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Author Topic: What's wrong with being eclectic?  (Read 7668 times)

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Re: What's wrong with being eclectic?
« Reply #90 on: September 22, 2013, 08:57:22 pm »
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I don't know much about FlameKeeping I guess. I'm sorry, I guess I was misled into thinking they believe all humans (or possibly all living things) are divine souls. I have no idea what you're talking about with regard to Christianity...every sect of Christianity I've ever come across (LDS excluded) believes in some form of Hell and the singularity and exclusivity of YHWH. I'm not following, perhaps I'm just being dense. My apologies.

 
(disclaimer: I don't actually any of this, but I grew up mormon)

Again, Slightly wrong. The LDS believe in the Outer Darkness - which, granted, is Lucifier's domain and Not very many people will go there - it's for the souls that fought for him instead of Jesus, and they never get to be born on earth. The people that do go there after death/final judgment are the extremely horrible people. Aka, the people who used to be mormon then turned against it, according to Joseph Smith. (Apostasy is considered the worst sin in the LDS church) This is considered the Hell, for most purposes.

HOWEVER. There are three kingdoms, Celestial (with three degrees within), Terrestrial, and Telestial.

Telestial is considered a sort of heaven, but the lowest sort. The residents of this kingdom are liars, sorcerers, adulterers, whores, liars, blah blah blah I believe even murderers. They will still get taught the gospel by the Terrestrial kingdom people though.

I believe I got this right, but I do have a headache so I apologize for any small mistakes - it's been a long time since I've been to the LDS church

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What's wrong with being eclectic?
« Reply #91 on: September 22, 2013, 10:01:48 pm »
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...and then adds in some Flame Keeping sort of beliefs where all humans are innately perfect and divine and incapable of sin this is just wishful thinking in most cases.

Ummm, no.

FlameKeeping espouses that everything is Divine - me, you, the tree, the rock, and my left shoe.  It does not say anything about humans being innately perfect or incapable of action that some might call 'sin'.  We don't use that word, however.

You might want to read more about FK before attributing things to it that aren't part of it.
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Re: What's wrong with being eclectic?
« Reply #92 on: September 23, 2013, 04:36:37 am »
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(disclaimer: I don't actually any of this, but I grew up mormon)

Again, Slightly wrong. The LDS believe in the Outer Darkness - which, granted, is Lucifier's domain and Not very many people will go there - it's for the souls that fought for him instead of Jesus, and they never get to be born on earth. The people that do go there after death/final judgment are the extremely horrible people. Aka, the people who used to be mormon then turned against it, according to Joseph Smith. (Apostasy is considered the worst sin in the LDS church) This is considered the Hell, for most purposes.

HOWEVER. There are three kingdoms, Celestial (with three degrees within), Terrestrial, and Telestial.

Telestial is considered a sort of heaven, but the lowest sort. The residents of this kingdom are liars, sorcerers, adulterers, whores, liars, blah blah blah I believe even murderers. They will still get taught the gospel by the Terrestrial kingdom people though.

I believe I got this right, but I do have a headache so I apologize for any small mistakes - it's been a long time since I've been to the LDS church

 
Thanks for the clarification! I'd only ever heard of the Three Kingdoms before! Apologies for my ignorance. I have a copy of the Book of Mormon around somewhere but I haven't got around to reading it yet.
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Re: What's wrong with being eclectic?
« Reply #93 on: September 23, 2013, 04:38:12 am »
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Ummm, no.

FlameKeeping espouses that everything is Divine - me, you, the tree, the rock, and my left shoe.  It does not say anything about humans being innately perfect or incapable of action that some might call 'sin'.  We don't use that word, however.

You might want to read more about FK before attributing things to it that aren't part of it.


I guess I just define Divine as "perfect." Guess everyone defines it differently.

Sorry I got it wrong.
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Re: What's wrong with being eclectic?
« Reply #94 on: September 23, 2013, 08:35:27 am »
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I guess I just define Divine as "perfect." Guess everyone defines it differently.

Probably because you come from a Christan background and "perfect" is one of the attributes assigned to the JCI God.
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Re: What's wrong with being eclectic?
« Reply #95 on: September 23, 2013, 08:55:59 am »
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I guess I just define Divine as "perfect." Guess everyone defines it differently.

 
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What's wrong with being eclectic?
« Reply #96 on: September 23, 2013, 09:25:14 am »
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Probably because you come from a Christan background and "perfect" is one of the attributes assigned to the JCI God.

Good point, probably is the case! Although, I should probably correct my original statement. You guys are right because I don't count my Gods and Goddesses as being "perfect" but I do say they are "Divine." So, I think maybe I was phasing back to old definitions of divinity that I no longer hold to be true. My apologies. :blush: I guess I need to collect my thoughts better next time. I think maybe its just still my gut instinct to think "perfect" when I hear "Divine." 19 years of Christian indoctrination will do that I suppose.
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« Reply #97 on: September 23, 2013, 09:25:53 am »
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If you actually pay attention to myths, you'll find that a lot of gods are murderers, rapists, unpleasant at parties, and so on.

Yea, I screwed up. I corrected myself in my reply to Randall. My apologies.
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Re: What's wrong with being eclectic?
« Reply #98 on: September 25, 2013, 07:03:55 pm »
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Hello.

I've noticed that a number of neo-pagans seem to be critical of eclectic paths.  Do you feel it's ok to be on an eclectic path (either tendentially or absolutely)?  Why or why not?

Thanks in advance for any responses.


I don't think there is anything wrong with being eclectic, spiritually. There is beauty in many different faiths, and if you wish to cultivate the best from different arenas - go you!
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