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Using Fiction to Explain your Faith
« on: March 27, 2014, 11:16:59 pm »
So I've been toying around the idea of using the medium of short stories (mostly e-books) to tell the story of my eclectic pagan path, as I think it'd be the most engaging and entertaining way to teach people about what I believe in.

Has anyone else ever done this before and have you had much success with this?  The one thing that really concerns me though is trying to get the reader to look beyond the fictional story to see the inspiration behind it, the goddess that I worship, the nature spirits that I've talked to, etc. etc.  

Anyone has thoughts on this?

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Re: Using Fiction to Explain your Faith
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2014, 11:29:04 pm »
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So I've been toying around the idea of using the medium of short stories (mostly e-books) to tell the story of my eclectic pagan path, as I think it'd be the most engaging and entertaining way to teach people about what I believe in.

Has anyone else ever done this before and have you had much success with this?  The one thing that really concerns me though is trying to get the reader to look beyond the fictional story to see the inspiration behind it, the goddess that I worship, the nature spirits that I've talked to, etc. etc.  

Anyone has thoughts on this?

 
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Re: Using Fiction to Explain your Faith
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2014, 12:06:35 am »
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So I've been toying around the idea of using the medium of short stories (mostly e-books) to tell the story of my eclectic pagan path, as I think it'd be the most engaging and entertaining way to teach people about what I believe in.

Has anyone else ever done this before and have you had much success with this?  The one thing that really concerns me though is trying to get the reader to look beyond the fictional story to see the inspiration behind it, the goddess that I worship, the nature spirits that I've talked to, etc. etc.  

Anyone has thoughts on this?


I started a new project this year, where I am doing artwork in a lot of different mediums (writing, illustration, leatherwork, jewelry, etc.), and basing them on mythology.

But it is not just the myth - it is my experiences with the figures and deities. So when I am doing the writing portion of each project, it is basically telling my experiences in a fictionalized format - the core of the messages and experiences stay the same, but some of the details are being changed.

The first one I have been working on is Icarus. So instead of just rewriting the myth itself, I have a character who is working on an art project when Icarus suddenly appears in her room, and they speak briefly on why he flew towards the sun. That kind of thing.

I was a little worried for a while, making sure the inspiration got across. But then I realized that, as long as I feel in tune with the story and the emotions and experiences, they will seep into and infuse any writing or artwork I do for it. Even if my viewers do not pick up directly the unwritten aspect of my experiences, if they can get a feel for the emotion and energy tied up with them, I consider it a success.

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Re: Using Fiction to Explain your Faith
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2014, 12:37:42 am »
That sounds like a wonderful idea! I've never tried it directly, but expressing anything from the heart is worth while.

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Re: Using Fiction to Explain your Faith
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2014, 08:35:07 am »
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So I've been toying around the idea of using the medium of short stories (mostly e-books) to tell the story of my eclectic pagan path, as I think it'd be the most engaging and entertaining way to teach people about what I believe in.

Has anyone else ever done this before and have you had much success with this?  The one thing that really concerns me though is trying to get the reader to look beyond the fictional story to see the inspiration behind it, the goddess that I worship, the nature spirits that I've talked to, etc. etc.  

Anyone has thoughts on this?


I tried it at one point, but my allegiances shifted before the project was completed. Since I'm no longer in contact with that goddess, I never finished it.
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Re: Using Fiction to Explain your Faith
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2014, 01:00:36 pm »
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So I've been toying around the idea of using the medium of short stories (mostly e-books) to tell the story of my eclectic pagan path, as I think it'd be the most engaging and entertaining way to teach people about what I believe in.

Has anyone else ever done this before and have you had much success with this?  The one thing that really concerns me though is trying to get the reader to look beyond the fictional story to see the inspiration behind it, the goddess that I worship, the nature spirits that I've talked to, etc. etc.  

Anyone has thoughts on this?


I feel that I'll do this some day. While I used to make this huge distinction between what I believe in real life, and what makes sense and would be cool in fiction...lately what's made sense is what I believe. Maybe they'll separate again, I don't know.

To some extent, I think that even my personal spiritual diary is a bit of fiction. I can't keep phrasing it like, "I felt this and therefore interpreted that". The blanket of interpretation just makes it easier to write because I already know what I mean, so I just write it out in the language and system that I developed. The interpretation might be wrong outside of itself, and the language and system is a created thing, and that's what makes it fiction to me.

Also: The Chronicles of Narnia, which is basically what C.S. Lewis believed, written out as an allegorical fantasy or something, although it's easy enough I think to remove Lewis from the equation.

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Re: Using Fiction to Explain your Faith
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2014, 02:49:45 pm »
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So I've been toying around the idea of using the medium of short stories (mostly e-books) to tell the story of my eclectic pagan path, as I think it'd be the most engaging and entertaining way to teach people about what I believe in.

Has anyone else ever done this before and have you had much success with this?  The one thing that really concerns me though is trying to get the reader to look beyond the fictional story to see the inspiration behind it, the goddess that I worship, the nature spirits that I've talked to, etc. etc.  

Anyone has thoughts on this?

 
I'm basically working on this right now. I'm not too worried about what people take from it - some people will build religion from things that aren't intended that way, and some people will read Narnia or the Golden Compass because they like the story.

