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Some time ago, none of the gods and goddesses of any pantheon wanted anything to do with me, and incidentally, it was also at this time when I had hit rock bottom with my eating disorder and general state of mental health (yes, I used to be a troubled bulimic teen-aged girl, and yes, I'm a living stereotype sometimes--please bear with me). The more I kept harming and lying to myself, the less any of the gods and goddesses wanted anything to do with me, especially the ones I had devoted myself to at the time (this is probably one of the major factors that caused my worship of Loki and the other Norse gods to fizzle out). I've gotten much better and have since moved on to a new pantheon, but I couldn't help but to wonder if the gods didn't want anything to do with me back then because I was "disordered" or simply because I was a weak-minded individual who was easily manipulated by others.

    Anyways, sob-story aside, my question is this: do the gods and goddesses you worship care about your state of health? Why or why not? While we're at it, why do they even bother with human followers? What's so great about humanity anyways?

You don't have to answer all of those, and I can't wait to see some of your answers! :)
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Re: Do the deities you follow care about you at all, and if so, why?
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2012, 09:36:38 pm »
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Some time ago, none of the gods and goddesses of any pantheon wanted anything to do with me, and incidentally, it was also at this time when I had hit rock bottom with my eating disorder and general state of mental health (yes, I used to be a troubled bulimic teen-aged girl, and yes, I'm a living stereotype sometimes--please bear with me). The more I kept harming and lying to myself, the less any of the gods and goddesses wanted anything to do with me, especially the ones I had devoted myself to at the time (this is probably one of the major factors that caused my worship of Loki and the other Norse gods to fizzle out). I've gotten much better and have since moved on to a new pantheon, but I couldn't help but to wonder if the gods didn't want anything to do with me back then because I was "disordered" or simply because I was a weak-minded individual who was easily manipulated by others.

    Anyways, sob-story aside, my question is this: do the gods and goddesses you worship care about your state of health? Why or why not? While we're at it, why do they even bother with human followers? What's so great about humanity anyways?

You don't have to answer all of those, and I can't wait to see some of your answers! :)

 

As a general rule, it depends on whether that status is something you had coming and/or can solve on your own. If the answer is yes, then I tend to get the feeling that it's not really their concern that a whiner, and that I should just stop feeling sorry for myself and get on with it.

When things are genuinely not my fault and I lack the resources to handle it properly, I do often get a feeling of acceptance from the natural world. Even if the human world doesn't understand or care. My deities can generally be chalked up to powerful elementals however, so don't generalize my statements to everyone. ^^

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Re: Do the deities you follow care about you at all, and if so, why?
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2012, 09:49:35 pm »
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    Anyways, sob-story aside, my question is this: do the gods and goddesses you worship care about your state of health? Why or why not? While we're at it, why do they even bother with human followers? What's so great about humanity anyways?

You don't have to answer all of those, and I can't wait to see some of your answers! :)

 
Short answer: I don't know. My theory is the gods care about us less than some people think and more than others think.

Long answer: . . . is too long to post here. But essentially, there are several different reasons that the gods take an interest in various aspects of humanity. Reasons ranging from "it's part of the natural order", to loneliness or boredom, to fate, and no particular reason at all.

FWIW, I believe Bast cares about me. Same with Atum, Shu, Tefnut, and even Set (though it's a "stop being a loser" kind of care ;)). That's not to say they lavish attention on me. They just tend to be around when needed most. Because they're great like that.
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Re: Do the deities you follow care about you at all, and if so, why?
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2012, 10:18:28 pm »
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Some time ago, none of the gods and goddesses of any pantheon wanted anything to do with me, and incidentally, it was also at this time when I had hit rock bottom with my eating disorder and general state of mental health (yes, I used to be a troubled bulimic teen-aged girl, and yes, I'm a living stereotype sometimes--please bear with me). The more I kept harming and lying to myself, the less any of the gods and goddesses wanted anything to do with me, especially the ones I had devoted myself to at the time (this is probably one of the major factors that caused my worship of Loki and the other Norse gods to fizzle out). I've gotten much better and have since moved on to a new pantheon, but I couldn't help but to wonder if the gods didn't want anything to do with me back then because I was "disordered" or simply because I was a weak-minded individual who was easily manipulated by others.

This, including the struggles with eating disorders and compulsive lying (the values of my family were on a basis of pride and image, and our actual situation gave us all a lot to cover up,) actually sounds very close to my dealings with the Norse gods. I seemed to only have gotten a window into that realm, after I had shown some hope that I could step on other people's toes to take care of myself and not be really sorry for it. (My closest guess-- Not entirely comfy with it, either, so those of other philosophical interpretations of the nature of the Rokkr, please do feel free to message me!)

