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Author Topic: General/Non-Specific: Non Religious Aspects Of Paganism?  (Read 208 times)

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Non Religious Aspects Of Paganism?
« on: March 13, 2019, 10:52:58 pm »
I am wondering about Cultural Reconstruction and whether or not it must exclusively be about religion. For example, ancient cultures might be about Craft, Art, Music, Literature/Stories, Martial Art, Food, Drink, Farming, Hunting. I am sure that Religion intersected with these things, but an ancient culture was not just exclusively about Religion, but also had other practices and paths.

My personal focus is largely Celtic. It is certain that not everyone could be a Druid, or would want to be. In these old cultures, there were Warriors, Chieftains, Craftspeople, Hunters, Farmers, Traders, etc. Religion would be a part of their lives, of course, but not the only aspect. Not everyone would have been a Priest, Wise Woman, or Healer.

So, I wonder if various Recon Practices are not just exclusively about reconstructing ancient religions, but also perhaps other ancient folkways as a way of living closer to the Earth and our Ancestors. Maybe practicing other reconstructed aspects of ancient cultures would bring us closer to our religion by embracing other folkways that are not exclusively religious.

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Re: Non Religious Aspects Of Paganism?
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2019, 08:56:41 am »
I am wondering about Cultural Reconstruction and whether or not it must exclusively be about religion. For example, ancient cultures might be about Craft, Art, Music, Literature/Stories, Martial Art, Food, Drink, Farming, Hunting. I am sure that Religion intersected with these things, but an ancient culture was not just exclusively about Religion, but also had other practices and paths.

My personal focus is largely Celtic. It is certain that not everyone could be a Druid, or would want to be. In these old cultures, there were Warriors, Chieftains, Craftspeople, Hunters, Farmers, Traders, etc. Religion would be a part of their lives, of course, but not the only aspect. Not everyone would have been a Priest, Wise Woman, or Healer.

This is definitely part of the draw for me. I understand that the tribal way of life cannot be recreated, but I still draw inspiration from the communal and family-oriented lifestyle of ancient tribes and clans. I also enjoy learning new things. For awhile, before I had a son, I was really involved in mead-making.
As for being an amateur folklorist/ anthropologist I would do that for fun even without religion.

While we’re on the subject of vocations, I believe in the three functions of Indo-European society. (As propose by Dumezil) Traditionally it was farmers, warriors, priests. I think you still kind of have producers, glory seekers, and intelligentsia.

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Re: Non Religious Aspects Of Paganism?
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2019, 10:24:40 am »
I am wondering about Cultural Reconstruction and whether or not it must exclusively be about religion. For example, ancient cultures might be about Craft, Art, Music, Literature/Stories, Martial Art, Food, Drink, Farming, Hunting. I am sure that Religion intersected with these things, but an ancient culture was not just exclusively about Religion, but also had other practices and paths.

My personal focus is largely Celtic. It is certain that not everyone could be a Druid, or would want to be. In these old cultures, there were Warriors, Chieftains, Craftspeople, Hunters, Farmers, Traders, etc. Religion would be a part of their lives, of course, but not the only aspect. Not everyone would have been a Priest, Wise Woman, or Healer.

So, I wonder if various Recon Practices are not just exclusively about reconstructing ancient religions, but also perhaps other ancient folkways as a way of living closer to the Earth and our Ancestors. Maybe practicing other reconstructed aspects of ancient cultures would bring us closer to our religion by embracing other folkways that are not exclusively religious.
The ancient Greeks were all about religion. Religion is a lifestyle, we can't do without.  :) In my opinion, us pagans should become more active in modern society to reunite religion and lifestyle.

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Re: Non Religious Aspects Of Paganism?
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2019, 02:06:27 pm »
This is definitely part of the draw for me. I understand that the tribal way of life cannot be recreated, but I still draw inspiration from the communal and family-oriented lifestyle of ancient tribes and clans. I also enjoy learning new things. For awhile, before I had a son, I was really involved in mead-making.
As for being an amateur folklorist/ anthropologist I would do that for fun even without religion.

While we’re on the subject of vocations, I believe in the three functions of Indo-European society. (As propose by Dumezil) Traditionally it was farmers, warriors, priests. I think you still kind of have producers, glory seekers, and intelligentsia.

