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« on: January 15, 2018, 03:21:07 pm »
For those who follow a particular pantheon: How did you choose one?

For those who don't: how do you refer to your deities?

Right now I do not follow a particular pantheon, but I would like to have a more specific name for my deities than Goddess/Horned God. I"m also not Wiccan so Horned God doesn't really fit in general... I don't feel drawn to any particular pantheon and since my background is quite diverse (mostly German and Russian but with some Irish and just general European thrown in) I don't feel particularly called to any patheon.

Anyone have a suggestion?

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Re: Pantheons
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2018, 07:13:59 pm »
For those who follow a particular pantheon: How did you choose one?

I didn't. I was fascinated with all of them, but didn't feel a special connection to any of them; for me, pantheons are specific to a particular culture, and none of those cultures match mine as somebody living in a modern, pluralistic, Western society. So I had to find my own pantheon. (Click on the sigil in my signature below, if you're curious.)

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Anyone have a suggestion?

Developing your own pantheon is difficult and not for everyone. Many (most?) others don't have my hangups about cultural mismatch, so you may eventually be drawn to one of the ancient pantheons. Give it time.
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Re: Pantheons
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2018, 08:50:45 pm »
For those who don't: how do you refer to your deities?

By their names ;D.

If you're not drawn to any one pantheon as a whole, you might well be drawn to individual deities. Some folks advise (used to be quite a lot of folks, and in very strong terms, but from what I can tell this has eased off some) that one should limit oneself to the deities of a single pantheon - this isn't bad advice, but it's not necessarily good advice for everyone. And it's better advice for honoring deities (though still not necessarily useful for everyone) than it is for researching them - the only sound reason I can think of for limiting your research to a single pantheon is to organize your research in a way that it doesn't overwhelm you - even then, it'd be one pantheon at a time, and that's not the only possible way to organize research.

I'm very fond of Darkhawk's article On Eclecticism (pardon the odd symbols; it's an old - but still excellent - article, in one of the oldest parts of TC), as advice on how to come at it from a perspective that doesn't limit one to a single pantheon, without falling into many of the common pitfalls of unrestricted eclecticism.

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Re: Pantheons
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2018, 09:05:03 pm »
For those who follow a particular pantheon: How did you choose one?

For those who don't: how do you refer to your deities?

Right now I do not follow a particular pantheon, but I would like to have a more specific name for my deities than Goddess/Horned God. I"m also not Wiccan so Horned God doesn't really fit in general... I don't feel drawn to any particular pantheon and since my background is quite diverse (mostly German and Russian but with some Irish and just general European thrown in) I don't feel particularly called to any patheon.

Anyone have a suggestion?

I'd like to back up a bit and poke at a few underlying assumptions here.

First: the idea that background/heritage is even a relevant question.  I'm not going to say it's wholly irrelevant, but the propaganda about how one is "returning to the religion of my ancestors" is just that, propaganda, with more to do with a romanticised notion of how the past works than anything to do with reality.  (This is actually one of my peeves, so rather than get repetitive I'll link you so you can have a look at part of why it is a peeve.)

Next: you've already noted that Goddess/Horned God is inappropriate for what it is that you do.  I would add to that: "Goddess/Horned God" is not a pantheon.  It is a pairing.  (I can't speak to whether or not Wicca has what I'd file as a pantheon, of course, not being qualified to speak on the subject, but I would certainly not consider that it.)  Basically "all the gods" is not and cannot be "two gods"; the world is larger than can be encompassed in a mere twoness.

Val has compared dealing with a pantheon as being like dealing with an organized crime family.  If you're in with the family, you're in with the family, and you may spend most of your time with these couple of folks but if you really need a miracle just like the one fell off the back of a truck over there, well, you're in with the family.  And you can have relationships with individual members of the family - or more than one family - without being in with the family on any of them.  And pantheons, like crime families, are large, sprawling things, with cousins and specializations and people who solve problems in various different ways.

So, to poke at that a little more - are you looking to be in with the family somewhere, or are you cultivating individual relationships, or what?  (And of course there's a more complicated thing, where one might assemble what's referred to often as a "personal pantheon", which interacts as that kind of a family, even if it's ad hoc and modern, and even if it includes individuals who are established members of established families.)

