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Author Topic: Same difference or not even close?  (Read 1627 times)

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Same difference or not even close?
« on: October 11, 2013, 12:31:17 pm »
Here's a question. Do you believe all Gods and Goddesses are the same or different? Meaning, are Cernunnos and Herne the same (being both Horned Gods)? Are Nyx and Nox and Nott the same or do you think they are all separate beings?

Just curious. I've always believed they were all separate. But recently I'm starting to believe they are all different aspects of the same God or Goddess.


What's your opinion? :-)

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Re: Same difference or not even close?
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2013, 05:41:57 pm »
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Here's a question. Do you believe all Gods and Goddesses are the same or different? Meaning, are Cernunnos and Herne the same (being both Horned Gods)? Are Nyx and Nox and Nott the same or do you think they are all separate beings?

Just curious. I've always believed they were all separate. But recently I'm starting to believe they are all different aspects of the same God or Goddess.


What's your opinion? :-)

Blessings,
Elyria

 
I'm similar to you in this regard. I used to have a strong belief that all Gods and Goddesses are seperate individuals. Lately though I have come to the conclusion for myself that since I won't know for sure if they are separate beings or aspects of the same, universal divine force I can be undecided on this. I also believe that it could be possible that all deities can simultaneously be individual being and aspects of one divine force, since they are so much more powerful than humans. I hope this makes any sense :). In praxis, though, I treat the deities as individuals.

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Re: Same difference or not even close?
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2013, 06:52:45 pm »
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What's your opinion? :-)

I'm a hard polytheist. I believe that each deity is a separate entity -- although some deities are known by different names in different places.
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Re: Same difference or not even close?
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2013, 07:12:08 pm »
Quote from: Elyria;124907
Here's a question. Do you believe all Gods and Goddesses are the same or different? Meaning, are Cernunnos and Herne the same (being both Horned Gods)? Are Nyx and Nox and Nott the same or do you think they are all separate beings?

Just curious. I've always believed they were all separate. But recently I'm starting to believe they are all different aspects of the same God or Goddess.


What's your opinion? :-)

Blessings,
Elyria


I consider my Gods to be unique beings to which I have individual relationships. However, I also consider each of Them to be part of ‘that which cannot be Known’, that which lies beyond human comprehension, understanding and definition.  Years ago, I used to define this Unknown monolithically as an uber-deity but now I accept that the Unknown lies beyond any naming, definition or personification that I can project. The Unknown simply Is. That which I can know about the Unknown are my Gods that have forged relationships with me and I with Them.
 
I also hold two perhaps contradictory positions based on one of the foundation principles of my practice. That what we do is more important than what we believe. So first, context matters because it shapes what we do. We today do not worship Nxy in the same context(s) in which She was worshipped in ancient times. That shapes what we do today in a relationship with this goddess. And second, if what one does is more important, then whether one identifies the Horned God to whom one's ‘doing’ relates as either Cernuous or Herne isn’t as important. Which Name it might be perhaps may depend on what is more appropriate in a specific context.

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Re: Same difference or not even close?
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2013, 08:18:24 pm »
Quote from: Elyria;124907
Here's a question. Do you believe all Gods and Goddesses are the same or different? Meaning, are Cernunnos and Herne the same (being both Horned Gods)? Are Nyx and Nox and Nott the same or do you think they are all separate beings?

Just curious. I've always believed they were all separate. But recently I'm starting to believe they are all different aspects of the same God or Goddess.


What's your opinion? :-)

Blessings,
Elyria


I think this is an interesting thing to ponder, but that is all I am qualified to do. I haven't studied/experienced enough to say "I know for a fact..." but I am drawn more toward the idea of there being separate divine beings. I was raised in a strict monotheistic home and the idea of multiple deities seemed strange at first.
I lean more poly now because it explains the inconsistencies I see in the world. Things like "God is love" yet why would God be content to watch his creations suffer? A BIG deal breaker for me in regards to Christianity was the story of Job.
I feel things make more sense with multiple deities that have different personalities, motives, and ways of accomplishing their goals.

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Re: Same difference or not even close?
« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2013, 09:56:40 pm »
Quote from: Elyria;124907
Here's a question. Do you believe all Gods and Goddesses are the same or different? Meaning, are Cernunnos and Herne the same (being both Horned Gods)? Are Nyx and Nox and Nott the same or do you think they are all separate beings?

Just curious. I've always believed they were all separate. But recently I'm starting to believe they are all different aspects of the same God or Goddess.


What's your opinion? :-)

Blessings,
Elyria

 
I'm a polytheist, and generally treat all gods as separate beings until/unless directed otherwise, or my experience leads me to believe otherwise. Certainly, Hermes and Mercurius are one and the same to me, for all intents and purposes, but Aset and Isis are much more separate to me, even though they share some of the same sort of energy.

Personally, I feel inclined to treat Cernnunos and Herne separately, if I ever worked with either of them, though I'm somewhat inclined to treat Nyx/Nox/Nott as the same being, don't ask me why. But if treating them all as aspects of a greater divinity makes sense to you, don't let me talk you out of it. There's more than one way to relate to the gods. Go with whatever works for you.
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Re: Same difference or not even close?
« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2013, 10:08:34 pm »
I guess you could say I believe that each deity is a separate being in the same way I believe each human is a separate being.

