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Merry Meet and Blessed Be
« on: July 11, 2011, 09:43:06 pm »
ok, I didn't know where to post this, but, since I haven't done this, I guess I'm a beginner.
I while back while I was working a customer just said to me "Blessed Be", and I thought, 'that sounds so strange in public', Like it doesn't fit with these times...
I feel that Merry Meet and Blessed Be, they feel kind of like a inner circles code-words or made-up lingo...
I know it's more like 'hey how are you!' and 'be safe' or 'go with love' or something like that...
any thoughts about this?
Oh, one last thought, there's a song called 'Blessed Be' that I love, and it seems to give me a little more clarity on the words Blessed be, but still they sound weird in public...

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Re: Merry Meet and Blessed Be
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2011, 10:07:35 pm »
Quote from: OtakuJolyn;4080
ok, I didn't know where to post this, but, since I haven't done this, I guess I'm a beginner.
I while back while I was working a customer just said to me "Blessed Be", and I thought, 'that sounds so strange in public', Like it doesn't fit with these times...
I feel that Merry Meet and Blessed Be, they feel kind of like a inner circles code-words or made-up lingo...
I know it's more like 'hey how are you!' and 'be safe' or 'go with love' or something like that...
any thoughts about this?
Oh, one last thought, there's a song called 'Blessed Be' that I love, and it seems to give me a little more clarity on the words Blessed be, but still they sound weird in public...

 
I always thought that "Merry Meet" and "Blessed Be" sounded a little bit silly.  I know that they are probably used in ritual somewhere, but when they are used in casual conversation they kind of make the person saying them sound ridiculous.

And it doesn't help that half of the threads on an intro board and any given pagan forum probably have "Merry Meet" either in the title or in the body of the intro post.

(who was it who said on the old board something to the effect of "say 'Merry Meet' and I'll turn you into Merry Meat?")


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Re: Merry Meet and Blessed Be
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2011, 10:56:09 pm »
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any thoughts about this?


My take is that it's a piece of ritual language that is not a good fit for general public use. My basic rule of thumb is that I use it only with people I'm willing and interested in being in shared ritual space with - which is not most people. And not even most Pagan people. (Plus, it being a Wiccan-derived phrase, I consider it sort of rude to use on Pagans from other paths unless we're all using the relevant phrase from our own paths.)  

The merry meet part comes from a common piece used by a variety of Wiccan-based paths and groups at the end of ritual, which goes:

"Merry meet, and merry part, and merry meet again."

Which is to say, that we came together in good faith and harmony, we are parting the same way, and we hope to come together in good faith and harmony sometime in the future. That's like saying "Come over sometime" to a friend. It's not like saying "I have a spare couch" to a random stranger in the supermarket.

Blessed be is a little less formally ritual in origin (in that it's not coming from a larger text with a specific intention), but it's still a ritual phrase.

Again, I only use it in settings where I'd actually do ritual with people or we're at least talking about the idea. (I will sometimes sign an email from a prospective student or a seeker in my local community with "Bright blessings" if they started with "Blessed be", for example, but I won't put it in if they don't start it.)

The one that absolutely irks me to pieces are the people who post a very aggrieved post where they tear into all and sundry for some not-so-logical reason (usually for not agreeing they're right...) and then finish it with "Blessed be" or "Merry Meet Again" or something that implies that people might *want* their blessings or company.

Which .. well, not so much, no. I'll be over here, doing other things, thanks.
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Re: Merry Meet and Blessed Be
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2011, 11:47:12 pm »
Quote from: OtakuJolyn;4080
ok, I didn't know where to post this, but, since I haven't done this, I guess I'm a beginner.
I while back while I was working a customer just said to me "Blessed Be", and I thought, 'that sounds so strange in public', Like it doesn't fit with these times...
I feel that Merry Meet and Blessed Be, they feel kind of like a inner circles code-words or made-up lingo...
I know it's more like 'hey how are you!' and 'be safe' or 'go with love' or something like that...
any thoughts about this?

