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New to paganism, looking for resources.
« on: February 04, 2014, 09:49:30 pm »
Hi all!

I'm new to this board, and I was hoping that some of the older and more experienced pagans among you could offer me some help. I'm looking to get into paganism as a religion, I've been looking at it for a while and it really seems to resonate with me. However, I feel there is still alot I do not know. I'm not particularly sure which path of paganism I wish to follow yet. I do know that I would like it to have some form of magick involved with it, as that is something that greatly interests me, but I'm not sure which of the paths would be best fitting for me. The three that I am considering most seriously are Rokkatru, Kemetism, and Wicca. If anyone could give me a clear overview of the three, or link me to sites which could do so, that would be great. I understand the basic principles of each, but I haven't been able to find any detailed info on them. Thanks!
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Re: New to paganism, looking for resources.
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2014, 01:24:22 pm »
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I'm new to this board, and I was hoping that some of the older and more experienced pagans among you could offer me some help. I'm not particularly sure which path of paganism I wish to follow yet. I do know that I would like it to have some form of magick involved with it, as that is something that greatly interests me, but I'm not sure which of the paths would be best fitting for me. The three that I am considering most seriously are Rokkatru, Kemetism, and Wicca.

Welcome!
For Egyptian religion, two major groups are
http://www.kemet.org/
http://www.cesidaho.org/
The second is the most receptive to the practice of magic.
But Wicca is the only paganism in which magic really plays a vital part. There are masses of Wiccans here, who will all be rushing to help.
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Re: New to paganism, looking for resources.
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2014, 01:34:13 pm »
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Welcome!
For Egyptian religion, two major groups are
http://www.kemet.org/
http://www.cesidaho.org/
The second is the most receptive to the practice of magic.
But Wicca is the only paganism in which magic really plays a vital part. There are masses of Wiccans here, who will all be rushing to help.

Bolding is my doing. Actually there are many TC members who practice witchcraft/magic who are not Wiccan. I am one of those members. Wicca is definitely not the only area of Paganism where magic is used. That is just blatantly false.

Here's a link that gives a brief description of what I am talking about.http://ecauldron.net/commonquestionsfaq.php Look under the heading: Question: What is the difference between a pagan, Wiccan, and witch?
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Re: New to paganism, looking for resources.
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2014, 01:41:39 pm »
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The three that I am considering most seriously are Rokkatru, Kemetism, and Wicca. If anyone could give me a clear overview of the three, or link me to sites which could do so, that would be great. I understand the basic principles of each, but I haven't been able to find any detailed info on them. Thanks!

 
On Wicca, one of the things to be aware of is that people use the term in a wide variety of ways - everything from traditional initiatory Wicca where one learns a specific set of practices honouring a specific pair of deities and focusing on a specific set of religious mysteries and priorities, to much more popularised versions (which can be extremely varied.)

I've got a page on my Seeking website that lays out some of the different variants for how the term gets used: the rest of that site might also be of interest to you.

(I should note here that while my practice is something that many people would consider comfortably in the Wiccan umbrella, I prefer a tighter definition of Wicca that excludes what I do, and refer to what I do as initiatory religious witchcraft. If you're interested in Wicca in general terms, it's quite possible there are other approaches to religious witchcraft that might also be of interest, but that aren't Wicca.)
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Re: New to paganism, looking for resources.
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2014, 03:26:12 pm »
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On Wicca, one of the things to be aware of is that people use the term in a wide variety of ways - everything from traditional initiatory Wicca where one learns a specific set of practices honouring a specific pair of deities and focusing on a specific set of religious mysteries and priorities, to much more popularised versions (which can be extremely varied.)

I've got a page on my Seeking website that lays out some of the different variants for how the term gets used: the rest of that site might also be of interest to you.

(I should note here that while my practice is something that many people would consider comfortably in the Wiccan umbrella, I prefer a tighter definition of Wicca that excludes what I do, and refer to what I do as initiatory religious witchcraft. If you're interested in Wicca in general terms, it's quite possible there are other approaches to religious witchcraft that might also be of interest, but that aren't Wicca.)


Thank you all for your replies :) It's very helpful. I think that Wicca may be the one I want, however I do have one more question. I forgot to mention it in my previous post, but I would like to keep my practice solitary, and remain uninvolved with larger organizations. Does anyone know where to start with this? I'm just looking for some basic guidelines to get me started. Thanks again to everyone who replied!

