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Author Topic: Here is what I know so far:  (Read 663 times)

Cearbhal

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Here is what I know so far:
« on: July 12, 2013, 10:53:36 pm »
My god is a hungry god. Judging by the dreams of antlers plus the sudden notice of a whole lot of Bacchanalia in my life, this is someone with hooves. This works for me. I like the guy, so far. I am almost loathe to speak names, lest I call attention to myself here, but there are several: Bacchus, Pan, & Dionysus are the ones that immediately come to mind, though I cannot help but feel that he is older than that. Is that weird/wrong? Aaa!

There is also the thylacine, but that may just be my favorite animal and nothing more. I am very new to this whole spirituality thing-- I was raised Southern Baptist but it never really took. I never went into the river and I am perfectly fine with that. But lately I am itching for something, and I have these two showing up all over the place. What do I do with this? With them, and more immediately with him? I will move again soon and maybe there I can arrange an altar but does a wild one like that even want an altar? If not, what do I do?? I am adrift, clearly, and would appreciate advice on how to get in touch with this side of life while realizing that my relationship with this guy as a trans dude is probably gonna be pretty different from the cis-dudes who seem to be the majority party for him in this area.
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Re: Here is what I know so far:
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2013, 04:01:02 pm »
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My god is a hungry god...


In my opinion, gods who are picky about the anatomy of followers are douchebags. If you wouldn't waste your time with a human who doesn't like your body, don't let a god do that either.

Now, about whether a wild god would like an altar...debatable. The deities you mentioned all had altars erected to them historically, but that did not mean offerings could only be made at altars. Big rocks, trees, springs, rivers, lakes, spots struck by lightning were also acceptable places for offerings. If you're getting the impression that the god is really wild, I would suggest starting with a natural feature of the landscape, make contact, and go from there.

And ask the god who he is, too, while engaging in a ritual is also a good idea. Whether a new god or an old one, knowing who he is can help you to relate to him in a more appropriate manner. The thylacine could be like a fetch or something, so getting in touch with such a creature, if that's what it is, is also a good idea, so that you can sort it out.

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Re: Here is what I know so far:
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2013, 07:10:06 pm »
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My god is a hungry god. Judging by the dreams of antlers plus the sudden notice of a whole lot of Bacchanalia in my life, this is someone with hooves. This works for me. I like the guy, so far. I am almost loathe to speak names, lest I call attention to myself here, but there are several: Bacchus, Pan, & Dionysus are the ones that immediately come to mind, though I cannot help but feel that he is older than that. Is that weird/wrong? Aaa!

There is also the thylacine, but that may just be my favorite animal and nothing more. I am very new to this whole spirituality thing-- I was raised Southern Baptist but it never really took. I never went into the river and I am perfectly fine with that. But lately I am itching for something, and I have these two showing up all over the place. What do I do with this? With them, and more immediately with him? I will move again soon and maybe there I can arrange an altar but does a wild one like that even want an altar? If not, what do I do?? I am adrift, clearly, and would appreciate advice on how to get in touch with this side of life while realizing that my relationship with this guy as a trans dude is probably gonna be pretty different from the cis-dudes who seem to be the majority party for him in this area.

 
Whoever or whatever is contacting you doesn't seem to mind that you are a trans-male, or else they wouldn't be throwing these images and/or feelings your way. I would take the time to cast a circle and ask who or what this deity/being is and see what kind of answer you get. If that doesn't work, then take a walk in a park or another natural setting and meditate on the feelings or images that you're experiencing and see what you get from that. It's not bad to want something more concrete before you set up and actual altar. Also, don't worry about the altar right away, get moved into your new place and take this slowly. Good luck.

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« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2013, 09:12:26 pm »
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In my opinion, gods who are picky about the anatomy of followers are douchebags. If you wouldn't waste your time with a human who doesn't like your body, don't let a god do that either.

Now, about whether a wild god would like an altar...debatable. The deities you mentioned all had altars erected to them historically, but that did not mean offerings could only be made at altars. Big rocks, trees, springs, rivers, lakes, spots struck by lightning were also acceptable places for offerings. If you're getting the impression that the god is really wild, I would suggest starting with a natural feature of the landscape, make contact, and go from there.

And ask the god who he is, too, while engaging in a ritual is also a good idea. Whether a new god or an old one, knowing who he is can help you to relate to him in a more appropriate manner. The thylacine could be like a fetch or something, so getting in touch with such a creature, if that's what it is, is also a good idea, so that you can sort it out.

I don't think it's about anatomy so much as really enjoying food. And booze. And the pleasures of the flesh, so to speak. That was badly worded on my part, sorry.

My questions: how do I make contact, for one, and for two, what is a Fetch? Also, does it matter that there aren't any thylacines around anymore? I can't really go to the zoo and see one.