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A select few Irish and Greek gods appeared invested in my future and health. I kind of took that for granted, and now don't really want to ask why. My hypothesis is that, it's easier for gods to communicate to sensitive humans to get the stuff done that they want to get done in this realm-- rather than reaching out between the veil and focusing their powers. What we emanate might even be a source of power that they harvest.

So, they invest in me because I'll be useful. I invest in them because they've been useful. I expect to act as a tool, up to a certain point-- you can't use a pair of tweezers to hammer in the nail. So, if I have to change my nature or uphold a lifestyle that just isn't me, in order to be a dedicant and reap the benefits, then... that's just damaging on both sides (ergo, the falling-out with YHWH, and the never-falling-in-with-the-Aesir) (Except for Thor, the second to last god in that pantheon that I thought I'd ever resonate with. We shared a beer and then He left. I guess He just wanted half a beer? But then I could have done that any time while I was messed up. So, I suspect He was really attracted to the joviality of the occasion-- a joviality I bleakly lacked for most of my life. See?)

Being easily manipulated... yeah, that might have put them off. Back to my tool metaphor, it was like they want to hammer a nail in-- and I was quicksilver. Not going to work for them. I never know what they're building, but, they can make me happy or regretful about being or not being a part of it.
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Re: Do the deities you follow care about you at all, and if so, why?
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2012, 10:27:37 pm »
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You don't have to answer all of those, and I can't wait to see some of your answers! :)


It depends on the deity, it depends on the pantheon, it depends on the follower.

Deity and pantheon: From my experience, gods of impersonal things like natural phenomena or of societal structures and institutions, aren't going to care about your personal struggles because it's not their job to. However, a deity of love will probably be more inclined to care about your dating life, a muse-type to care about your writer's block, and so on. I think others are definitely capable and willing to lend support and inspiration for lots of other kinds of things, though: strength, patience, confidence, self-love.

Follower: For those of us who do more reconstructionist-style religions, many source cultures and religions believed that the gods only took a personal interest in major political figures and leaders, because they were essentially the backbone of the people as a whole. So a king not being able to produce an heir was probably a much bigger issue in their eyes than the farmer's wife struggling with infertility. Others, especially the god-bothered, believe and experience differently.

I've described my relationship with the gods being similar to that of a boss and an intern. I show up to work, do my part, and in return build connections... to put it really, really simply. They care, but in a very limited--or perhaps just unknowable--capacity. (I wrote a bit more about this here a while ago.)

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Re: Do the deities you follow care about you at all, and if so, why?
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2012, 11:06:36 pm »
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Some time ago, none of the gods and goddesses of any pantheon wanted anything to do with me, and incidentally, it was also at this time when I had hit rock bottom with my eating disorder and general state of mental health.


I experienced something similar-but-different when I was going through mental health dramas when I was younger.  At the time, I felt like the Gods had decided I wasn't worth the effort and had bailed on me.

But looking back, I think it was quite complicated.  Part of it was that my 'reception' was so damaged and off-kilter that if They were there, I couldn't feel/see/hear Them anyway.  I was in that headspace were I couldn't even properly interpret things other humans were saying to me (depression can turn the glowingest compliment into snark about how worthless you are) let alone otherworldly folk.

Another part of it was that my own energy was off (not just because of mental illness per se, I had a lot of anger and poor-me going on) so rituals or visualisations that required putting in energy were probably not being fuelled well and so not working or going anywhere.  And then there's the practical consideration that depression saps your energy and will to do stuff, and for me spiritual practice was one of the first things to go.

None of that may have any bearing on your situation, though... that's purely my own experience.

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Sulis does, partially because She's associated with healing so it's part of Her brief, and partially because She takes an interest in me personally for Her own reasons.  The Morrigan does only insofar as it's relevant to her particular project for me.  As for other entities... I've never really got any impression one way or the other.

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Re: Do the deities you follow care about you at all, and if so, why?
« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2012, 11:08:50 pm »
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You don't have to answer all of those, and I can't wait to see some of your answers!


The short answer: I have no idea, but I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't.

Longer answer: I pray and devote myself to the Imperial Cult for their strength, their history, and their majesty. I ask them to protect and give their favour to my nation (Byzantium Novum) with myself only as the occasional afterthought. The Romans didn't believe in a personal relationship so much as a working relationship. I do for you so that you may do for me. When I have need of something, or need divine aid, I don't go to the Dii Imperii as I feel that's not really what they are 'there' for. The Dii Imperii are for state and higher matters rather than personal matters, for whom I go to Fortuna, Venus, or the household gods. My relationship with the Dii Imperii is distant, more that of a servant rather than a close relationship. I like to think that my relationship with the Divus Iulius is more personal that with the rest of the Dii but that could be entirely my own imagination. All of this isn't to say that I don't ever go to the Dii or that I wouldn't like to have a more personal relationship with them, but as it stands I don't really think it's anything personal.

