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Re: Divine symbolism in everyday life
« Reply #30 on: January 30, 2013, 05:08:09 am »
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Reading through what other posters have said about Morrigan has definitely piqued my interest. She sounds like a deity that doesn't hesitate to give you a swift boot up the bum (or apparently attack you with crows!) when she thinks you should be doing something.

I'll also look more into Celtic Gods and Goddesses, as admittedly it's not a pantheon I know much about. Thank you for the encouragement!


Quick question about Morrigan.  What about black birds in general?  I was taking my daughter to my sisters house and there several huge flocks of black birds in different areas.  There were four times that a single bird dive bombed my windshield and we almost hit it by just inches.  My daughter wanted to know what was with all of the birds, she had never seen so many.  I thought to myself at the time, maybe someone is telling me to slow down, and not to hurry.  Then (this is probaly in my head because I need more sleep) when I was turning onto my sisters road I look over and saw three horses in a pasture, then I saw a person in black carharts and a hat brushing one of the horses.  I turned my turning signal on and looked back (mere seconds) and there was no person there.  I know what I saw, I watched the person for more than a mere glimps, and there was no where for them to go where I couldn't have seen them.
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Re: Divine symbolism in everyday life
« Reply #31 on: January 30, 2013, 09:15:19 am »
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Quick question about Morrigan.  What about black birds in general?  I was taking my daughter to my sisters house and there several huge flocks of black birds in different areas.  There were four times that a single bird dive bombed my windshield and we almost hit it by just inches.  My daughter wanted to know what was with all of the birds, she had never seen so many.  I thought to myself at the time, maybe someone is telling me to slow down, and not to hurry.  Then (this is probaly in my head because I need more sleep) when I was turning onto my sisters road I look over and saw three horses in a pasture, then I saw a person in black carharts and a hat brushing one of the horses.  I turned my turning signal on and looked back (mere seconds) and there was no person there.  I know what I saw, I watched the person for more than a mere glimps, and there was no where for them to go where I couldn't have seen them.

Hmm, now that I'm not too sure. Blackbirds are from a different bird family grouping I know- as far as I have read it has only ever been crows and members of the crow family group She's been associated with.
In terms of horses She would have an association as far as been a goddess associated with war and being depicted on a chariot pulled by a one-legged red horse in The Táin but I don't think She has any particularly strong association with horses beyond that. :)
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« Reply #32 on: February 01, 2013, 01:31:05 pm »
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Hmm, now that I'm not too sure. Blackbirds are from a different bird family grouping I know- as far as I have read it has only ever been crows and members of the crow family group She's been associated with.
In terms of horses She would have an association as far as been a goddess associated with war and being depicted on a chariot pulled by a one-legged red horse in The Táin but I don't think She has any particularly strong association with horses beyond that. :)


If you're looking for Celtic Goddesses associated with horses, I would suggest Rhiannon, a Sovereignty Goddess from the Welsh Mabinogion. She is often associated with the Gaulish/Celtic Goddess Epona. Epona is often portrayed as a Woman with a Horse, the horse being associated with Kingship and Sovereignty. I don't know about any Bird associations with her, though.

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Re: Divine symbolism in everyday life
« Reply #33 on: February 01, 2013, 02:45:21 pm »
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If you're looking for Celtic Goddesses associated with horses, I would suggest Rhiannon, a Sovereignty Goddess from the Welsh Mabinogion. She is often associated with the Gaulish/Celtic Goddess Epona. Epona is often portrayed as a Woman with a Horse, the horse being associated with Kingship and Sovereignty. I don't know about any Bird associations with her, though.

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Aye! Funnily enough Ireland doesn't really have an equivalent goddess to Rhiannon/Epona. Macha is kinda the closest we have but she's not really a goddess of horses per say, she has other associations.
Epona is also associated with dogs I believe :)
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« Reply #34 on: February 03, 2013, 09:21:53 pm »
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Aye! Funnily enough Ireland doesn't really have an equivalent goddess to Rhiannon/Epona. Macha is kinda the closest we have but she's not really a goddess of horses per say, she has other associations.
Epona is also associated with dogs I believe :)


Right! Epona is a Gaulish Celtic Deity whose associations with Horses and Animals also connotates Fertility. There were so many Gauls in the Roman Army that Epona was eventually adopted as a Patron Goddess of Roman Cavalry.

