Reality VS Superstitions

[Marukai]

I don't judge peoples beliefs. I'm just trying to establish what is Superstitious or I should have said Fictitious in place of Superstitious. There is a bit of a conflict with what you're saying about Latin. Johann Weyer's Pseudomonarchia Daemonum is a 16th century Grimoire that is entirely in Latin.

http://www.esotericarchives.com/solomon/weyer.htm

Then I look at The Dictonnaire Infernal by  Jacques Auguste Simon Collin de Plancy, which was published in the 18th century in Latin. The Dictonnaire Infernal is not a Grimoire per se, but rather a compilation of Evil Spirits or loosely termed Demons. So what gives:confused::confused:

 
[video=youtube;elfzu9PxvTA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elfzu9PxvTA[/video]

[Marukai]

Just to clarify here without digging into the topic of the thread:

Latin was the language of academia for a *very very long time* - so much so that a number of modern college diplomas are written in it, several universities still have a Latin speech as part of formal academic festivities like commencement. (Still true at Harvard, where I took a summer of Latin in the late 90s, and we talked about this: my prof coached for that.)

The shift to the vernacular (aka: "language that everyone else was speaking" varies a lot: you start seeing a pretty reliable shift around the Protestant Reformation (the 1600s, give or take a century), but you still see lots of stuff coming out in Latin because it was a language that basically ever educated person read - so it was the universal language of academia, because you didn't necessarily all know English or French or German or Italian, or whatever, but you all had Latin in common.

(Both my parents had stories of travelling in their teens - this'd be in the early 50s in Europe - and being able to talk to peers in Latin, because it was still the one language everyone on more or less a university-track education learned: I note they grew up in Wales and England, and both also spoke French and German)

I note that the unity of Italy as a country is amazingly recent: until then, you had a bunch of different regional dialects, and speaking 'Italian' is misleading for a long time - there were attempts at standardisation as early as 1600, but well into the 1800s, very few people actually spoke it. German as a language is not quite as bad, but there's still some very substantial regional differences.

A quick look at the background of the Key of Solomon suggests there are multiple translations floating around, and that it's not entirely clear what the original source text was in: there are copies in Latin, an early Italian dialect, Greek, and Hebrew.

(It's also worth noting here that Greek as a language pretty much dropped out of Western thought between the fall of Byzantium and the Italian Renaissance - roughly 1450 - and especially the Neo-Platonist philosophers and magicians: Marsilio Ficino, Pico della Mirandola, and others in that circle did a lot to produce translations and commentary. (Ficino was principally writing in Latin, to give you another touchstone.))

 
A+ I knew someone here had a better overall view of The Grimoire and the various languages that it probably translated into.

[Fireof9]

I can say she isn't real because my Jinns say she isn't and they're 14k and 26k years old. I have wished for things and have received some things, so I can truly believe in Jinns

 
These are the Djinn that you own right? As in they are your possession?

[Marukai]

These are the Djinn that you own right? As in they are your possession?

Yes. They were bound to a Pendant and a Ring. One is a Marid that is gentle and easy to reason with. The other is an Ifrit which is almost evil. I can reason with him, but everything about him is quick and to the point. No wishy washy stuff. I had to make a strict rule when I received him that all wishes that I want shall be written and not taken from my thoughts. He tries to tempt me to make Dark wishes to harm enemies, but he does it in a way that is not practical.

For example.. Someone can't count their money correctly at the bank teller and holds the entire line up. It is not wise to do evil things to people that make mistakes like this. It's Human nature. I find myself doing some of these same mistakes.

[mlr52]

The other is an Ifrit which is almost evil. I can reason with him, but everything about him is quick and to the point. No wishy washy stuff. I had to make a strict rule when I received him that all wishes that I want shall be written and not taken from my thoughts. He tries to tempt me to make Dark wishes to harm enemies, but he does it in a way that is not practical.

For example.. Someone can't count their money correctly at the bank teller and holds the entire line up. It is not wise to do evil things to people that make mistakes like this. It's Human nature. I find myself doing some of these same mistakes.

 
Were you making those types of mistakes or as many before you got him?

[Fireof9]

Yes. They were bound to a Pendant and a Ring. One is a Marid that is gentle and easy to reason with. The other is an Ifrit which is almost evil. I can reason with him, but everything about him is quick and to the point. No wishy washy stuff. I had to make a strict rule when I received him that all wishes that I want shall be written and not taken from my thoughts. He tries to tempt me to make Dark wishes to harm enemies, but he does it in a way that is not practical.