If you want to be in with the family, well, the way it happened for me was that I happened to start reading about ethical principles and worldview and yelled at the divine in my immediate vicinity to demand to know if that was what They thought and I didn't get any useful answers and I said "Fuckit, I don't care if you're in here, I want to be in here because it makes sense".  And it worked out.  And it's gotten more complicated than that since then (in syncretic pantheon and personal-pantheon ways) but that's where it started: picking an ethos.

Established pantheons come with an ethos.  (Like Altair said, though not in so many words.)  They have a code, a way of doing things, a set of behaviours.  The Dodekatheoi are not the Netjeru are not the Tuatha de Danaan are not... Each of them will have different expectations, different modes of being, different assumptions about how people should behave in the world.  Different images they choose to present.  Some of those moral and aesthetic modes will work for you, and some will not.  That seems to me to be the appropriate mode for approaching a pantheon.  "I wish to relate to the world in the way that you wish to be related to, therefore...."

And, also like Altair said, it may be that one may not find that a historical pantheon has the right mode of being.
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Re: Pantheons
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2018, 10:57:28 pm »
For those who follow a particular pantheon: How did you choose one?

I cast a spell to summon one by getting a tattoo and writing devotional erotica. Granted, the "pantheon" of deities I received was not completely fully-formed and I've had to do some work piecing it together.
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« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2018, 11:28:13 pm »
For those who follow a particular pantheon: How did you choose one?

For those who don't: how do you refer to your deities?

Right now I do not follow a particular pantheon, but I would like to have a more specific name for my deities than Goddess/Horned God. I"m also not Wiccan so Horned God doesn't really fit in general... I don't feel drawn to any particular pantheon and since my background is quite diverse (mostly German and Russian but with some Irish and just general European thrown in) I don't feel particularly called to any patheon.

Anyone have a suggestion?

To expand on some of the points here:
  • I don't know yet what I call the Powers I worship. I don't know if I'd use the word "pantheon" for them as a whole, either. Rather, I'd say they're something between a pantheon and a Godhead: sometimes one and sometimes many, organized on certain specific themes and principles.
  • Honestly I usually call them a deityblort. It seems to fit best.
  • I've been experimenting with theomusai for a more formal word when I need it. But it hasn't settled yet.
  • The basis of this deityblort is roughly ancient Greek--sometimes late Minoan, sometimes Ptolemaic Egyptian. There's also a bunch of stuff thrown in on top that's complicatedly globalized-immigrant-British (and possibly also Parsi Zoroastrian, although I haven't really investigated that one yet).
  • I have absolutely no "ethnic background" in common with any of this. Literally zero, unless you go back a hell of a lot of generations. My own background is German and Scots-Irish on my father's side and Eastern European Jewish on my mother's.
  • Personally I'd suggest taking a step back from the concept of "pantheon." Instead of trying to fit your Powers into a preexisting box, try to communicate with them first to see if they'll tell you more about their background and cosmology. It sounds like you have a relationship of some kind with them already, so why not get to know them better as themselves?
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Re: Pantheons
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2018, 10:56:38 am »
For those who follow a particular pantheon: How did you choose one?

For those who don't: how do you refer to your deities?

Right now I do not follow a particular pantheon, but I would like to have a more specific name for my deities than Goddess/Horned God. I"m also not Wiccan so Horned God doesn't really fit in general... I don't feel drawn to any particular pantheon and since my background is quite diverse (mostly German and Russian but with some Irish and just general European thrown in) I don't feel particularly called to any patheon.

Anyone have a suggestion?

I consider my Gods to be Pantheon+  Meaning, that I identify as Norse fusion, so I work with the Norse pantheon, but I also work with other individual deities.  I do consider Norse to be my Pantheon, in the sense that I feel a connection to the entirety of the mythic figures, where as other deities I may only connect with a particular few.  Side note:  for other Pantheons, I do still acknowledge and may work with other deities in a one-off manner, but that is more of a very specialized case.