Rhiannon, a Welsh/Cymric Goddess from the Mabinogion, is known as a Queen and a Sovereignty Goddess, and was described as riding astride a White Horse. Some have associated her with Epona, as mentioned.

Macha I know less about. It is my understanding that there are a number of characters in Irish Mythology that use the name. I haven't read as much Irish Mythology as I would like. Maybe you can enlighten me a bit on Macha?

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Re: Divine symbolism in everyday life
« Reply #35 on: February 04, 2013, 02:42:42 pm »
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I note from your posts that you are from Britain. There are a lot of people in your country who work with Celtic deities.

I am an eclectic practitioner myself, but the Celtic deities are my "go to" Gods and Goddesses.

I work with deities from other pantheons and traditions (I have long worked with the Athena archetype/goddess, for example), but my holistic religious practices are tending to use the Celtic deities more and more regularly, as a group, especially the Welsh Gods and Goddesses.

Other Celtic Gods and Goddesses that you might like to look into are:

Gwydion, Magician, Warrior, Trickster God

Arianrhod, sister of Gwydion, Goddess of the "Silver Wheel"

Govanonn, brother of Gwydion, a Smith God

The above are just three examples of Welsh deities, but there are many more Celtic Gods and Goddeses to work with, including many Irish Deities.

Donal


Really funny you should mention that, I went out to today and borrowed a load of books about Celtic mythology from my local library. =D I'll have a good look at them tomorrow night. :)

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Re: Divine symbolism in everyday life
« Reply #36 on: February 04, 2013, 02:45:26 pm »
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I'm really glad I started this thread now, I'm learning so much about pantheons I know little about. I love this forum! :)

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« Reply #37 on: February 04, 2013, 07:19:25 pm »
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Macha I know less about. It is my understanding that there are a number of characters in Irish Mythology that use the name. I haven't read as much Irish Mythology as I would like. Maybe you can enlighten me a bit on Macha?

Thanks!
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There are a number of Machas in Irish mythology, the most famous would be the Macha who cursed the Ulstermen in The Táin which caused them to be paralyzed with birthing pain.
There's actually a reasonably good article on Wikipedia! :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macha
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There are a number of Machas in Irish mythology, the most famous would be the Macha who cursed the Ulstermen in The Táin which caused them to be paralyzed with birthing pain.
There's actually a reasonably good article on Wikipedia! :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macha



I checked out the Wikipedia article. Thanks! Macha is a lesser known Irish Goddess to me. I am fairly familiar with the Morrigan and especially Brigid.

It seems from the first paragraph of the Macha article that she is a Sovereignty Goddess associated with Horses and War, so I can definitely see the resemblence to Epona and Rhiannon.

Have you done much work with Macha? I would be interested in your experiences with her, or any other Celtic Deity.

Do you strictly work with Irish Gods and Goddesses? I have been focusing mainly on Welsh Deities lately, but I am a Celtic Eclectic who would like to learn more about non-Welsh Celtic Deities, especially Irish ones. Do you know of any good books?

Thanks again,
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« Reply #39 on: February 04, 2013, 10:47:27 pm »
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Really funny you should mention that, I went out to today and borrowed a load of books about Celtic mythology from my local library. =D I'll have a good look at them tomorrow night. :)


That's great. There is a lot of excellent material in Celtic Mythology. Have fun reading!

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« Reply #40 on: February 05, 2013, 10:05:23 am »
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I checked out the Wikipedia article. Thanks! Macha is a lesser known Irish Goddess to me. I am fairly familiar with the Morrigan and especially Brigid.

It seems from the first paragraph of the Macha article that she is a Sovereignty Goddess associated with Horses and War, so I can definitely see the resemblence to Epona and Rhiannon.

Have you done much work with Macha? I would be interested in your experiences with her, or any other Celtic Deity.

