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Re: Good and Bad Auras
« Reply #15 on: November 18, 2013, 03:28:42 pm »
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I never said I had the right. I just don't like the idea of it. Am I not allowed to express my views just because you disagree with it? Having sex isn't wrong and you don't have to wait until your married since I don't agree with abstinence. One should have sex when they are ready but also should be cautious. If not, you catch diseases, spread to others, get pregnant and try to take care of a child that you're clearly not ready to take care of and you basically ruin the kid's life because you were unprepared. All because you couldn't control your urges or were careless. So no, I think being careless and lustful is damaging and immoral to yourself and others.

But it's getting off topic. I'm using this an example of someone who clearly is immoral and lust is one of them when they look at other people as nothing more than objects and use them as they please. Sex is sacred. We exist because of this pleasure. I want to have sex with a woman I at LEAST know and care about. They don't have to be a soul mate but I should care for them then just their appearence. Making love is better than just sex. I mentioned lust because many immoral people display this trait along with greed and anger and I figure such emotions can give out energy or frequencies that one could sense spirtually. I've heard stories where someone can sense the evil in them and know full well that they are partially or fully corrupted. I know they are stories but almost all stories have some truth to them.

 
Anger isn't immoral either
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« Reply #16 on: November 18, 2013, 03:33:12 pm »
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Anger isn't immoral either

 
Anger isn't bad. Anger when you don't control yourself and hurt others because of it is bad. Most of the time, anger doesn't solve problems and aggravates the situation. Why do you think people try to control their anger? Bad and immoral people display rage they clearly make no attempt at controlling. Rage is a strong emotion and you can do so much damage if one doesn't control it. People usually fight and kill out of anger. They usually aren't sad or happy when doing it.  They are overcome with rage. Immoral people display anger at a greater level and with less restraint. That was the point I was trying to get across.

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« Reply #17 on: November 18, 2013, 03:37:21 pm »
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I am an extremely lustful person.  I have sex often, and with multiple partners.  Some of those partners have been married.  Some also have children.  I have one family member who I would murder in cold blood without batting an eye if I knew I could get away with it.  I have a particular proclivity to any number of different forms of debauchery.  So, by your wide-sweeping, archetypal simplifications that must mean I am an evil person.

I also bake and cook quite frequently and take most of it to the local soup kitchen.  I crochet blankets and afghans and donate them to hospitals and nursing homes.  I donate to our animal shelter, participate every year in our local toy drives, and donate fans and coats every summer and winter respectively. So now I'm a good person.

Only, the way you have framed things in your world, I can't be both good and bad; I have to be one or the other because obviously life and morality is black/white.  I personally believe that good and evil are the same thing, just polar opposites.  I'd say I'm somewhere near the middle, though my ego pushes me closer to the good pole.

 
Don't exaggerate. Obviously you don't portray moral traits in some areas but you do in other areas. I guess one way of telling of one is good or bad is if they have done more good or bad in their lives. The cold greedy person who donated a couple times but conned and stole countless money wouldn't be an overall good person now would he? Or someone who saved one or two innocents but murdered 10 to 20 would make you overall evil though.

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« Reply #18 on: November 18, 2013, 03:39:23 pm »
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Anger isn't bad. Anger when you don't control yourself and hurt others because of it is bad. Most of the time, anger doesn't solve problems and aggravates the situation. Why do you think people try to control their anger? Bad and immoral people display rage they clearly make no attempt at controlling. Rage is a strong emotion and you can do so much damage if one doesn't control it. People usually fight and kill out of anger. They usually aren't sad or happy when doing it.  They are overcome with rage. Immoral people display anger at a greater level and with less restraint. That was the point I was trying to get across.

 
But that's not what you said, you said that anger was an immoral trait. Also anger often solves problems. The anger of oppressed peoples changes the world for the better. For lots of people being able to get in touch with their anger is a really healing thing for them
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« Reply #19 on: November 18, 2013, 03:43:52 pm »
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Don't exaggerate. Obviously you don't portray moral traits in some areas but you do in other areas. I guess one way of telling of one is good or bad is if they have done more good or bad in their lives. The cold greedy person who donated a couple times but conned and stole countless money wouldn't be an overall good person now would he? Or someone who saved one or two innocents but murdered 10 to 20 would make you overall evil though.


Who's exaggerating?  I took the criterion you presented in this thread, selected the most extreme of both instances as exemplified in my behavior and assigned a level of morality based on your guidelines.  So now we've moved on to placing a judgement of value upon differing behaviors.  If I were to murder the family member, how many donations, in your opinion, would be acceptable for one human life?  I'd like it to be a wash, see.  I don't want people to pick up my evilz when I'm near them.