I came to work with the Norse Pantheon through my connection to Odin.  When I was first starting, I felt I needed a Patron male and female deity, and was searching.  When I read about Odin, I felt it, deep within.  Through reading and learning more about Odin, I learned about other Norse deities, and that connection grew.  It just felt right and felt like it fit me.

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Re: Pantheons
« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2018, 02:49:04 pm »
For those who don't: how do you refer to your deities?

I'm very much in the 'don't have a pantheon, and that's fine'.

My primary pair are almost certainly English (not Celtic, but I am not sure if Saxon is the right thing either. Labels are hard.)

I work periodically with deities from other cultures, mostly as work in the specific tradition I practice, which is drawn primarily from the Greek/Roman/Egyptian ones who historically had some overlap, but treating them within their cultural context but not in a purely pantheonistic one, if that makes sense.

(More like consulting with specialists who happen to have connections with a bunch of other people they share stuff with who do other things.)

I don't invite all of them to the same ritual (that'd get crowded!) but I don't necessarily divide up by culture of origin, any more than I would, y'know, decide who to invite to a party or social outing by that. I look at the actual individuals and relationships and what we're going to be doing to make those decisions, and that's worked out pretty well for me. 

(Culturally, for what it's worth, English on my father's side, and I think that is part of the deity relationship there, though it's not clear how. Eastern European and Eastern European Jewish on my mother's side. But my father was a specialist in ancient Greek theatre with a sideline in Roman stuff, so they've been very much part of my background from an early age, which definitely helps sometimes.)
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Re: Pantheons
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2018, 05:01:36 pm »
For those who follow a particular pantheon: How did you choose one?

For those who don't: how do you refer to your deities?

Right now I do not follow a particular pantheon, but I would like to have a more specific name for my deities than Goddess/Horned God. I"m also not Wiccan so Horned God doesn't really fit in general... I don't feel drawn to any particular pantheon and since my background is quite diverse (mostly German and Russian but with some Irish and just general European thrown in) I don't feel particularly called to any patheon.

Anyone have a suggestion?

If your looking for a pantheon of gods, perhaps you could look at the principles that pantheon exemplifies, to see if their values are compatible with yours. Each pantheon promotes a certain world-view, and has a different set of values and expectations for their followers. To discover this, you can study the pantheon's theology. Or, you can look at the culture that worships said pantheon to see how the religion is practised in the physical world. This is especially true if you are going to examine ancient societies. However, it can equally apply to modern religions, such as Wicca, which have their own cultures within their larger national cultures. This will inform you about the world-view these groups have, how they worshipped, and even some of their moral beliefs. If the information you find is enlightening, or appealing, then that's a good place to start. The thing is, you don't have to like any specific god to get into a pantheon, you just have to agree with the religious principles the pantheon exemplifies.

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Re: Pantheons
« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2018, 06:31:55 pm »
The basis of this deityblort is roughly ancient Greek--sometimes late Minoan, sometimes Ptolemaic Egyptian. There's also a bunch of stuff thrown in on top that's complicatedly globalized-immigrant-British... I have absolutely no "ethnic background" in common with any of this. Literally zero, unless you go back a hell of a lot of generations. My own background is German and Scots-Irish on my father's side and Eastern European Jewish on my mother's.

Amendment: this isn't entirely true.

Like I said, I'm Jewish on my mother's side, and that strongly informed my upbringing. Hellenic and especially Hellenistic Greece was a major influence on later Jewish culture, and my own path shows the results of that as well in complicated ways.

People's spirituality often does reflect their culture in some way, but not always simply by direct blood ties.
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« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2018, 09:54:15 pm »
People's spirituality often does reflect their culture in some way, but not always simply by direct blood ties.

Agreed. My pantheon reflects the values of today's Western societies, but buried underneath the culture of the West (though often not recognized) is Greco-Roman myth; so that is definitely an influence on my mythos. In fact, many of the names of my deities are derived from Latin or Greek.
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Re: Pantheons
« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2018, 04:51:56 pm »
For those who follow a particular pantheon: How did you choose one?

For those who don't: how do you refer to your deities?

Right now I do not follow a particular pantheon, but I would like to have a more specific name for my deities than Goddess/Horned God. I"m also not Wiccan so Horned God doesn't really fit in general... I don't feel drawn to any particular pantheon and since my background is quite diverse (mostly German and Russian but with some Irish and just general European thrown in) I don't feel particularly called to any patheon.