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Re: Do the deities you follow care about you at all, and if so, why?
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2012, 05:40:55 pm »
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   Anyways, sob-story aside, my question is this: do the gods and goddesses you worship care about your state of health? Why or why not? While we're at it, why do they even bother with human followers? What's so great about humanity anyways?

 
I pretty much get the cold shoulder till I figure my life out. I tend to crave solitude so for me it works, but not sure if this is them giving me the help I need or if they are frustrated with me.
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« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2012, 11:16:28 am »
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Anyways, sob-story aside, my question is this: do the gods and goddesses you worship care about your state of health? Why or why not? While we're at it, why do they even bother with human followers? What's so great about humanity anyways?

You don't have to answer all of those, and I can't wait to see some of your answers! :)


I can only answer for myself and my own personal experiences.

I broke contact with my mother in 2009, it was a very rough summer for me and I was angry about a lot of things. I shied away from my beliefs for a few months and when I came back to my faith is when I realized Hekate was with me. Well, she had always been with me, but I just didn't realize it till then. She was coming to me as a motherly figure and was teaching me some lessons about myself. I wondered why I hadn't realized she had been with me before and I just accepted that it wasn't time. She came through at one (one) of my darkest times b/c I think the Divine realized I needed guidance at that time. So, yes, I think they do care about us.

Why do they care? Well, I think Gods are just facets of a universal energy that encompasses all religions and that the universal energy just wants to project love (d'oh..... gag...puke...lets move on). Since I think the end result of everything in life is about loving one another I think the Divine allows things to be shown to us when we are down and need help. At the same time, I think they are taken away from us when we need to figure thing out on our own (tough love approach).

The humanity question: - I don't know. I think that goes back to "why are humans here and what's the point of life" and I don't have the answer for that. I do think the Divine is a conscious and unconscious energy of love and we reincarnate until we understand that and then we're "absorbed" into the energy of love. Why all this happens, again, not a clue and I don't know that much about it. LOL!

Anyway, there's my answer FWIW :)

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Re: Do the deities you follow care about you at all, and if so, why?
« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2012, 11:53:03 am »
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Anyways, sob-story aside, my question is this: do the gods and goddesses you worship care about your state of health? Why or why not? While we're at it, why do they even bother with human followers? What's so great about humanity anyways?


I could say that, since all the deities I've worshipped over time solicited me, that's proof enough they care, and leave it at that.

Hecate found me brought to my knees by a combination of puberty, bullying at school and the breakdown of my family. Her tough love may not sound the best thing to counter my borderline suicidal depression, but in the long term she taught me how to grow a spine and a thick skin - tools of survival.

Brighid called me once I was securely on my feet again, much like the health visitor takes over a newborn as soon as the midwife signs them off her care, and showed me how to take care of myself and channel my creativity.

Both have done heaps of good mostly for my mental health, and the fact that they bowed out gracefully once the Trinity claimed me again suggests that their work on me was done.

I don't have any 'miraculous recovery' stories that would make it on a televangelist show; God works more subtly than that with me. But the fact that I can express my worries in prayer at bedtime and wake up in the morning either with a solution already formed in my mind, or much lighter and abler to concentrate and work the solution out myself over time... that, to me, can only mean that he hears me and deals with my case while I rest. Always on call, like any decent parent, only extra-supersized.
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Re: Do the deities you follow care about you at all, and if so, why?
« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2012, 01:15:53 pm »
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As some others have already said, I have the impression it depends on the deity, the person and the issue.

They don't care the way my best human friends care, but some deities might pop up when there is an issue they have to say anything about.

Some might also care if you prod the right deity about an issue which is in their field of expertise and if you do so in a way that's appealing to them (offerings etc.) - and if you're sincerly open for their input. - One of my most frightening experiences with a deity was asking for help and getting it in a way I would have never anticipated.

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Do the deities you follow care about you at all, and if so, why?
« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2012, 04:56:00 pm »
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do the gods and goddesses you worship care about your state of health? Why or why not? While we're at it, why do they even bother with human followers? What's so great about humanity anyways?


I can only speak to my experiences and relationship with Brighid.  I have no idea about other gods.

I believe She does care about me.  Moreover, I believe She cares about my family, although that could be only because I care about them.

I think there are 2 reasons.  The first is that I'm simply a better tool when I'm in good shape, whether that's physical or emotional.  It's a practical matter.  Several years ago, when I was in a very bad place, She was clear that I needed to find a way to get better *because I want useful to Her in that condition*.