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« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2014, 02:01:40 pm »
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Welcome!
For Egyptian religion, two major groups are
http://www.kemet.org/
http://www.cesidaho.org/
The second is the most receptive to the practice of magic...

 
For Kemetism/Kemeticism, the two groups linked above are two examples, but there are many people who practice forms of Egyptian religion who are not affiliated with either group.
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« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2014, 02:25:09 pm »
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Actually there are many TC members who practice witchcraft/magic who are not Wiccan. I am one of those members. Wicca is definitely not the only area of Paganism where magic is used. That is just blatantly false.

Now I know I'm fussy, but I do get pissed off by the number of people here who criticise when they haven't been paying attention. I didn't say non-Wiccans don't use magic. I said that magic really (i.e. in general) only plays a vital part in (i.e. is integral to) Wicca. A Heathen may take it or leave it, but I'd be surprised to hear of a Wiccan who never ever did magic (Oh dear, here they come).
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« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2014, 02:35:45 pm »
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Now I know I'm fussy, but I do get pissed off by the number of people here who criticise when they haven't been paying attention. I didn't say non-Wiccans don't use magic. I said that magic really (i.e. in general) only plays a vital part in (i.e. is integral to) Wicca. A Heathen may take it or leave it, but I'd be surprised to hear of a Wiccan who never ever did magic (Oh dear, here they come).

I'm pretty sure most of us pay very good attention to what has been said. If we didn't, we wouldn't be able to criticize to begin with. Magic plays a vital part in several religions, not just Wicca. Your phrasing and choice of words suggested it was the ONLY religion that magic played a vital part in, which is a very incorrect statement. Hence, others felt the need to respond and clarify.
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Re: New to paganism, looking for resources.
« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2014, 11:07:12 pm »
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I'm new to this board, and I was hoping that some of the older and more experienced pagans among you could offer me some help. I'm looking to get into paganism as a religion, I've been looking at it for a while and it really seems to resonate with me. However, I feel there is still alot I do not know. I'm not particularly sure which path of paganism I wish to follow yet. I do know that I would like it to have some form of magick involved with it, as that is something that greatly interests me, but I'm not sure which of the paths would be best fitting for me. The three that I am considering most seriously are Rokkatru, Kemetism, and Wicca. If anyone could give me a clear overview of the three, or link me to sites which could do so, that would be great. I understand the basic principles of each, but I haven't been able to find any detailed info on them. Thanks!

 
Since you mentioned both Kemetism and Wicca, I can't help but wonder if you've looked into Tameran Wicca at all? It's basically Wicca with an Egyptian flair. Pagyptsian has a lot of videos that I think are good for beginners, and she talks a lot about Kemetic, Wiccan and Tameran Wiccan practices (among other things). There's also Per Weben Benu, which is a small teaching coven that operates online. I know you mentioned that you want to be solitary, but it may be worth checking out.

As for Kemetic practice in general, the Kemetic Round Table is an excellent resource. It's a collection of bloggers who write about a variety of Kemetic topics, such as shrine building, ritual basics, and heka (magic).
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« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2014, 04:39:49 pm »
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I didn't say non-Wiccans don't use magic. I said that magic really (i.e. in general) only plays a vital part in (i.e. is integral to) Wicca.


No, you didn't say that non-Wiccans don't use magic. What you did say was (exact quote), 'But Wicca is the only paganism in which magic really plays a vital part' - which is, just as Windshadow said, blatantly false. Unless you are considering all forms of pagan religious Witchcraft to be Wicca, even if the practitioner says, 'What I do is not Wicca' - that's no so much blatantly false as it is blatantly rude.

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... but I'd be surprised to hear of a Wiccan who never ever did magic (Oh dear, here they come).

 
Since I've been hearing people self-identify with, 'I'm a Wiccan, but I'm not a witch because I don't do magic,' for over 20 years, I'm no longer surprised by it.  Of course, what they mean by 'Wicca' is generally what, in Jenett's 'Ranges of Use' article (see the link in Jenett's post) is in clusters 3, 4, or 5 - the broader usage of the word that has developed, mainly in N America, over the decades. From what I understand, that broader usage didn't come into play in the UK until very recently, so I can understand why you wouldn't have encountered it yet - but the flip side of that is, in the UK, (pagan religious) witches who are not Gardnerian/Alexandrian have traditionally not called themselves Wiccan, which makes your earlier point even odder.

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