Thank you for responding!
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Re: Here is what I know so far:
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2013, 09:14:45 pm »
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Whoever or whatever is contacting you doesn't seem to mind that you are a trans-male, or else they wouldn't be throwing these images and/or feelings your way. I would take the time to cast a circle and ask who or what this deity/being is and see what kind of answer you get. If that doesn't work, then take a walk in a park or another natural setting and meditate on the feelings or images that you're experiencing and see what you get from that. It's not bad to want something more concrete before you set up and actual altar. Also, don't worry about the altar right away, get moved into your new place and take this slowly. Good luck.

 
It's not the god I'm worried about, it's the other people involved in it. I'm worried that if I pursue this path I will meet mostly a kind of person I can't connect with very well. If that makes sense. I suppose that's counting my chickens before they hatch, now that I think about it.

What do you mean by cast a circle?

Thank you. :)

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« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2013, 09:57:04 am »
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It's not the god I'm worried about, it's the other people involved in it. I'm worried that if I pursue this path I will meet mostly a kind of person I can't connect with very well. If that makes sense. I suppose that's counting my chickens before they hatch, now that I think about it.

What do you mean by cast a circle?

Thank you. :)

 
I'll be honest with you, if you were to never meet someone who you didn't get along with on any kind of level (friendship, personal, romantic, etc.), chances are you didn't do much to explore this situation you were in. You are going to meet people in this path that don't like you and that you don't like, and when you learn how to handle those situations, you become a better person for it. You may interact with a deity that you really, really want to work with, only to find out that they wouldn't have ever been right for you.

You're also going to have to interact with followers of the deity that you meet who think some really stupid and ignorant noise, and you will have to learn how to deal with that. The point is, exploring is crucial for you at this point; with exploration you get to take the time to figure all of this out and see if it is something you can handle now, or that you will be able to handle down the road. Start reading, this site does have SIGS (special interest groups) where you can get more information and begin your journey.

Finally, this is a magic circle:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_circle
Yes, it's Wikipedia, but the article is decent and basic enough.

Good Luck.

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« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2013, 04:34:06 pm »
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I'll be honest with you, if you were to never meet someone who you didn't get along with on any kind of level (friendship, personal, romantic, etc.), chances are you didn't do much to explore this situation you were in. You are going to meet people in this path that don't like you and that you don't like, and when you learn how to handle those situations, you become a better person for it. You may interact with a deity that you really, really want to work with, only to find out that they wouldn't have ever been right for you.

You're also going to have to interact with followers of the deity that you meet who think some really stupid and ignorant noise, and you will have to learn how to deal with that. The point is, exploring is crucial for you at this point; with exploration you get to take the time to figure all of this out and see if it is something you can handle now, or that you will be able to handle down the road. Start reading, this site does have SIGS (special interest groups) where you can get more information and begin your journey.


That.... is an excellent point. Thank you. You're quite right.

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Finally, this is a magic circle:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_circle
Yes, it's Wikipedia, but the article is decent and basic enough.

Good Luck.

 
OH. I see! Thank you!! I'll be back after I've done a lot more reading, then. :)

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Re: Here is what I know so far:
« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2013, 08:44:49 pm »
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My questions: how do I make contact, for one, and for two, what is a Fetch? Also, does it matter that there aren't any thylacines around anymore?  


Oh, so you're an uber-beginner? Alright, getting back to basics.

Sounds like you were getting a hedonistic vibe. That isn't bad in itself, unless it pushes you pass limits you're not comfortable with, say between a single shot of beer and being drunk. If a god seems to be leading you on to harmful or dangerous things, then this is a being to avoid.

A Fetch is a guardian spirit; in Asatru it's a part of one's soul that typically takes on animal form. That your critter is an extinct animal I don't think is a problem. Each soul is unique, so why would they all look like wolves or eagles?

Making contact. In my general understanding of paganism, historical and modern, is that the gods ignore you if you ignore them. Gods do call to people sometimes, how common that is I don't know. Generally, though, in order to get a deity's attention you need to start making offerings, invoking the god, letting them know you're there.

The oblations are of food and drink, what kinds are up to you to determine. Whatever feels most appropriate. Sacrifices can be made to natural features,  as I mentioned before, either as mediators between mortals and the divine, or as a representation of the divine. Indoors, you can light a candle as your focal point.

While offering, recite invocations that explain what you're doing, why you're doing it, and what you hope to achieve. Say whatever feels best incarnates your emotions, what moves you. It can be very simple statements or elaborate poetry. After the offering, ingest a little of the food and drink as a way to symbolize your union with the god-in your case it sounds like you want to be a follower.

Then meditate, perform divination, or go to sleep and have a dream, and maybe the answer will come to you.

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