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Working with Morrigan
« on: September 03, 2012, 10:11:53 am »
I feel drawn to Morrigan, but have read several books and articles stating this was not a wise thing to do, due to Her apparent "dark side".

Any advice concerning working with this particular diety? Offerings? incantations?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

BTW, I am a 48yo man, About a year and a half on the Old Path, Solitary (but I'm looking for a Coven)  of Irish/French...UM...I meanGaulish/Native American decent. Celtic pantheon with some Native American weaved in.

Thanx,
Glynsh GreyOwl

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Re: Working with Morrigan
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2012, 11:14:25 am »
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I feel drawn to Morrigan, but have read several books and articles stating this was not a wise thing to do, due to Her apparent "dark side".

Any advice concerning working with this particular diety? Offerings? incantations?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

BTW, I am a 48yo man, About a year and a half on the Old Path, Solitary (but I'm looking for a Coven)  of Irish/French...UM...I meanGaulish/Native American decent. Celtic pantheon with some Native American weaved in.

Thanx,
Glynsh GreyOwl

 
She has lots of followers around here. My advice? Start with a forum search, both here and at the old site. You'll get a lot of good information that should get you started.

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Re: Working with Morrigan
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2012, 02:19:28 pm »
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I feel drawn to Morrigan, but have read several books and articles stating this was not a wise thing to do, due to Her apparent "dark side".

Any advice concerning working with this particular diety? Offerings? incantations?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

BTW, I am a 48yo man, About a year and a half on the Old Path, Solitary (but I'm looking for a Coven)  of Irish/French...UM...I meanGaulish/Native American decent. Celtic pantheon with some Native American weaved in.

 
What books and articles have you read?

From your use of 'the Old Path', being solitary and looking for a coven, I assume you're Wiccan or wiccish? In what context are you looking to work with tM?

I'm a little confused as to why you bring up your heritage?
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Re: Working with Morrigan
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2012, 05:14:08 pm »
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I feel drawn to Morrigan, but have read several books and articles stating this was not a wise thing to do, due to Her apparent "dark side".

Any advice concerning working with this particular diety? Offerings? incantations?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

BTW, I am a 48yo man, About a year and a half on the Old Path, Solitary (but I'm looking for a Coven)  of Irish/French...UM...I meanGaulish/Native American decent. Celtic pantheon with some Native American weaved in.

Thanx,
Glynsh GreyOwl

 
I've done some work with Mor Rioghan (the old name) and while, as the Chooser of the Slain, she can be dark, she also has her light sides - as the Goddess of Sovereignty and a Healing Goddess.

The one thing you do NOT do is try to force anything with her, she has her own agenda, and if you are part of that, then she can be a support and inspiration.  If, however, she thinks you'd be better off with someone else, no amount of prayer, devotion or anything else will sway her.

Approach her with cautious respect and be prepared to take "NO" for an answer.

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Re: Working with Morrigan
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2012, 06:00:16 pm »
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She has lots of followers around here. My advice? Start with a forum search, both here and at the old site. You'll get a lot of good information that should get you started.


I started there, but got a whole lot of irrelevant material. Either the filter did not work properly, or I somehow bollixed up my entry...I will endeavor to do so again.

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Re: Working with Morrigan
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2012, 06:17:12 pm »
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I've done some work with Mor Rioghan (the old name) and while, as the Chooser of the Slain, she can be dark, she also has her light sides - as the Goddess of Sovereignty and a Healing Goddess.

The one thing you do NOT do is try to force anything with her, she has her own agenda, and if you are part of that, then she can be a support and inspiration.  If, however, she thinks you'd be better off with someone else, no amount of prayer, devotion or anything else will sway her.

Approach her with cautious respect and be prepared to take "NO" for an answer.



I will do some research on "Mor Rioghan".
I kind of got the same impression on the "lighter side" information that I could glean without the Catholic influence.

I haven't initiated any contact, in fact, rather I feel I was in denial as to the messages I had recieved from tM, due to the inaccurate "Caution" that I had read without full comprehension.

In retrospect, the influence I have received thus far, has been tantamount to several stern "Swift kicks in the Ass" in areas of my life in which I have been negligent.

Thanx,
GGO

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Re: Working with Morrigan
« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2012, 06:32:36 pm »
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What books and articles have you read?

From your use of 'the Old Path', being solitary and looking for a coven, I assume you're Wiccan or wiccish? In what context are you looking to work with tM?

I'm a little confused as to why you bring up your heritage?


Juni,
I've read a lot, Buckland, Cunningham, Thea Sabin, DJ Conway, Silver RavenWolf, a lot on the net, Not entirely sure where I got the "caution" but it has come up more than once.
I'm not entirely sure where I fit in. I feel more that tM is trying to work with me (i.e. kick me in the ass)

Heritage info provided to provide as much information as possible, so as to get a relevant response without having to be asked for it. Sometimes my logic center in my brain is hard to squelch in such matters.

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Re: Working with Morrigan
« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2012, 06:37:28 pm »
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I will do some research on "Mor Rioghan".
I kind of got the same impression on the "lighter side" information that I could glean without the Catholic influence.


Check the works of Daithi O hOgain, Miranda Green and Sharon Paice MacLeod - they're all scholars (well, in Daithi's case *was* - he died last year) and well regarded for accurate, researched information

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I haven't initiated any contact, in fact, rather I feel I was in denial as to the messages I had recieved from tM, due to the inaccurate "Caution" that I had read without full comprehension.


Well, if she's trying to get with you, I'd do something soon, even if it just amounts to a "Hi, I hear you, give me a little bit to wrap my brain around this"

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In retrospect, the influence I have received thus far, has been tantamount to several stern "Swift kicks in the Ass" in areas of my life in which I have been negligent.

