Sacred Sex

[SonofPan]

Of course it all comes down to food! I'd take chocolate (and its guaranteed satisfaction) over sex any day! :p

 
The Aztecs used chocolate in sexual rituals and for the upper echelon of society.

[HeartShadow]

food *is* sex, in the sense that I am talking about : all kinds, we can eat anything from light to little rocks to garlic mustard
I mean, it goes into us, we go into it at some point
we are one!

 
I'm not sure what world you're working with, but in this one, eating rocks just doesn't work.  I need human-digestible food.  Because, y'know, I'm human.

Reality always wins.

[Tana]

I'm not sure what world you're working with, but in this one, eating rocks just doesn't work.  I need human-digestible food.  Because, y'know, I'm human.

Reality always wins.

Oh but Shad. You can actually eat anything.
Well, some stuff only once and then you eat never again, but hey... no risk, no fun.

[Nomad of Nowhere]

Of course it all comes down to food! I'd take chocolate (and its guaranteed satisfaction) over sex any day! :p

You know, to me food is somewhat sacred. I still maintain the habit of giving thanks before eating, albeit mentally. Not only that, but many of the pagan celebrations I've had with my friends focus on good food, specially cooked so that we can feast on the occasion.  I have a sense that it connects me to the rest of the life forms on this planet. Likewise, I think just about anything that ties into the cycle of life and death can be seen as sacred. Personally, sex will probably seem more sacred to me if I'm actually reproducing, which I have no intention of doing quite yet. Certainly, the act of creating (or helping to create) life is a far cry from just having sex in general. The two are not the same, especially in this day and age.

[Nyktipolos]

sex is the ultimate form of spirituality
everything we do, we make sacred by infusing it with humor + sexual energy
combine this with loving kindness/psychedelia, and you will never return
you will have reached the final goal of all magickal efforts and culmination of wisdom, the meaning of life
blessed be, love!

 
So.. what does this have to do with Feri? How does this tie into the Feri community? Are you a Feri initiate?

[rainbowgrower]

So.. what does this have to do with Feri? How does this tie into the Feri community? Are you a Feri initiate?

 
because we see radical fairies disrespecting themselves and one another openly, without giving any explanation other than saying they are proud, and its just like what does that mean? its cool to be proud, but if you are trying to help the world (and i've seen so much good intentioned stuff and learned so much from fairies, and radical fairies, why put yourself in bondage and then tell everyone else about it as the first thing?  doesn't that seem to go against itself?


We just want to say true sexual freedom is not about bondage, there's a
difference between love making, and bondage, people who are just
trying to manipulate others. I don't think it should be illegal (because isn't that just more of the same?), but I
do think it should be less visible to people and perhaps children who
are not even searching for that kind of thing. I question the ethics
and overall psychological consequences of using terms like 'slave'. I
have heard talk of the spiritual aspects of BDSM and linking it into a
wholistic life, but we have seen very little specific information about
this, which I also think would be greatly healing to the community,
heartfelt writing from individuals, outside of the context of pure
sex, is it really useful or has it hurt their lives? Have they just
joined a cult? I think in some cases, sadly this is true, but in
others it is not, If more could come forward with information about
this, and ethics, believe it would be greatly helpful to the world.

Also we have so many programs to get off of drugs, and apparently they could use more do to because they seem to help addicts but also harass people who use herbs and entheogens sacramentally as an alternative medicine, to treat ailments, this is not productive. The truth is psychedelics and cannabis are not physically addictive, end of story, I believe if someone comes to a group like that trying to stop using them, they should be able to but one should be forced, except in extreme situations.

Instead how about programs to try to help get people out of the BDSM lifestyle, it seems easy to get into but how do you get out? There is almost no support for this, thats not good!

BDSM seems like something that would happen because you have karma to work out, causing bondage at any level, especially if its not nessecary and unnatural is creating karma for yourself, using it to manipulate others and being almost totally lacking in virtue at the same time also compounds this.

We all have worth, we are all special and beautiful, we all can work together, what we give out, comes back to us, that makes sense. Love begets love, but bondage begets bondage.

i just think its bad feng shui, honestly, it must have some deeper kind of meaning, no? NO?

loving kindness!

be free in life, AND FREE IN LOVE!!

[Katefox]

Instead how about programs to try to help get people out of the BDSM lifestyle, it seems easy to get into but how do you get out? There is almost no support for this, thats not good!

BDSM seems like something that would happen because you have karma to work out, causing bondage at any level, especially if its not nessecary and unnatural is creating karma for yourself, using it to manipulate others and being almost totally lacking in virtue at the same time also compounds this.