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« Reply #20 on: November 18, 2013, 03:46:37 pm »
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But that's not what you said, you said that anger was an immoral trait. Also anger often solves problems. The anger of oppressed peoples changes the world for the better. For lots of people being able to get in touch with their anger is a really healing thing for them

 
That's controlled anger, not blind rage. If oppressed people have a riot that's not good now is it? Riots are uncontrolled and you hurt more innocents. Revolutions expresses controlled anger while riots expresses anarchy and blind rage. I know Christians have said that wrath is one of the seven deadly sins. I see wrath as blind rage. Anger is in all of us. You cannot eliminate anger. You can only control it.

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« Reply #21 on: November 18, 2013, 03:46:42 pm »
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I never said I had the right. I just don't like the idea of it. Am I not allowed to express my views just because you disagree with it? Having sex isn't wrong and you don't have to wait until your married since I don't agree with abstinence. One should have sex when they are ready but also should be cautious. If not, you catch diseases, spread to others, get pregnant and try to take care of a child that you're clearly not ready to take care of and you basically ruin the kid's life because you were unprepared. All because you couldn't control your urges or were careless. So no, I think being careless and lustful is damaging and immoral to yourself and others.

But it's getting off topic. I'm using this an example of someone who clearly is immoral and lust is one of them when they look at other people as nothing more than objects and use them as they please. Sex is sacred. We exist because of this pleasure. I want to have sex with a woman I at LEAST know and care about. They don't have to be a soul mate but I should care for them then just their appearence. Making love is better than just sex. I mentioned lust because many immoral people display this trait along with greed and anger and I figure such emotions can give out energy or frequencies that one could sense spirtually. I've heard stories where someone can sense the evil in them and know full well that they are partially or fully corrupted. I know they are stories but almost all stories have some truth to them.

I'm not saying you don't have the right to express your opinion. I'm saying that your opinions of right and wrong aren't universal, and that you don't get to assume people are corrupt because their values are not your values. As long as it's safe and consensual, it's NOYFB.

I agree that for myself, I *prefer* sex within a committed, monogamous relationship, but that is MY CHOICE. I don't see NSA sex as wrong, just that it does nothing for ME. Other people's choices have nothing to do with me, and I'm secure enough in who I am that I don't need to police someone else's sex life. I have no more right than the fundies do to decide who's following the proper rules. If someone isn't a partner of mine, I don't care who they sleep with, because I have a life.

Sex aside, you're still ignoring the fact that morality is COMPLICATED. This idea of good hearts and corrupt hearts just does not match the real world. Players will play you, and the only way to learn to see the signs is by being played. What you think is immoral may be normal to someone else. Seeing the world in black and white is short-sighted and egocentric.
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« Reply #22 on: November 18, 2013, 03:50:36 pm »
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That's controlled anger, not blind rage. If oppressed people have a riot that's not good now is it? Riots are uncontrolled and you hurt more innocents. Revolutions expresses controlled anger while riots expresses anarchy and blind rage. I know Christians have said that wrath is one of the seven deadly sins. I see wrath as blind rage. Anger is in all of us. You cannot eliminate anger. You can only control it.

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« Reply #23 on: November 18, 2013, 03:57:51 pm »
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That's controlled anger, not blind rage. If oppressed people have a riot that's not good now is it? Riots are uncontrolled and you hurt more innocents. Revolutions expresses controlled anger while riots expresses anarchy and blind rage. I know Christians have said that wrath is one of the seven deadly sins. I see wrath as blind rage. Anger is in all of us. You cannot eliminate anger. You can only control it.

 
Firstly you never said any thing about blind rage originally. Neither anger or rage are immoral or negative. It's what you do with them that matters, Emotions are not actions. I never said you could or should eliminate anger you were the one who said it was a bad thing.  Also what is a riot and what is a revolution depends very much on which side you are on.
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« Reply #24 on: November 18, 2013, 03:58:54 pm »
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I'm not saying you don't have the right to express your opinion. I'm saying that your opinions of right and wrong aren't universal, and that you don't get to assume people are corrupt because their values are not your values. As long as it's safe and consensual, it's NOYFB.

I agree that for myself, I *prefer* sex within a committed, monogamous relationship, but that is MY CHOICE. I don't see NSA sex as wrong, just that it does nothing for ME. Other people's choices have nothing to do with me, and I'm secure enough in who I am that I don't need to police someone else's sex life. I have no more right than the fundies do to decide who's following the proper rules. If someone isn't a partner of mine, I don't care who they sleep with, because I have a life.

Sex aside, you're still ignoring the fact that morality is COMPLICATED. This idea of good hearts and corrupt hearts just does not match the real world. Players will play you, and the only way to learn to see the signs is by being played. What you think is immoral may be normal to someone else. Seeing the world in black and white is short-sighted and egocentric.