 
I think it's kind of like the Christian saying "God bless."  Sounds perfectly fitting if you're at church, but sounds more bizarre if you're in the grocery store.  Granted, I've never been to any public Pagan events, but I imagine it'd be similar.  If someone were to greet me with "Merry Meet," or part with "Blessed be," and we're in a very mundane place, it would seem weird, but I'd expect it to feel less weird if we were at some Pagan-centric place or event.

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Re: Merry Meet and Blessed Be
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2011, 12:06:21 am »
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I think it's kind of like the Christian saying "God bless."  Sounds perfectly fitting if you're at church, but sounds more bizarre if you're in the grocery store.  Granted, I've never been to any public Pagan events, but I imagine it'd be similar.  If someone were to greet me with "Merry Meet," or part with "Blessed be," and we're in a very mundane place, it would seem weird, but I'd expect it to feel less weird if we were at some Pagan-centric place or event.

 
I agree with Jenett and Katefox. I don't find a religiously based greeting or farewell appropriate with persons that do not share that religion, whether its  God Bless, Go with God, I'll pray for you (THAT is a whole insult wrapped in fluffy good intentions when applied wrongly) or Merry Meet, Blessed Be etc. It feels like its tarnishing important phrases via mundane use and worse borders on the offensive by presuming a person's interests and paths and therefore skirts violating hospitality.

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Re: Merry Meet and Blessed Be
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2011, 12:53:54 am »
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ok, I didn't know where to post this, but, since I haven't done this, I guess I'm a beginner.
I while back while I was working a customer just said to me "Blessed Be", and I thought, 'that sounds so strange in public', Like it doesn't fit with these times...
I feel that Merry Meet and Blessed Be, they feel kind of like a inner circles code-words or made-up lingo...
I know it's more like 'hey how are you!' and 'be safe' or 'go with love' or something like that...
any thoughts about this?
Oh, one last thought, there's a song called 'Blessed Be' that I love, and it seems to give me a little more clarity on the words Blessed be, but still they sound weird in public...


Well, I kind of have mixed thoughts about it. I don't use these phrases myself, for many of the reasons mentioned already. However, I'm not particularly bothered by them.

Personally, I don't see it as making assumptions about my path so much as sharing what their path is and letting me know that they trust me to respect it. When I respond, I'm acknowledging their path.

It's no different when I meet a Thelemite and they give me the Law. I respond accordingly because I'm acknowledging their path. I'm telling them that I have, at least some understanding of their traditions.

I don't know, it all sounds really corny when you hear it, but I do think phrases like these are used in a welcoming way most of the time. So I try not to let it get under my skin, while choosing not to use them myself.

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Re: Merry Meet and Blessed Be
« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2011, 04:23:51 am »
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I feel that Merry Meet and Blessed Be, they feel kind of like a inner circles code-words or made-up lingo...


This. They are ritual phrases that don't belong in mundane situations. I understand the need for fellowship, but it can be taken too far. (Not to mention that, as a solitary, I never say them in ritual either.)

My grandma says 'God bless' when we retire for the night, and it's always felt appropriate to me. If one would say 'Goddess bless' when taking their leave, like in your case, that would have been fine with me.
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Re: Merry Meet and Blessed Be
« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2011, 11:17:09 am »
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That's like saying "Come over sometime" to a friend. It's not like saying "I have a spare couch" to a random stranger in the supermarket.


This made me laugh ;)

I've always felt very uncomfortable with people using "Blessed Be" and "Merry Meet" all the time, like at the end of every single forum post. To me, it doesn't say that they are a pagan, but that they think paganism is the new fad, and want everyone to think they're pagan because it's "cool". Basically, that they're doing it for the attention, rather than doing it because they actually have some meaning associated with the words, and they're just a massive fluff-ball.

But then, I spent my formative years of the internet on a forum which tore into people for any hint of fluff, so my fluff-o-meter is possibly a bit OTT :o Plus, I have a sore spot with people thinking things are "cool" and thus dragging down the social image of everyone else ("bar-sexuals" being the main one).
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Re: Merry Meet and Blessed Be
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2011, 12:15:22 pm »
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I think it's kind of like the Christian saying "God bless."  Sounds perfectly fitting if you're at church, but sounds more bizarre if you're in the grocery store.  Granted, I've never been to any public Pagan events, but I imagine it'd be similar.  If someone were to greet me with "Merry Meet," or part with "Blessed be," and we're in a very mundane place, it would seem weird, but I'd expect it to feel less weird if we were at some Pagan-centric place or event.