For example.. Someone can't count their money correctly at the bank teller and holds the entire line up. It is not wise to do evil things to people that make mistakes like this. It's Human nature. I find myself doing some of these same mistakes.

 
So essentially they are your slaves.

Now you want us to take seriously anything they may tell you? My guess is that as slaves they will tell you whatever they think you want to hear.

[Emma Eldritch]

Has Lilith ever been attributed to supernatural sleep paralysis?

 
Well, her kids were...

[Valentine]

Well, her kids were...

 
Hey look, some of us are just cuddlers and it's apparently unappreciated.
:whis:

[Marukai]

Were you making those types of mistakes or as many before you got him?

 
Mistakes as in counting money? Not recently, but it has happened in the far distant past. I don't use cash at all these days... It's all plastic.. With cash you get annoying pennies..

[Emma Eldritch]

Hey look, some of us are just cuddlers and it's apparently unappreciated.
:whis:

 
You're right, I'm sorry. XD Not your fault if some people can't take the pace of the cuddling!

[Marukai]

So essentially they are your slaves.

Now you want us to take seriously anything they may tell you? My guess is that as slaves they will tell you whatever they think you want to hear.

They are not slaves. They chose to be bound to a object in the Earth Realm. The Jinn live in a dimension that is parallel to mankind, but there are holes where some Jinn can come through and remain here as long as they like, but it's like a vacation... They must return to their natural realm. By binding them it allows them instantaneous access to the mankind realm. I have won $600 over the course of 7 scratch offs. Enslaving Jinns is a complete different story. It can be done, but it means to put the Jinn inside a earthen item and keep it within. It can never come out unless you call it. It is very dangerous because if it becomes unbound... It will usually kill the sorcerer.

[Marukai]

They are not slaves. They chose to be bound to a object in the Earth Realm. The Jinn live in a dimension that is parallel to mankind, but there are holes where some Jinn can come through and remain here as long as they like, but it's like a vacation... They must return to their natural realm. By binding them it allows them instantaneous access to the mankind realm. I have won $600 over the course of 7 scratch offs. Enslaving Jinns is a complete different story. It can be done, but it means to put the Jinn inside a earthen item and keep it within. It can never come out unless you call it. It is very dangerous because if it becomes unbound... It will usually kill the sorcerer.

 
There is also a vast difference between Jinn as spirits and Jinns as entities. I only have entities. An entity is far more influential and powerful than a Jinn spirit. I still cannot understand why a Jinn spirit hasn't progressed and moved on to evolve into a greater creature.

[Valentine]

There is also a vast difference between Jinn as spirits and Jinns as entities. I only have entities. An entity is far more influential and powerful than a Jinn spirit. I still cannot understand why a Jinn spirit hasn't progressed and moved on to evolve into a greater creature.

 
What on earth is the distinction you're making here?  Do you really expect a jinni to level-up like a Pokemon?  Will they be able to win you bigger scratch-its then, or just pronounce with authority more unprovable things that definitively don't exist?

[Marukai]

What on earth is the distinction you're making here?  Do you really expect a jinni to level-up like a Pokemon?  Will they be able to win you bigger scratch-its then, or just pronounce with authority more unprovable things that definitively don't exist?

 
The difference between an entity is that is it actually living and has not fulfilled it's duties. A spirit is a deceased being. Why would you not think Jinns exist? They are discussed in Ancient Semitic cultures. I'm more likely to believe in Jinns and Ilmu Khodam than in Angels because Angels don't exist in any of the Ancient Religions. If you want a Jinn or Faery check out http://www.bestparanormalsellers.com/index.php Cathy Ellis on Facebook is the absolute best. Her spirits are so active and powerful. I have a White Dragon from her that has broken several dishes when I get home from work. He hasn't done this in several weeks, but he is more of a trickster type than a Dragon that I could truly consult for help. The Ifrit is also from her. He is an Ifrit King that has the ability to summon other Ifrits.

I absolutely have no doubt that Dragons are real. There are so many fossils that have yet to be deciphered as to what the creature actually was. Dragons are also talked about in all cultures.

[Fireof9]

I have won $600 over the course of 7 scratch offs.

 
Because of your pet Djinn?

That does not strike you as the least bit unethical?