 
I am not ignoring any fact. I am just aware of what's right and wrong. One religion thinks females should be covered up and be a servant and not have nearly as many priviliges and that you should be killed if you were raped just so you can "restore your honor" and by being stoned no less. Does that mean I should do it because it's normal for a religion to do that? That's absurd. I have already explained my morals and ethics and people here act like it's a bad thing to display those good traits...

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« Reply #25 on: November 18, 2013, 04:09:56 pm »
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Don't exaggerate. Obviously you don't portray moral traits in some areas but you do in other areas. I guess one way of telling of one is good or bad is if they have done more good or bad in their lives. The cold greedy person who donated a couple times but conned and stole countless money wouldn't be an overall good person now would he? Or someone who saved one or two innocents but murdered 10 to 20 would make you overall evil though.

 
are we playing D&D here?  or trying to get to heaven and having our morality weighed?

It's not SIMPLE.  It's not a one-axis rubric.  It's not an alignment written on a character sheet.  It's complicated and messy and changes over a lifetime.  Sometimes even over the course of a day.

Life is MESSY.  If it was as easy as having a gold star of goodness to check for, the question of what being good IS wouldn't exist!  (and I wouldn't have to do the work I do).

No one outside of Power Rangers style things go around being gleefully evil.  Everyone thinks they're at least moderately good, or doing the best they can, or whatever else the excuse is.  The most evil person out there has a reason for what they're doing and why it isn't REALLY wrong.

No easy answers.  No clear lines.  No demarcation of "past this point you are EEEEEEEEEVIL".

If it was that easy, we'd've figured it out generations ago.

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« Reply #26 on: November 18, 2013, 04:15:11 pm »
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I am not ignoring any fact. I am just aware of what's right and wrong. One religion thinks females should be covered up and be a servant and not have nearly as many priviliges and that you should be killed if you were raped just so you can "restore your honor" and by being stoned no less. Does that mean I should do it because it's normal for a religion to do that? That's absurd. I have already explained my morals and ethics and people here act like it's a bad thing to display those good traits...

Right and wrong is subjective. Living according to your standards may be a good thing. Saying others are wrong or even immoral is a value judgment you aren't qualified to make. Your idea that you know better than others is an impediment to your own personal growth, as well as being an imposition on the boundaries of others. I for one got enough of that being raised by fundies.
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« Reply #27 on: November 18, 2013, 04:17:44 pm »
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are we playing D&D here?  or trying to get to heaven and having our morality weighed?

It's not SIMPLE.  It's not a one-axis rubric.  It's not an alignment written on a character sheet.  It's complicated and messy and changes over a lifetime.  Sometimes even over the course of a day.

Life is MESSY.  If it was as easy as having a gold star of goodness to check for, the question of what being good IS wouldn't exist!  (and I wouldn't have to do the work I do).

No one outside of Power Rangers style things go around being gleefully evil.  Everyone thinks they're at least moderately good, or doing the best they can, or whatever else the excuse is.  The most evil person out there has a reason for what they're doing and why it isn't REALLY wrong.

No easy answers.  No clear lines.  No demarcation of "past this point you are EEEEEEEEEVIL".

If it was that easy, we'd've figured it out generations ago.

 
EVERYONE thinks they are at least moderatley good? Now you're the one exaggerating. That isn't true and there are others that are fully aware of what they are doing and they don't care or have little to no morals or have no conscience. Are you sympathizing with the evil person who believes they have a reason to steal, rape and kill? Should he be let go because he doesn't know any better? There is NO excuse for that. No matter if they say their religion commands it, or that the victim hurt their feelings or whatever. It's not like they believe what they are doing is right and they are "poor misunderstood people." Rather they will often justify it or find some excuse to kill and hurt. Whether they do it gleefully or have some twisted reason for doing it, it doesn't change the fact that it's wrong.
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« Reply #28 on: November 18, 2013, 04:20:30 pm »
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No easy answers.  No clear lines.  No demarcation of "past this point you are EEEEEEEEEVIL".

 
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« Reply #29 on: November 18, 2013, 04:20:30 pm »
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EVERYONE thinks they are at least moderatley good? Now you're the one exaggerating. That isn't true and there are others that are fully aware of what they are doing and they don't care or have little to no morals or have no conscience. Are you sympathizing with the evil person who believes they have a reason to steal, rape and kill? Should he be let go because he doesn't know any better? There is NO excuse for that. No matter if they say their religion commands it, or that the victim hurt their feelings or whatever. It's not like they believe what they are doing is right and they are "poor misunderstood people." Rather they will often justify it or find some excuse to kill and hurt. Whether they do it gleefully or have some twisted reason for doing it, it doesn't change the fact that it's wrong.

I think your compassion and your capacity for thinking beyond one-dimensional judgment is sorely lacking.
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