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Lots of questions(Once again).
« on: June 16, 2016, 01:22:58 am »
Ave, after mainly lazy days and finely deciding to start this thread with lots of questions. First off, I guess I never mentioned I came from a Muslim family( with the exception of my moms parents, and know I'm pagan and are ok with it). And its the Muslim month of Ramadan, which in a nut shell is fasting, and I was wondering, since i dont believe in Islam anymore, can I dedicate my fast to Epona, and to Woden/Odin. Secondly, I want to do this because the gods/goddess have answered my prayers(most connection i got with any god), and feel extremely guilty that I cant make an offering or honor them with out my parents finding out I'm not Muslim.Thirdly I seem to have gotten my connection to a celtic goddess(as i mentioned above), but my second I seem conflicted between Woden and Odin, I know there kinda of the same, but ones Norse and I just don't know who to honor. Sorry for bad grammar its kinda of late here.
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Re: Lots of questions(Once again).
« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2016, 07:54:15 am »
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And its the Muslim month of Ramadan, which in a nut shell is fasting, and I was wondering, since i dont believe in Islam anymore, can I dedicate my fast to Epona, and to Woden/Odin. Secondly, I want to do this because the gods/goddess have answered my prayers(most connection i got with any god), and feel extremely guilty that I cant make an offering or honor them with out my parents finding out I'm not Muslim.


Had it been Demeter/Ceres, Isis/Aset or Tammuz I had unreservedly said: Yes, of course! Do it! Fasting was a practice associated with honouring these three deities in the past, at least in the Roman Imperial Age. In the case of Epona and O∂in I have no idea.

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(...) but my second I seem conflicted between Woden and Odin, I know there kinda of the same, but ones Norse and I just don't know who to honor.


That is an eternal intra-pagan debate, that probably never will find any universally accepted answer. Some pagans keep O∂in, Wodan, Wotan, Woden and Wodanaz apart from each other as separate gods, other pagans accept their common historical root, and view the regional names as just names of one and the same deity. He is called 'Oden' in modern Swedish.

I am fond of philosophical speculation, and open to the idea that the regional names may be some sort of avatars of the deity they evolved from, but, in some way or another, I tend in the direction of stressing unity and sameness. Otherwise every pagan with a speech impediment create new gods and goddesses all the time.

I have also observed, that Italians and Germans (and, to a lesser extent, Scandinavians, as well) are better at pronouncing Latin deity names than English-speakers usually are. Nor are English-speakers in general good at pronouncing Zeus. Does that cause pagans of different nativae languages to generate new and other gods, when they pronounce deities from other languages differently? Personally, I don't think so.

Modern Greeks have changed the pronounciation of their indigenous deity names by time: Most diphthongs in the Greek language are pronounced like 'i' (English 'ee') in modern Greek, while linguists asser that they must have been pronounced as diphthongs at the time of the redaction of the Homeric epics and the time of Plato. Does that cause modern Greek pagans to worship other deities than they think they do?

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Sorry for bad grammar its kinda of late here.


I wish your (and other readers') forbearance of any errors pertaining to grammar, syntax and vocabulary I commit myself, since English is not my first language. The right choice of conjunctionas and prepositions are especially tricky.

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Re: Lots of questions(Once again).
« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2016, 04:30:03 pm »
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Had it been Demeter/Ceres, Isis/Aset or Tammuz I had unreservedly said: Yes, of course! Do it! Fasting was a practice associated with honouring these three deities in the past, at least in the Roman Imperial Age. In the case of Epona and O∂in I have no idea.



That is an eternal intra-pagan debate, that probably never will find any universally accepted answer. Some pagans keep O∂in, Wodan, Wotan, Woden and Wodanaz apart from each other as separate gods, other pagans accept their common historical root, and view the regional names as just names of one and the same deity. He is called 'Oden' in modern Swedish.

I am fond of philosophical speculation, and open to the idea that the regional names may be some sort of avatars of the deity they evolved from, but, in some way or another, I tend in the direction of stressing unity and sameness. Otherwise every pagan with a speech impediment create new gods and goddesses all the time.

I have also observed, that Italians and Germans (and, to a lesser extent, Scandinavians, as well) are better at pronouncing Latin deity names than English-speakers usually are. Nor are English-speakers in general good at pronouncing Zeus. Does that cause pagans of different nativae languages to generate new and other gods, when they pronounce deities from other languages differently? Personally, I don't think so.

Modern Greeks have changed the pronounciation of their indigenous deity names by time: Most diphthongs in the Greek language are pronounced like 'i' (English 'ee') in modern Greek, while linguists asser that they must have been pronounced as diphthongs at the time of the redaction of the Homeric epics and the time of Plato. Does that cause modern Greek pagans to worship other deities than they think they do?



I wish your (and other readers') forbearance of any errors pertaining to grammar, syntax and vocabulary I commit myself, since English is not my first language. The right choice of conjunctionas and prepositions are especially tricky.

 
Thank you very much for the info on Woden/Woten/Odin

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Re: Lots of questions(Once again).
« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2016, 05:32:16 pm »
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Thank you very much for the info on Woden/Woten/Odin


It wasn't much of actual information about him, more of a description of how the debate goes about deities evolved out of each other or from a common source.

M.L. West wrote in his book about the Indo-Europeans, that it is very likely, that O∂in, Apollo, Lugh and Shiva all are evolved out of a common Proto-Indo-European deity.

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Re: Lots of questions(Once again).
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2016, 05:23:28 pm »
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Ave, after mainly lazy days and finely deciding to start this thread with lots of questions. First off, I guess I never mentioned I came from a Muslim family( with the exception of my moms parents, and know I'm pagan and are ok with it). And its the Muslim month of Ramadan, which in a nut shell is fasting, and I was wondering, since i dont believe in Islam anymore, can I dedicate my fast to Epona, and to Woden/Odin. Secondly, I want to do this because the gods/goddess have answered my prayers(most connection i got with any god), and feel extremely guilty that I cant make an offering or honor them with out my parents finding out I'm not Muslim.Thirdly I seem to have gotten my connection to a celtic goddess(as i mentioned above), but my second I seem conflicted between Woden and Odin, I know there kinda of the same, but ones Norse and I just don't know who to honor. Sorry for bad grammar its kinda of late here.
Best Wishes,
A Mongolian Cow

 
I can't say much about Epona but in case of Odin you can always dedicate your fasting to him as well. After all, he was the first one to learn the runes while being pinned to the world tree Yggdrasil for nine days and nights. At that time he neither ate nor drank anything.

As for other offerings those might be a bit difficult. Muslims and alcohol don't always go well together.

Odin is said to only drink mead (ale/beer depending on the translation) while the wolves Geri and Freki eat everything else. Spring water and herbal tea seem to be appeasing to him as well but feel free to try different things.

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