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Author Topic: The name Witchcraft is it really an Arts/Crafts type of thing?  (Read 5931 times)

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The name Witchcraft is it really an Arts/Crafts type of thing?
« on: January 20, 2013, 08:56:21 pm »
I have wondered where the name Witchcraft came from. It was not a term used in Ancient Egypt, Greece, Sumeria etc. It seems that this name is tied to Christianity and the Witch burnings.

Is Witchcraft really a Craft? To some extent I say yes... To me Craft is something that is passed on and on through generations. An example might be something like Origami, Ornamental Wreaths or making bundles of dried White Sage to banish evil spirits.

Things like potions could also be considered a Craft because they are recipes that are passed down. The only time that it doesn't become a craft, is when someone takes a "trial and error" approach when trying to produce some sort of potion that is very unique.

You only hear about Witchcraft... Things like Wizards or Sorcerers are peoples that are generally placed in the same category as Witchcraft.

What is everyone's overall thought of this? Is Witchcraft still Taboo like it was in old times? Most people have no clue what Witchcraft is, but as soon as I talk about it, they want more and more information about it. In the Middle East it's considered a death sentence if you're caught practicing Witchcraft.

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Re: The name Witchcraft is it really an Arts/Crafts type of thing?
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2013, 09:05:38 pm »
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The only time that it doesn't become a craft, is when someone takes a "trial and error" approach when trying to produce some sort of potion that is very unique.


Then how was anything new ever created?

You're not making sense.

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Re: The name Witchcraft is it really an Arts/Crafts type of thing?
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2013, 09:12:26 pm »
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Things like potions could also be considered a Craft because they are recipes that are passed down. The only time that it doesn't become a craft, is when someone takes a "trial and error" approach when trying to produce some sort of potion that is very unique.


That's really more like a science. But witchscience just doesn't have the same ring, does it?
 
Per the Online Etymology Dictionary:
Witchcraft: Old English wiccecræft, from wicce (see witch) + cræft "power, skill" (see craft).

Wicce's got a lengthy entry there if you're actually interested in possible Old English roots of the word.
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Re: The name Witchcraft is it really an Arts/Crafts type of thing?
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2013, 09:14:04 pm »
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Then how was anything new ever created?

You're not making sense.

 
Well what I'm trying to establish is whether or not practitioners branch out to "trial and error" or continue with the same recipes for salves and potions that have been passed down from Grimoires?

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« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2013, 09:21:46 pm »
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Well what I'm trying to establish is whether or not practitioners branch out to "trial and error" or continue with the same recipes for salves and potions that have been passed down from Grimoires?

 
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The name Witchcraft is it really an Arts/Crafts type of thing?
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2013, 09:25:22 pm »
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I have wondered where the name Witchcraft came from. It was not a term used in Ancient Egypt, Greece, Sumeria etc. It seems that this name is tied to Christianity and the Witch burnings.

Is Witchcraft really a Craft? To some extent I say yes... To me Craft is something that is passed on and on through generations. An example might be something like Origami, Ornamental Wreaths or making bundles of dried White Sage to banish evil spirits.

Things like potions could also be considered a Craft because they are recipes that are passed down. The only time that it doesn't become a craft, is when someone takes a "trial and error" approach when trying to produce some sort of potion that is very unique.

You only hear about Witchcraft... Things like Wizards or Sorcerers are peoples that are generally placed in the same category as Witchcraft.

What is everyone's overall thought of this? Is Witchcraft still Taboo like it was in old times? Most people have no clue what Witchcraft is, but as soon as I talk about it, they want more and more information about it. In the Middle East it's considered a death sentence if you're caught practicing Witchcraft.

My healing work, divination, etc.? NOT an ornamental wreath. I'm really beginning to wonder if you're intentionally being offensive.
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Re: The name Witchcraft is it really an Arts/Crafts type of thing?
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2013, 09:27:06 pm »
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Is Witchcraft really a Craft? To some extent I say yes... To me Craft is something that is passed on and on through generations.


