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Re: Theistic Satanism, Help?
« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2013, 04:40:22 pm »
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Wow... you have no idea what you are talking about, do you?  That's okay.  I'll explain.

Satanism at its core has nothing to do with Christianity.  Satan is a Christian character, so on the surface this is what many incompetent fools like Darkhawk here assume Satanism is supposed to be about.

 
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Re: Theistic Satanism, Help?
« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2013, 04:42:54 pm »
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Satanism at its core has nothing to do with Christianity.  Satan is a Christian character, so on the surface this is what many incompetent fools like Darkhawk here assume Satanism is supposed to be about.


Sweetie, you're the one spewing the B-movie propaganda.  I'm the one laughing at you for parroting it.
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Re: Theistic Satanism, Help?
« Reply #17 on: September 16, 2013, 05:09:42 pm »
Quote from: Astariel;121908
Wow... you have no idea what you are talking about, do you?  That's okay.  I'll explain.

Satanism at its core has nothing to do with Christianity.  Satan is a Christian character, so on the surface this is what many incompetent fools like Darkhawk here assume Satanism is supposed to be about.

But the essence of Satanism is wordless.  Its a word that describes an inner, often repressed, evil- and everything that can become of it.  

The problem with Laveyan Satanists, is how they often attempt to justify their actions as "right".  Just from a different point of view.  There is almost nothing evil about that.  

Luciferians embrace the Lucifer archetype, pursuing knowledge and moral balance.  But to be truly balanced, you must practice balance.  Performing light and dark rituals while in a costume in your bedroom does not count as practicing good and evil.  How you affect other humans?  That counts.  Real life actions.  A military general, making decisions to save lives and end lives will know more about practicing moral balance than 99.9% of Luciferians who think they got a good grasp on weilding good and evil.

Laveyan Satanism is a circus act.  But it's a portal to darker places should one choose to go there.

Order of Nine Angles is one of those darker places.  Someone involved with O9A will make others suffer because they know it cannot be morally justified and that's okay with them.  That's the point all these Satanists miss.  Evil for the sake of evil.  O9A will do whats illegal to explore those freedoms.  They'll rob your ass cause you were too weak to protect yourself.  They'll murder to enjoy the beautiful sensation of destroying human life.  They'll go and cull a human cause their weak ass didn't deserve life in the first place.  And if they did, so what.  

That's evil.  That's Satanism at its core.  Satanism isn't even the right word because everything associated with it is pathetically childish compared to the O9A.

Many people explore Satanism because they want to embrace some kind of inner evil- an evil that they are not likely to find among Laveyans who would rather try and justify their actions.  Who do not take their "evil" beyond their ritual chamber.  Who delude themselves into thinking they know anything about practicing evil.

O9A will help you find that evil you already possess.  Help you direct it.  Make something of it.  Find an incredible strength you weren't aware you already had in you.  There are no sheep to be found in O9A because there is no leaders, and no followers.  There is a collective.

Note:  I am not evil but balanced.  Truly. I have no religion.  I only support the O9A because they are perhaps the only form of modern Satanism that isn't composed of a bunch of pussies, weaklings, and idiots.

O9A is strong, enlightened, intelligent, formidable, and capable.  As "satanists" should be. Although the majority are the compete opposite.

 
I love it when you types do your 'bad deed for the day'.

Satanism of whatever brand is as irrelevant as Christianity now.

As an aside

Liber Al II: 24; "......on the low men trample in the fierce lust of your pride, in the day of your wrath."

Back to the discussion.
I admit I have crushed only 2 Satanist thus far with 'The Art'.  Do the cult of self thing as much as you like but try to restrict any Thelemite's True Will and you and Mr Satan will have big problems.

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Re: Theistic Satanism, Help?
« Reply #18 on: September 16, 2013, 05:16:54 pm »
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What? I mean here I was thinking a lot of, at least Luciferian, philosophy surrounded personal responsibility, self-reliance, discernment, radical honesty, and the seeking of knowledge beyond what one is hand-fed but HELL, mofos have been doing this all wrong! Well slap me twice and call me Astaroth!

Holding jobs and being responsible members of society and shit. Pfft.

As far as the OP, yes you can check out the Order of Nine Angles. As with any other philosophy it will either work for you or it won't. Personally, I'm not angsty or suburban enough to go seeking thrills through being a dick on purpose but hey, do what you do.


 
On a brighter note O9A also encourages self sufficiency, self defense, excellent survival skills, "seeking knowledge beyond what one has been hand fed" as you say, responsibility and honesty to yourself and those you align yourself with.

And why would you imply that you can't have a job and exploit others on the side, or even at the same time?

O9A does have a f*** the gov't and f*** the system attitude though.  For good reason.

O9A has some respect for those who run their own business.  Those who work as their own boss, or can grow or hunt their own food.  The less chains and control your government has on you the better.  Professional gangs and even military(despite gov't involvement) get a lot of respect too.

Many people lead these crappy paycheck to paycheck lifestyles, walking in circles their whole lives and settling for less.  Cause they feel like "responsible members of society".

You know how retarded that phrase sounds?

It's like another wording for "the perfect slave".  "The perfect sheep".

Indoctrination is for slaves.  I have more respect for a lot of hardcore criminals that know how to exploit humans for money and resources, than your average joe who works 8 to 5 for 40 hours a week, making much less, because they feel like a "responsible member of society", and choose to take the safer route, free of risk and reward, confined to laws and morals.  What a lame nobody.