Yeah, mead-making sounds good. I am not very crafty myself. Nor am I a big nature person. I respect and honor nature as part of my spirituality, I just don't camp or hunt. I am a city man. I have had a long association with Athena due to this. I love libraries, museums, restaurants, concert halls, etc.

I am looking a bit at Hellenism as a way of honoring "The City" or "The Polis". My lifestyle might be considered "a Celt in the City." I like to imagine that some Celtic Folks came down from the north to the Hellenic world. I identify with that. Sort of a more nature based person in the City. I think there is a book called "City Magick" that might relate to urban paganism. Maybe others.

Amateur folklorist/anthropologist sounds good as well. We live in a modern world, but there is something sustaining about connecting with the echoes of our ancestors and relating ourselves to ancient cultures. Old and new combined, religion and also other folkways integrated into our lives.

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Re: Non Religious Aspects Of Paganism?
« Reply #4 on: Yesterday at 08:35:58 am »
I am looking a bit at Hellenism as a way of honoring "The City" or "The Polis". My lifestyle might be considered "a Celt in the City." I like to imagine that some Celtic Folks came down from the north to the Hellenic world. I identify with that. Sort of a more nature based person in the City. I think there is a book called "City Magick" that might relate to urban paganism. Maybe others.
The Book you're referring to is Christopher Penzcak's City Magick: Spells, Rituals, and Symbols for the Urban Witch (ISBN13: 978-1578632060). I haven't read it yet, however, from friends who have, and who live in cities, they appreciate the resource. Then again, I'd presume it's geared more towards the Wicca framework, given that Penzcak was trained in... Gardnerian Wicca if I recall correctly.
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Re: Non Religious Aspects Of Paganism?
« Reply #5 on: Yesterday at 09:01:59 am »
My personal focus is largely Celtic. It is certain that not everyone could be a Druid, or would want to be. In these old cultures, there were Warriors, Chieftains, Craftspeople, Hunters, Farmers, Traders, etc. Religion would be a part of their lives, of course, but not the only aspect. Not everyone would have been a Priest, Wise Woman, or Healer.

So, I wonder if various Recon Practices are not just exclusively about reconstructing ancient religions, but also perhaps other ancient folkways as a way of living closer to the Earth and our Ancestors. Maybe practicing other reconstructed aspects of ancient cultures would bring us closer to our religion by embracing other folkways that are not exclusively religious.
This has been an uphill battle for me with being a Hellenic Pagan (which I have been told to work on by my Powers): how to incorporate these practices into my daily life motions, seeing as I am a science teacher in NYC. With my schedule, it's difficult to do the daily devotions, because it's too much for me (as of now) to wake up and devote 15, 20 minutes of time to do the morning devotions (though, as I typed that sentence, I really had to think if it is - something to ponder for a bit). In addition, as someone who was surrounded by nature as I grew up, being in the city really limits where I can go for those nature experiences and to be closer to it and the Gods. I'll have to reexamine that in the coming days.

I think it was @RandallS who started a thread in the old forums that there is a Recon/Neopagan spectrum: there's the hardcore Reconstructionists on one end, the Neopagans on the other, and then the ones who fuse the two in the middle. I'm not necessarily Recon, but I'm not necessarily Neopagan - to use his words, I'd probably be left of ReconLite.
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Re: Non Religious Aspects Of Paganism?
« Reply #6 on: Yesterday at 03:25:44 pm »
The Book you're referring to is Christopher Penzcak's City Magick: Spells, Rituals, and Symbols for the Urban Witch (ISBN13: 978-1578632060). I haven't read it yet, however, from friends who have, and who live in cities, they appreciate the resource. Then again, I'd presume it's geared more towards the Wicca framework, given that Penzcak was trained in... Gardnerian Wicca if I recall correctly.

Thank you for adding the full cite - that makes things much easier for people to follow up on. (It's also fine, if you want to, to include a link to Amazon or another bookseller that has an online presence/shop, but not required; I mention this just in case you were concerned that you shouldn't.)

Penczak's training was Cabotian (i.e, by Laurie Cabot), which isn't Gardnerian or any other sort of BTW, but a different current of neoPagan religious Witchcraft. It is, though, a longstanding distinct current, dating back to a time when such things were almost always somewhat Wiccish. (Other examples: Feri, the Cochranite trads, NECTW, and several others.)

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