Part of my goal in writing is not to produce something like the Temple of the Twelve, where people recommending it feel the need to go "the book is twee as hell but the SPIRITUAL IDEA BEHIND IT is worth it," you know?
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Re: Using Fiction to Explain your Faith
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2014, 04:41:23 pm »
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So I've been toying around the idea of using the medium of short stories (mostly e-books) to tell the story of my eclectic pagan path, as I think it'd be the most engaging and entertaining way to teach people about what I believe in.

Has anyone else ever done this before and have you had much success with this?  The one thing that really concerns me though is trying to get the reader to look beyond the fictional story to see the inspiration behind it, the goddess that I worship, the nature spirits that I've talked to, etc. etc.  

Anyone has thoughts on this?


While I would love to do something like that, I have this feeling I would have a lot of problems with it, at least at this point in my life.

I have had success with a few of my characters in other novels being Pagan and it not being a huge deal, just mentioned in passing, and hopefully the reader'd get up and research the branch of Paganism mentioned.
Like, um, a physics teacher who's Asatru. She'll have a Mjölnir tattoo on her shoulder. That's all that's mentioned about her religion and hopefully there'll be some curiosity from the reader's end.

Also, we need more representation in books without being Da Source of All Ebil. So there's that.

What you're planning on doing sounds like an awesome idea though, and I wish you luck.
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Re: Using Fiction to Explain your Faith
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Re: Using Fiction to Explain your Faith
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2014, 06:28:47 pm »
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So I've been toying around the idea of using the medium of short stories (mostly e-books) to tell the story of my eclectic pagan path, as I think it'd be the most engaging and entertaining way to teach people about what I believe in.

Has anyone else ever done this before and have you had much success with this?  The one thing that really concerns me though is trying to get the reader to look beyond the fictional story to see the inspiration behind it, the goddess that I worship, the nature spirits that I've talked to, etc. etc.  

Anyone has thoughts on this?


Kinda sorta what I do. I needed myths that spoke to me as a modern Western person, so I wrote them. They're fiction, and at the same time true, in that deep sense. I find it very satisfying and the principal aspect of my spirituality.

So I'd say do it.
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« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2014, 06:43:27 pm »
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Has anyone else ever done this before and have you had much success with this?

Anyone has thoughts on this?


I'm doing something like this as part of some personal spiritual work. I've been using a lot of allegory/metaphor to depict the abstracts, such as, a time of spiritual seeking becomes a backpacking trip around the world. That sort of thing. As the material covered is extremely personal, though, I doubt I will ever show it to a wide audience. Or, probably, any audience.

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Re: Using Fiction to Explain your Faith
« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2014, 01:45:46 pm »
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So I've been toying around the idea of using the medium of short stories (mostly e-books) to tell the story of my eclectic pagan path, as I think it'd be the most engaging and entertaining way to teach people about what I believe in.

Has anyone else ever done this before and have you had much success with this?  The one thing that really concerns me though is trying to get the reader to look beyond the fictional story to see the inspiration behind it, the goddess that I worship, the nature spirits that I've talked to, etc. etc.  

Anyone has thoughts on this?

 
I do something like this, though my goal is to figure out what I believe rather than introducing people to what I believe instead. It's a bit of a work in progress, but my personal experiences influence the scenes I write and it helps me puzzle some more difficult things out, particularly in the area of my personal theology.

And maybe it will help others figure out things too since I know I'm not the only one who is influenced by fiction.

But in the end I guess what I'm mostly concerned with is telling a good story and creating characters that can be related to rather than telling people exactly what I believe. However, my patron god does very much have a hand in how my story develops and there's a bit of personal mythology in there as well.

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Re: Using Fiction to Explain your Faith
« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2014, 02:36:08 am »
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So I've been toying around the idea of using the medium of short stories (mostly e-books) to tell the story of my eclectic pagan path, as I think it'd be the most engaging and entertaining way to teach people about what I believe in.

Has anyone else ever done this before and have you had much success with this?  The one thing that really concerns me though is trying to get the reader to look beyond the fictional story to see the inspiration behind it, the goddess that I worship, the nature spirits that I've talked to, etc. etc.  

Anyone has thoughts on this?

 

I've received some interesting results from this, especially from my Christian friends.  In general, they are enthusiastic to read about my views (as I don't, as a rule, share my religious ideas with anyone unless first questioned about them) and they are excited to observe the allusions to a culture they aren't familiar with.  Even though I explicitly refer to deities in both literal and metaphorical senses, my readers are engaged in a sensation of higher thinking and are able to better develop their own thoughts.  My latest creation (a retelling of the Sisyphean Myth using my recurring antihero) has been well received for these very reasons, not just in my peer group, but in my community as well.  I may get some of my works published soon, so this is a perfect opportunity to experiment with the response of the masses in regard to neopagan literature.

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Re: Using Fiction to Explain your Faith
« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2014, 02:44:58 am »
An addendum:

Fiction is by far the best way to write about your beliefs, because it allows your audience to construe whatever interpretation they like from it (within reason).  Fiction lacks the assertiveness of a paper that dictates your personal beliefs.  Instead of reading along the lines of, "This is what I believe in.  Here, have it shoved down your throat," the audience will read it with a gentler tone, something like: "My beliefs are to be shared in whatever context you like, so feel free to derive meaning in your own unique way."
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« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2014, 08:29:03 am »
I actually have thought about this before and I've written down a couple of things but not a whole story. I'm a pantheist and it would be nice to have what we believe in put out there more. Whether it be paganism or what have you

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