Anyone have a suggestion?

I am so glad you asked that question. It is one I have been wondering about myself. Reading the replies of others has been interesting.

For me, I never wanted to worship/work with gods, goddesses, or pantheons. I have always loved reading about them, but I have maintained my distance as none have ever really spoken to me. That changed when I was contacted by the Green Man. I just refer to him as the Green Man.

I also have a connection to the world tree, Yggdrasil. I'm not quite sure what that falls under.

As for any suggestions...maybe just wait and see what happens? I wish I had a better suggestion.

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Re: Pantheons
« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2018, 07:33:47 pm »
For those who follow a particular pantheon: How did you choose one?

Trial and error? Research? I basically A) Decided I wanted to be religious and B) Decided I wanted to follow an established faith tradition (rather than creating my own).

I looked at various religious organizations, I read articles about different religions and their rituals, theology, and practices, and generally studied up on various world religions. Then, I began to actually try them out, and see if they felt "right" to me. I would spend a month or so working with a religion and see how it went.

I tried Islam, with which (as I suspected)I had the same major incompatibilities as Christianity. I then tried Shintoism, which was quite rewarding but also felt somewhat appropriate, being an ethnic religion. I was Sikh for a while, but it was to monotheistic for my taste. After that, I briefly dabbled in Hellenism and Celtic Neo-Paganism, but being reconstructed, they lacked the continuity of practice I wanted.

I finally decided to give Hinduism a try. I just grabbed a few mantras and started working with Kali, and from there expanded into other Gods and Goddesses, eventually committing myself to a specific school.

The name I use for my Gods, when I refer to them collectively, as a pantheon, is the "Devas," which is the name of the race of beings which the Hindu Gods and Demigods belong. If I am talking about a specific group of gods, such as the Mahavidyas, the Avatars of Vishnu, or the Trimurti, I just use those terms. If I am talking about God as a singular, universal concept, I use the term "Godhead".
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Re: Pantheons
« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2018, 08:00:09 pm »
For those who follow a particular pantheon: How did you choose one?
I look towards more than one pantheon, but my main focus is on the Roman gods. I've always had an especial interest in Classical studies, history, and mythology. It was just kind of a natural outgrowth of that, that I chose to worship Greek and Roman gods, though it took a while to get there. I originally was a Wiccan, though my chosen gods were Gallo-Roman and Graeco-Roman. I moved from there into a more focused aim at the Greek gods, and while Hellenismos was generally was a better fit for me, I had some cognitive dissonance throughout. I transitioned into being primarily Roman in my particulars because Religio Romana tends to deliberately make space for syncretism and private cult to non-Roman gods, while Hellenism tends not to. In worshiping the plethora of Roman gods, and practicing a broadly Roman reconstructionism, I feel spiritually and religiously at home.
Through that, I feel comfortable venerating other gods. I don't worship the Celtic or Germanic or Greek pantheons in their fullness; I do not describe myself as Heathen, CR, or Hellenic. That would take a certain focus that I don't think I can give. But through the lens of Roman syncretism, and the Roman emphasis on ancestor worship, I can justify venerating certain specific Celtic and Germanic and Greek gods. Certain gods that I feel a connection do due to previous experience (Cernunnos, Dionysos, Pan, Hekate, Demeter), and gods that I feel drawn to because of my interest in and focus on my ancestors from the British Isles (Brigid-Brigantia, Lugh-Lugus, Taranis, Epona, Woden, Matres and Matronae).

Or, as my profile description says, I consider my religion to be a kind of Hellenized Romano-British reconstruction. And as a consequence, the gods I worship are pretty varied--though largely framed around the Roman pantheon.
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Re: Pantheons
« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2018, 10:35:13 am »
For those who follow a particular pantheon: How did you choose one?

Mine came as a package deal.  :P  However, I do have other deities I revere... Thor (almost full-on worship like Hindu deities); Chenrezig aka Guan yin; Green Tara; Guan yu, Chinese  god of protection (this is not Guan yin); Xuan wu, also from Taoism. 

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