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I lean more poly now because it explains the inconsistencies I see in the world. Things like "God is love" yet why would God be content to watch his creations suffer? A BIG deal breaker for me in regards to Christianity was the story of Job.
I feel things make more sense with multiple deities that have different personalities, motives, and ways of accomplishing their goals.

 
I definitely feel that way, too. Of course, when I sensed the presence of the Christian God myself, I did not feel any of that conflict; my UPG was that He was simply a path-lighter, way-shower, a god of wisdom. It seemed like a very benevolent, yet at the same time slightly ambivalent energy that left me thinking, 'so where did all of that stuff in the Bible come from?'
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Re: Same difference or not even close?
« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2013, 10:34:25 pm »
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Here's a question. Do you believe all Gods and Goddesses are the same or different? Meaning, are Cernunnos and Herne the same (being both Horned Gods)? Are Nyx and Nox and Nott the same or do you think they are all separate beings?

 
When I was new to paganism, I was a soft polytheist, and then a hard polytheist. I only found myself shifting more towards panentheism with a lack of an anthropomorphic deity within the past few months. However, I am slowly finding that I still have one foot in back in polytheistic beliefs.

As an answer to your question: I suppose I believe the gods to be different anthropomorphized aspects of whatever Divine force that is around us. So, ah, I suppose this leaves me somewhere in the middle!

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Re: Same difference or not even close?
« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2013, 10:57:17 pm »
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I'm a polytheist, and generally treat all gods as separate beings until/unless directed otherwise, or my experience leads me to believe otherwise. Certainly, Hermes and Mercurius are one and the same to me, for all intents and purposes, but Aset and Isis are much more separate to me, even though they share some of the same sort of energy.

Personally, I feel inclined to treat Cernnunos and Herne separately, if I ever worked with either of them, though I'm somewhat inclined to treat Nyx/Nox/Nott as the same being, don't ask me why. But if treating them all as aspects of a greater divinity makes sense to you, don't let me talk you out of it. There's more than one way to relate to the gods. Go with whatever works for you.

 
This is basically exactly what I mean. I feel like some are the exact same deity, with just different names (like Nyx/Nox/Nott), but others are completely separate (like Cernunnos and Herne).

I was just curious as to other people's view on things. I always like to get a different perspective on things. =)


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Re: Same difference or not even close?
« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2013, 07:06:01 am »
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I consider my Gods to be unique beings to which I have individual relationships. However, I also consider each of Them to be part of ‘that which cannot be Known’, that which lies beyond human comprehension, understanding and definition.

 
Out of all the different theological positions on this topic, this is only one that we know for sure was held by some ancient polytheists.

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Re: Same difference or not even close?
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2013, 05:09:10 pm »
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Here's a question. Do you believe all Gods and Goddesses are the same or different? Meaning, are Cernunnos and Herne the same (being both Horned Gods)? Are Nyx and Nox and Nott the same or do you think they are all separate beings?



Gods are symbols; their  names differ because different nations speak different languages.

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Same difference or not even close?
« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2013, 12:16:17 pm »
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Gods are symbols; their  names differ because different nations speak different languages.

In your opinion Gods are symbols. Some of us consider them to be actual beings
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Re: Same difference or not even close?
« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2013, 06:47:38 pm »
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I'm a polytheist, and generally treat all gods as separate beings until/unless directed otherwise, or my experience leads me to believe otherwise.

This, pretty much. And there have been a few times that my experiences have led me to believe that some gods or goddesses are the same as others--Cernunnos, Pan, the Green Man, and Faunus being a linked group that I've especially seen.
But generally, I assume that they're separate beings.

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Same difference or not even close?
« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2013, 02:23:21 am »
Quote from: Elyria;124907
Here's a question. Do you believe all Gods and Goddesses are the same or different? Meaning, are Cernunnos and Herne the same (being both Horned Gods)? Are Nyx and Nox and Nott the same or do you think they are all separate beings?

In general, I believe the gods are all individual beings.  But, like humans, I believe one entity could be known to different groups of people by different (more or less etymologically similar names -- just like I'm known as Aster online, but by my given name to professional contacts, by a nickname to friends and family, as Mom to my kids, and by an endearment to my husband.

For example, I believe Brighid is the ancient Irish name for the entity who personifies a particular energy, and that this same entity was known to a group in the Bath area of Britain as Sulis, to the Romans as Vesta, to the people in the Baltic region as Suale, etc.  

But this entity is decidedly NOT the same entity as the one who was called the Morrigan by the Irish, for example (although I do think there are connections between Brighid and tM). So, what I'm suggesting is NOT the same thing as "all gods are one god, all goddesses are one goddess."

However, I also believe that identity and relationships are very fluid for the gods, so it might not be all that helpful to compare the gods' identities and relationships to the way human identity and relationship work.

Just my $0.02.
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Re: Same difference or not even close?
« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2013, 05:08:53 pm »
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Some of us consider them to be actual beings


Your point in stating the obvious? This is quite clear by other posts I have read here over a year. And what was the reason for saying that my opinion was an opinion? Why such redundancy? Or, do you just not like having materialists around? Am I hurting your belief that you are right?

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