Thanx,
GGO

 
Oh she's very good at those, most of the Celt Deities are actually - I get those from Brighid every so often.

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Re: Working with Morrigan
« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2012, 08:47:12 pm »
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I feel drawn to Morrigan, but have read several books and articles stating this was not a wise thing to do, due to Her apparent "dark side".

Any advice concerning working with this particular diety? Offerings? incantations?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

BTW, I am a 48yo man, About a year and a half on the Old Path, Solitary (but I'm looking for a Coven)  of Irish/French...UM...I meanGaulish/Native American decent. Celtic pantheon with some Native American weaved in.

Thanx,
Glynsh GreyOwl

 
i too was drawn to her but since she favors warrior/soldier types of people i walked away. i follow Manannan now, tho i still praise the morrigan. she is a great deity, but scary. i will only ever ask her for something if it is serious.
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Re: Working with Morrigan
« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2012, 09:10:03 pm »
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Well, if she's trying to get with you, I'd do something soon, even if it just amounts to a "Hi, I hear you, give me a little bit to wrap my brain around this"


Rhyshadow,
He-He-Hee, I signed off, got something to eat, sat on the porch for the sunset and did just such!

I'm anxious to check out the references you stated, and get going on those "Kicks" as I previously mentioned!

Thankx again,
GGO

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Re: Working with Morrigan
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2012, 02:17:46 pm »
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I started there, but got a whole lot of irrelevant material. Either the filter did not work properly, or I somehow bollixed up my entry...I will endeavor to do so again.

 
The search function on VBulletin (our current forum software) sucks - it looks like it's picking up every mention of her, however casual, and not doing any further filtering.  What I'd suggest is picking out from those results (or using the advanced search set to "titles only") those threads that have "Morrigan" in the subject line.  You'll probably miss some good convos about her that came up in other threads, but I don't see how you can find those without just reading the entire archive, so that'll have to do.

You can also try searching the archive forum - its software, SMF, has a far better search function, so you'll get a lot more relevant material.  Since it covers more than four years of TC's activity, you'll get lots of material.

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Re: Working with Morrigan
« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2012, 02:39:57 pm »
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I've read a lot, Buckland, Cunningham, Thea Sabin, DJ Conway, Silver RavenWolf, a lot on the net, Not entirely sure where I got the "caution" but it has come up more than once.

 
Hmm, looks like you need to develop your critical reading skills.  Conway and RavenWolf are both very poor sources (I believe they both come up in the "Books to Beware" thread, and forum searches, on both the current and archive forums, will turn up lots more about what the problems with them are).  The others you cite aren't too bad - I haven't read Sabin myself, but folks I trust (like Jenett) recommend her; Buckland and Cunningham have some areas of unreliability but are useful in other things and of course are "old classics".

And when reading on the 'Net, you definitely need to be able to sort out the BS.  I'm not at all surpised you found cautions about the Morrigan; some folks find the idea of a war goddess utterly horrifying.

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Re: Working with Morrigan
« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2012, 04:32:26 pm »
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Hmm, looks like you need to develop your critical reading skills.  Conway and RavenWolf are both very poor sources (I believe they both come up in the "Books to Beware" thread, and forum searches, on both the current and archive forums, will turn up lots more about what the problems with them are).  The others you cite aren't too bad - I haven't read Sabin myself, but folks I trust (like Jenett) recommend her; Buckland and Cunningham have some areas of unreliability but are useful in other things and of course are "old classics".

And when reading on the 'Net, you definitely need to be able to sort out the BS.  I'm not at all surpised you found cautions about the Morrigan; some folks find the idea of a war goddess utterly horrifying.

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Intriguingly, one of my other tabs open right now is a fascinating article from a professor of rhetoric about how to spot bad books - his focus is on academicish titles (especially pop-history, etc.) but a lot of the principles are just as useful for Pagan titles (is someone being unduly self-referential, are their references antique, etc.)
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« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2012, 04:48:21 pm »
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Hmm, looks like you need to develop your critical reading skills.  Conway and RavenWolf are both very poor sources (I believe they both come up in the "Books to Beware" thread, and forum searches, on both the current and archive forums, will turn up lots more about what the problems with them are).  The others you cite aren't too bad - I haven't read Sabin myself, but folks I trust (like Jenett) recommend her; Buckland and Cunningham have some areas of unreliability but are useful in other things and of course are "old classics".

And when reading on the 'Net, you definitely need to be able to sort out the BS.  I'm not at all surpised you found cautions about the Morrigan; some folks find the idea of a war goddess utterly horrifying.

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And since Mor Rioghan is Irish, another one to stay FAR away from is Edain McCoy - her ideas are very problematic and she's about as Celtic as Ol' Gerald was

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Re: Working with Morrigan
« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2012, 03:53:55 pm »
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I feel drawn to Morrigan, but have read several books and articles stating this was not a wise thing to do, due to Her apparent "dark side".

Any advice concerning working with this particular diety? Offerings? incantations?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

BTW, I am a 48yo man, About a year and a half on the Old Path, Solitary (but I'm looking for a Coven)  of Irish/French...UM...I meanGaulish/Native American decent. Celtic pantheon with some Native American weaved in.

Thanx,
Glynsh GreyOwl

I'd start with what draws you to her, and go from there. Relationship with deity is very personal&subjective, so others' warnings may not always be appropriate. An Mhór-Ríoghain's "dark side," is an important part of her persona, which is an important part of life that needs embraced at times.

Read as much as you can, some good sources already given, and then take what next step you feel to be appropriated.

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