Second, I think She *also* cares about me just because She is the kind of being who cares about Her people.  The closest analogy I can think of is of a boss and employee.  I've had bosses who only cared about my health because of the effect it had on my work.  They're just "colder" people, I guess.  I've also had bosses who were warmer, more caring people, and who genuinely cared about me, separate from my work.  I'd much rather work for the latter, but I understand the former.  I think the gods are similar.

Brighid tends to be warmer and more caring, just because that's who She is.  And that's part of what drew me to Her.  But She also knows She needs tools that can do the work She wants done.

I'm in a better place emotionally than I was when She had to "speak sternly" to me, but I have long-term physical problems.  That seems to be less of a problem for Her than my emotional problems were.  In fact, She has put 2 geis (taboos, sort of) on me that I believe are intended to help protect my physical health.  (I'm not allowed to do magic or to contact other deities.)

As to why the gods are interested in humans at all:  who knows?  We can only speculate.  I, personally, think it's because they need us to exist as much as we need them.  I think there's an exchange of energy -- for want of a better word -- that is necessary for both sides.  I also think some of us act as the gods' hands, to do work they want done.

Just my $0.02, of course.

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Re: Do the deities you follow care about you at all, and if so, why?
« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2012, 08:24:40 pm »
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While we're at it, why do they even bother with human followers? What's so great about humanity anyways?

I'm pretty new to paganism in general, but as someone who spent time studying Greek mythology and feels drawn to the Hellenic path, I can offer you my own personal opinion:

I'm reading E.V. Rieu's translation of The Illiad and he mentions the way Homer depicts the gods and goddesses throughout the story.  They seem to both find humanity pitiful and at the same time fascinating.  Well, if I were a higher being I might view humanity they same way as well.

In Greek mythology, the gods and goddesses are definitely shown taking an interest in the lives of certain humans for the same reasons we take interest in other people.  Some of the gods are literally related to certain humans.  Achilles had a goddess mother, so he turned to her for help and she obliged because they were family. And the Greeks naturally viewed some gods as taking their side during the Trojan War.

As for having human followers, maybe it's not so much about worship as it is about acknowledgement.  When you do something nice for someone, its nice for that person to at least acknowledge it.  If a god or goddess shows me favor, the least I can do is acknowledge the favor, and especially given the fact that the vast majority of the world doesn't even acknowledge the existence of the ancient gods and goddesses.  

At least, that's how I see it based on my limited studies.  I'm still new at this.:)
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Re: Do the deities you follow care about you at all, and if so, why?
« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2012, 09:26:32 pm »
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    Anyways, sob-story aside, my question is this: do the gods and goddesses you worship care about your state of health? Why or why not?


 
I believe mine do, and they show it. Specifically the state of my mind. Physical health yes, to the extent that I am taking care of myself. This has nothing to do with physical prowess/size/how far I can run/how much I can lift......but more like living responsibly with regard to my physical state. I hope that makes sense. If I don't take care of myself and handle the physical side of me to whatever extent I can, then I can't really be 'up' to doing the things I'm asked to do.

For the mental side...I'm in the legal field. This requires all sorts of analytical thinking, reasoning....etc. But so does life. When I use reason, sound judgment, logic, balance and such in life, my deities seem happiest.

For instance, in another thread I mentioned an issue with a longtime friend this year that became a big mess. Logic and reason and sound judgment and being strong enough "inside" to do what needed to be done even though it cost me a friend was the "right" thing to do.

Since I made the decision to do what was right, I have felt the gentle nudges and presence of my deities more frequently and with more strength. The joys of deities with a bent toward social justice and autonomy. :)

So yes, I believe they care. And their presence, support, and backing when not requested are how they show it.
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Re: Do the deities you follow care about you at all, and if so, why?
« Reply #14 on: November 18, 2012, 12:56:22 pm »
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Anyways, sob-story aside, my question is this: do the gods and goddesses you worship care about your state of health? Why or why not? While we're at it, why do they even bother with human followers? What's so great about humanity anyways?


Generally, no. Coming from an ancient Greek perspective, the Olympian gods were very remote and not especially concerned with the lives of mortals any more than a mortal royal family would care that much about the average peasant. There are gods that are more concerned with human life, such as the household gods like the Agathos Daimon, Hestia, and certain aspects of Zeus and Apollon. The cult of Isis and Serapis in Hellenistic and Roman periods did see those deities as taking an interest in mortal suffering, and so were very popular in Greece and Rome because the traditional gods really didn't.

That said, while most of the major gods probably don't take an interest in humans, I'm sure they can in certain situations. I don't subscribe to the idea that the gods are our imaginary friends who do special favours for us, but they can get involved if they need to or if there is a serious problem.

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