Do you strictly work with Irish Gods and Goddesses? I have been focusing mainly on Welsh Deities lately, but I am a Celtic Eclectic who would like to learn more about non-Welsh Celtic Deities, especially Irish ones. Do you know of any good books?

Thanks again,
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There's still a lot of debate about the connections at the moment with scholars as far as I'm aware :)
I've actually never worked with her personally but I may in the future! Who knows :P

Generally speaking I work with strictly Irish deities. I'm Irish and I live in southern Ireland so there's a strong goddess connection and I also tend to stick to Irish deities because I know more about them from an academic standpoint :)
An excellent book would be Celtic Mythology by Proinsias MacCana and I highly recommend anyone interested in Celtic and Irish Mythology to read it :)
Are you interested in the Irish tales and sagas? Because I would certianly recommend looking into those :)
A great resource is the CELT website set up by my own University: http://www.ucc.ie/celt/publishd.html
It has many translations of various texts and it really has some great bits and pieces in there :)
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« Reply #41 on: February 05, 2013, 03:27:50 pm »
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There's still a lot of debate about the connections at the moment with scholars as far as I'm aware :)
I've actually never worked with her personally but I may in the future! Who knows :P

Generally speaking I work with strictly Irish deities. I'm Irish and I live in southern Ireland so there's a strong goddess connection and I also tend to stick to Irish deities because I know more about them from an academic standpoint :)
An excellent book would be Celtic Mythology by Proinsias MacCana and I highly recommend anyone interested in Celtic and Irish Mythology to read it :)
Are you interested in the Irish tales and sagas? Because I would certianly recommend looking into those :)
A great resource is the CELT website set up by my own University: http://www.ucc.ie/celt/publishd.html
It has many translations of various texts and it really has some great bits and pieces in there :)


Great website!

As an Irish-American myself, I have a peripheral understanding of Irish myth and legend. I have not done enough thorough reading on the subject, as I have been busy with my Welsh work (I also have some very old Welsh blood, which is what initially drew me to that mythology many moons ago).

Anyway, thanks for the references and resources! I will definitely look into them as time allows.

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« Reply #42 on: February 05, 2013, 05:01:10 pm »
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Great website!

As an Irish-American myself, I have a peripheral understanding of Irish myth and legend. I have not done enough thorough reading on the subject, as I have been busy with my Welsh work (I also have some very old Welsh blood, which is what initially drew me to that mythology many moons ago).

Anyway, thanks for the references and resources! I will definitely look into them as time allows.

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No problem! I also recommend you check out The Táin and the foretales to that epic :)
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« Reply #43 on: February 05, 2013, 11:02:14 pm »
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No problem! I also recommend you check out The Táin and the foretales to that epic :)


The Tain is basically the Cattle Raid of Cooley, yes? Good stuff.

It must be great to study this stuff at University, in Ireland. My college education was mainly Biology and Social Sciences, some Anthropology, no Religious Studies, here in America.

Are you a Gaelic speaker? I am not very good at foreign languages, but would like to learn a little Old Irish (some Welsh also). I have been looking at the languages section of the CELT website you referred me to. Very enjoyable.

Donal
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« Reply #44 on: February 06, 2013, 05:36:17 pm »
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The Tain is basically the Cattle Raid of Cooley, yes? Good stuff.

It must be great to study this stuff at University, in Ireland. My college education was mainly Biology and Social Sciences, some Anthropology, no Religious Studies, here in America.

Are you a Gaelic speaker? I am not very good at foreign languages, but would like to learn a little Old Irish (some Welsh also). I have been looking at the languages section of the CELT website you referred me to. Very enjoyable.

Donal

 
That's the one! :)

It was a dream come true. :D
The Irish system is quite different from the American one from what I understand. :)
I'm actually not unfortunately, our schooling system is very bad at teaching Irish- we're taught to memorize grammar and phrases but not to speak it in everyday situations. :( And we do it as a subject for about 14 or so years so that's pretty bad that most people come out barely able to string a sentence together :(
I'm hoping to learn myself though!
Next year I'll be studying Old Irish :) It should be.... interesting XD
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