If that's you than go on ahead.  That's your path. Whatever's clever.

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Re: Theistic Satanism, Help?
« Reply #19 on: September 16, 2013, 05:18:47 pm »
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I just read this.  My bad.  I will be more polite next time.

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Re: Theistic Satanism, Help?
« Reply #20 on: September 16, 2013, 05:28:53 pm »
Quote from: axismundi;121923
I love it when you types do your 'bad deed for the day'.

Satanism of whatever brand is as irrelevant as Christianity now.

As an aside

Liber Al II: 24; "......on the low men trample in the fierce lust of your pride, in the day of your wrath."

Back to the discussion.
I admit I have crushed only 2 Satanist thus far with 'The Art'.  Do the cult of self thing as much as you like but try to restrict any Thelemite's True Will and you and Mr Satan will have big problems.

 
Funny how you presume to know my "type", lol.

I'm not a Satanist or O9A.  TC was interested in "Satanism" and I pointed him in the strongest direction.  

And in posting on this thread, I was not out to commit a "bad deed".  If I was out to do that I'd get off the internet and out into the world to get malevolently creative.  Here though I chose to enlighten TC to something he might find very useful.

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Re: Theistic Satanism, Help?
« Reply #21 on: September 16, 2013, 05:52:18 pm »
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Sweetie, you're the one spewing the B-movie propaganda.  I'm the one laughing at you for parroting it.

 

You're only saying that because you don't understand the true EVILZ of REAL Satanism.

For your benefit, I have filled this Summer's Eve bottle with brimstone and Ron Paul newsletters.

Educate yourself. :o
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Re: Theistic Satanism, Help?
« Reply #22 on: September 16, 2013, 05:55:55 pm »
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You're only saying that because you don't understand the true EVILZ of REAL Satanism.

For your benefit, I have filled this Summer's Eve bottle with brimstone and Ron Paul newsletters.

Educate yourself. :o

 
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Re: Theistic Satanism, Help?
« Reply #23 on: September 16, 2013, 06:05:33 pm »
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Sweetie, you're the one spewing the B-movie propaganda.  I'm the one laughing at you for parroting it.

 
I have no idea what Christian B-Movies are so I don't get the reference.  You're gonna have to find another way to hurl insults.

I get the feeling you don't know a thing about O9A.  Otherwise you wouldn't confuse it with other, less extreme, and often overexaggerated forms of "Satanism."

Too bad that word still makes certain types of people think of Anton Lavey.

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Re: Theistic Satanism, Help?
« Reply #24 on: September 16, 2013, 06:12:04 pm »
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You're only saying that because you don't understand the true EVILZ of REAL Satanism.

For your benefit, I have filled this Summer's Eve bottle with brimstone and Ron Paul newsletters.

Educate yourself. :o

 
Satanism isn't evil.  A human is evil.  Most Modern Satanic movements are pathetic because they do not help a human tap into this inner evil as much as they should.  If they plan to justify everything they do as somehow "right", why even call it Satanism?

Evil for the sake of evil is almost non existent.  Except with O9A.

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Re: Theistic Satanism, Help?
« Reply #25 on: September 16, 2013, 06:32:09 pm »
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I have no idea what Christian B-Movies are so I don't get the reference.  You're gonna have to find another way to hurl insults.

I get the feeling you don't know a thing about O9A.  Otherwise you wouldn't confuse it with other, less extreme, and often overexaggerated forms of "Satanism."


I genuinely and entirely do not give a flying fuck at a rolling donut about O9A.

I am, however, amused that someone is pulling a One Twoo Satanist schtick that sounds like it came out of a Bible-banger's pulpit.  All we need are a few exorcisms and a dead pony.
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Re: Theistic Satanism, Help?
« Reply #26 on: September 16, 2013, 06:39:35 pm »
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I am, however, amused that someone is pulling a One Twoo Satanist schtick that sounds like it came out of a Bible-banger's pulpit.  All we need are a few exorcisms and a dead pony.

Unfortunately, the dead pony has been explained.
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Re: Theistic Satanism, Help?
« Reply #27 on: September 16, 2013, 06:57:31 pm »
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Unfortunately, the dead pony has been explained.

 
I'm glad someone caught the reference. ;)

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Re: Theistic Satanism, Help?
« Reply #28 on: September 16, 2013, 07:02:45 pm »
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Satanism isn't evil.  A human is evil.  Most Modern Satanic movements are pathetic because they do not help a human tap into this inner evil as much as they should.  If they plan to justify everything they do as somehow "right", why even call it Satanism?

Evil for the sake of evil is almost non existent.  Except with O9A.

 
I find that Satanism of any stripe really limits my ability to be evil by adhering to a limited idea of evil drawn from society. All of my best evil is done with the nicest intentions and therefore I'm of the opinion that the only evil worth doing is an evil that exists independently of good.
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Re: Theistic Satanism, Help?
« Reply #29 on: September 16, 2013, 07:21:50 pm »
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The form of Satanism I have the most respect for is the Order of Nine Angles, aka O9A.  

Be forewarned that this type of Satanism encourages diabolical behavior, using humans as resources often against their will, human sacrifice, violence, illegal activity, gangbanging, terror, anti-government propaganda, mass manipulation, exploitation of the weak, etc...


Well, shit, how can you not respect all that.
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