 
I don't see a problem with any of the phrases. If someone says to me, "God bless", I take it as meaning they want me to be held favorably in the eyes of the divine, which is a friendly sentiment, and much more welcome than, "go to Hell". I understand "Blessed Be" to be similar in sentiment as "God Bless" and I don't see why they should be restricted to religious meetings. Perhaps that is because I don't make a distinction between 'sacred time' and 'mundane time'.

I don't use either phrase myself, but I don't get upset when other people say them to me.

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Re: Merry Meet and Blessed Be
« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2011, 09:53:04 pm »
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(who was it who said on the old board something to the effect of "say 'Merry Meet' and I'll turn you into Merry Meat?")


Mel, that one was mine. :D
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« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2011, 09:55:11 pm »
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Mel, that one was mine. :D

 
Ah, thanks:D:


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Re: Merry Meet and Blessed Be
« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2011, 10:27:12 pm »
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I think it's kind of like the Christian saying "God bless."  Sounds perfectly fitting if you're at church, but sounds more bizarre if you're in the grocery store.  Granted, I've never been to any public Pagan events, but I imagine it'd be similar.  If someone were to greet me with "Merry Meet," or part with "Blessed be," and we're in a very mundane place, it would seem weird, but I'd expect it to feel less weird if we were at some Pagan-centric place or event.

 
I think it sounds strange regardless of where I am. Of course, I'm sure people think it's strange when I greet people with, "Ahoy, matey!" And I sometime throw in an, "ARRR!" But if someone said "Merry meet," or "Blessed be," to me, I'd probably just give them a confused look and wonder why they're talking that way. It just sounds awkward to me.

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Re: Merry Meet and Blessed Be
« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2013, 09:33:50 am »
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ok, I didn't know where to post this, but, since I haven't done this, I guess I'm a beginner.
I while back while I was working a customer just said to me "Blessed Be", and I thought, 'that sounds so strange in public', Like it doesn't fit with these times...
I feel that Merry Meet and Blessed Be, they feel kind of like a inner circles code-words or made-up lingo...
I know it's more like 'hey how are you!' and 'be safe' or 'go with love' or something like that...
any thoughts about this?
Oh, one last thought, there's a song called 'Blessed Be' that I love, and it seems to give me a little more clarity on the words Blessed be, but still they sound weird in public...

Ok first I do Not Always Know who is Pagan in a Semi Social group and Who is Not, One of the Ways I Might Find out is using the Blessed Be or Merry Meet, Not all who wear pentacles(or other Pagan Jewelry  )  are Wiccan, witches , etc. so That being Said. It Is a Greeting to Identify You To Others ( Possibly of like minds) who May or May Not understand them as a Greeting. Myself Being a Large "Bubba,Long Haired, Biker, Redneck, Texan" many would never Know that I am Pagan, Wiccan, Etc. If I did Not occasionally use such greetings as Blessed Be and Merry Meet, so While I may Seem strange or weird or Uncomfortable it has it's uses, In Part it allows other to Identify  your belief or faith and vice a versa. I personally do not wear any jewelry, or any clothing Items that Might signal to anyone what my beliefs or faith are, so the greetings are my opening to find people of similar belief or faith or not. Some of these have been used for ages, When Wicca and Witchcraft were Unlawful in Many Counties to find others, Kind of like a code of acknowledgement. Hopefully this may help some Understand why they are sometimes used still.
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« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2013, 03:56:34 pm »
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Some of these have been used for ages, When Wicca and Witchcraft were Unlawful in Many Counties to find others, Kind of like a code of acknowledgement. Hopefully this may help some Understand why they are sometimes used still.    [/FONT]

In what countries do people use "blessed be" to identify fellow witches where witchcraft is illegal?
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Re: Merry Meet and Blessed Be
« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2013, 05:14:22 pm »
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In what countries do people use "blessed be" to identify fellow witches where witchcraft is illegal?

None that I'm aware of.
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