We all have worth, we are all special and beautiful, we all can work together, what we give out, comes back to us, that makes sense. Love begets love, but bondage begets bondage.

i just think its bad feng shui, honestly, it must have some deeper kind of meaning, no? NO?

loving kindness!

be free in life, AND FREE IN LOVE!!

 
You really don't know anything about BDSM, do you?  Before you start telling people that their lifestyle choice is all bad karma and manipulating people (and bad feng shui...what does that even mean?), perhaps you should read up on the practices you are so quick to denigrate, hmm?  I'm not even sure where to begin...

[Catherine]

I have heard talk of the spiritual aspects of BDSM and linking it into a
wholistic life, but we have seen very little specific information about
this, which I also think would be greatly healing to the community,
heartfelt writing from individuals, outside of the context of pure
sex, is it really useful or has it hurt their lives? Have they just
joined a cult? I think in some cases, sadly this is true, but in
others it is not, If more could come forward with information about
this, and ethics, believe it would be greatly helpful to the world.

*snip*

Instead how about programs to try to help get people out of the BDSM lifestyle, it seems easy to get into but how do you get out? There is almost no support for this, thats not good!

Wow, the first semi-coherent post you make on this forum is this? Spouting bigoted opinions about an entire community of people that you clearly know nothing about. How self righteous of you.

[veggiewolf]

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be free in life, AND FREE IN LOVE!!

Be free, but only if it matches *your* definition?  That's hardly my idea of free.  No thank you.

[Darkhawk]

Instead how about programs to try to help get people out of the BDSM lifestyle, it seems easy to get into but how do you get out? There is almost no support for this, thats not good!

I'm not interested in being in service to your nasty little ideology, thanks.  You're either being unreadably incomprehensible with your carriage returns in the middle of each line you say, or you're treating me like someone who needs to be "saved".

If I wanted to be saved, I'd go hassle an evangelical church.  I'd rather get my slanderous bigotry from people who aren't too stoned to communicate.

BDSM seems like something that would happen because you have karma to work out, causing bondage at any level, especially if its not nessecary and unnatural is creating karma for yourself,

And that's why I don't give a flying fuck at a rolling donut at conforming to your will.  Your desires for me are bondage; I reject your attempt to enslave.

loving kindness!

Liar.  Your cruelty is made of hate.

[veggiewolf]

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BDSM seems like something that would happen because you have karma to work out...

Bolding is mine.  This word does not mean what you think it means.

[RandallS]

Instead how about programs to try to help get people out of the BDSM lifestyle, it seems easy to get into but how do you get out? There is almost no support for this, thats not good!

That's because most people who grow tired of the lifestyle don't need help to get out, they just stop doing it. You know like people who decide they don't like the goth lifestyle or the college student lifestyle or the corporate exec lifestyle, they just do something else.

BDSM seems like something that would happen because you have karma to work out, causing bondage at any level, especially if its not nessecary and unnatural is creating karma for yourself, using it to manipulate others and being almost totally lacking in virtue at the same time also compounds this.

It sounds like you have no real understanding of BDSM or karma. Neither work like your postings claim.

[Valdi]

Makes me think that someone has been looking at tantric sex acts and things and didn't get the whole picture.   Perhaps even delving into the Kama Sutra.

 
Possibly, possibly

Sadly tantra has a lot of misunderstandings and bad rap. I'm guessing you're aware as you've noted that isn't the whole picture.

For others who don't know, though..  sex is in tantra, yeah, but it's not all free love and literal maithuna (sex) is only under extremely rare ritual cases, even in Vamachara Tantra (Left hand path).



Kama sutra, heh. Just a self-help sex guidebook. Interesting read though.

How does this thread of sacred sex tie into Feri, however? I don't know much about Feri, so any explanation, if there is anything to explain, would be appreciated.

[Darkhawk]

How does this thread of sacred sex tie into Feri, however? I don't know much about Feri, so any explanation, if there is anything to explain, would be appreciated.

 
I would suspect that that sort of question may be better asked in a thread that wasn't started by a frothing, incoherent rant.

[rainbowgrower]

That's because most people who grow tired of the lifestyle don't need help to get out, they just stop doing it. You know like people who decide they don't like the goth lifestyle or the college student lifestyle or the corporate exec lifestyle, they just do something else.



It sounds like you have no real understanding of BDSM or karma. Neither work like your postings claim.

 
first of all my question is why would i talk about them if I didn't know anything about them, certainly I don't know everything about them, but I know because they effected my life.

I don't want anyone to be in bondage lol, that is the point of this thread, to end slavery and end bondage

i dont know why i'm being attacked

the purpose of this thread is to liberate all sentient beings completely forever