You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

The word 'craft' refers to the something that requires skill in its making.  It has nothing to do with being passed on through generations.  I think you might be confusing 'craft' with the term 'tradition'.
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« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2013, 09:39:57 pm »
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You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

The word 'craft' refers to the something that requires skill in its making.  It has nothing to do with being passed on through generations.  I think you might be confusing 'craft' with the term 'tradition'.

 
Indeed.

When my kids do arts and crafts, I pull out a big box of paper, cardboard, blue, crayons etc. They make stuff. Sometimes I help them, show them things that I know how to do. Sometimes I let them get creative and just make things they want to make, to develop those skills. Sometimes we pull out books and make stuff out of them.

In the sense of Witchcraft......... yes there are things that can be taught. Often there are things from books, things from teachers. But a part of the time it comes from experimenting on your own. Some of the greatest lessons I have gotten were from my teachers telling me to figure it out on my own. (For the record - Gwyddons don't consider themselves witches, but we do call what we do a craft)
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Re: The name Witchcraft is it really an Arts/Crafts type of thing?
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2013, 09:40:14 pm »
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Well what I'm trying to establish is whether or not practitioners branch out to "trial and error" or continue with the same recipes for salves and potions that have been passed down from Grimoires?

 

Oh I see, that is not what you wrote though. I get confused by your posts because you make statements of seeming fact (that aren't ) instead of asking the questions you're really interested in, and only get to those after a bit. It confuses me, Marukai. It really does. It makes me feel like you're changing your story and tune all the time, and for a person with trust issues (I don't have one IMO, I just don't trust anybody :p) it seems more than a little deceptive. And since you do have these questions for reals (guessing), that's a shame.

It would be so much easier for me to understand what you are asking if you asked it straight out instead of making statements about things for which you admit not to have certain knowledge later. Srsly.

Okay, most every master craftsman of any kind gets to a point in their process where they are functionally literate enough to extend meaning in order to improvise and create new things. Sometimes it isn't a master that stumbles upon something, but usually a master can plumb the depths of the value of a new find more adeptly and understand how to use it in new circumstances.

There is a new netflix freebie about pipes called Degenerate Art that actually illustrates this process in regards to Snodgrass pipes and other newly developed approaches to that field. Sorry it is about a sometimes illicit product but it does do a decent job of showing how trial and error and even accidents can be part of a craft.

You can often see this process work in those challenge cooking shows too. The chefs are already masters and they do branch out in order to test themselves. And they say this even as they do it.

But everyone is different and there are probably some that do stick to the grims as concerns witchcraft.

There are scads of interesting threads here about magic. All kinds. If you looked through them some of your questions could be answered and it would save you time.

I feel kind of bad, like I have explained something very simple and that in doing so, I may have offended you, but I did not mean to.

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« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2013, 09:44:45 pm »
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Well what I'm trying to establish is whether or not practitioners branch out to "trial and error" or continue with the same recipes for salves and potions that have been passed down from Grimoires?


I haven't seen anything reliable from before the Medieval period.  Moreover, written language gets pretty ephemeral the further back you go.

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« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2013, 09:46:48 pm »
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It makes me feel like you're changing your story and tune all the time, and for a person with trust issues (I don't have one IMO, I just don't trust anybody :p) it seems more than a little deceptive.


Not to mention really exhausting to read.

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« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2013, 09:52:23 pm »
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Not to mention really exhausting to read.

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« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2013, 10:04:28 pm »
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I'm not sure why he does not ask his captive Djinn, cause they should know at their ages


Ancient, sure.  But they keep incredibly well.

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« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2013, 10:05:56 pm »
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Ancient, sure.  But they keep incredibly well.

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Re: The name Witchcraft is it really an Arts/Crafts type of thing?
« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2013, 10:14:00 pm »
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I'm not sure why he does not ask his captive Djinn, cause they should know at their ages..............


*snrk* It is a good question, though. Wouldn't beings of breath-taking ancientness. . . ness know this kind of stuff?

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