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Draconic Wicca
« on: July 16, 2013, 10:09:26 pm »
I have come across the term "Draconic Wiccan" from time to time online, but haven't come across too much material on it.  Does anyone know anything about this path?  Are the dragons a new deity concept or based on something older?
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Re: Draconic Wicca
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2013, 10:15:53 pm »
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I have come across the term "Draconic Wiccan" from time to time online, but haven't come across too much material on it.  Does anyone know anything about this path?  Are the dragons a new deity concept or based on something older?

 
Actually, my first thought when reading the thread title was "So placing the athame in the wrong position is a capital offense?"

That aside, I think dragons were/are considered divine beings in Japan and -- I think-- China, though I'm more inclined to think a Draconic Wicca was created by someone really into modern fantasy for some reason.


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Re: Draconic Wicca
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2013, 11:08:40 pm »
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That aside, I think dragons were/are considered divine beings in Japan and -- I think-- China,

 
I'm pretty sure it got started in China, actually.  To the best of my knowledge, the association of the dragon with heaven is originally from Taoism.

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Re: Draconic Wicca
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2013, 01:38:11 am »
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I'm pretty sure it got started in China, actually.  To the best of my knowledge, the association of the dragon with heaven is originally from Taoism.

 
Do you have anything to back this up? I'm just curious because I tried looking up Draconic Wicca and found really nothing in relation to Chinese dragons, just a lot of stuff conflating (mostly neo-)Wicca and popular dragon fantasy.
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Re: Draconic Wicca
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2013, 08:03:43 am »
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Do you have anything to back this up? I'm just curious because I tried looking up Draconic Wicca and found really nothing in relation to Chinese dragons, just a lot of stuff conflating (mostly neo-)Wicca and popular dragon fantasy.

I think much of it probably comes from a D.J. Conway book: Dancing with Dragons. While I've never read this book, I suspect it is like most Conway Wicca books: the same basic ritual material that had search/replace used on it to put dragon stuff in. (Okay, probably not literal search/replace but the effect is the same.)
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Re: Draconic Wicca
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2013, 12:56:14 pm »
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I think much of it probably comes from a D.J. Conway book: Dancing with Dragons. While I've never read this book, I suspect it is like most Conway Wicca books: the same basic ritual material that had search/replace used on it to put dragon stuff in. (Okay, probably not literal search/replace but the effect is the same.)

 
This is my opinion on the matter too, I've never seen any other books written regarding it before either. That being said, there are people who base their beliefs, practices, and honor codes on dragons- if you're interested in it anyway.

I don't have the links anymore, but there are a few decent blogs that go into it a bit that would probably out at you if you googled dragons and paganism or something like that. :)

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Re: Draconic Wicca
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2013, 03:51:10 pm »
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I have come across the term "Draconic Wiccan" from time to time online, but haven't come across too much material on it.  Does anyone know anything about this path?  Are the dragons a new deity concept or based on something older?

I have my own thoughts about dragons, mainly how it's been presented that wale skeletons and possibly even dinosaur fossils could have given an early belief of them. Misinterpretations of Mesopotamian myth as well(Tiamat sometimes described as a 'dragon,' when the legends belonged to wale hunters. An early depiction of Marduk and her is actually in the sea&wingless) How this could have evolved and crossed other cultures is heresay.....but regardless dragons are creatures of legend...

And polarity is very important in Wicca that follows two specific deities and their own myth, so I'm not sure where dragons fit into that.

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Re: Draconic Wicca
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2013, 04:11:26 pm »
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Do you have anything to back this up? I'm just curious because I tried looking up Draconic Wicca and found really nothing in relation to Chinese dragons, just a lot of stuff conflating (mostly neo-)Wicca and popular dragon fantasy.

 
Sorry, I meant 'it' as in the association of dragons being sacred in East Asia, not Draconic Wicca.  I've never heard of Draconic Wicca prior to this.  As far as I know, the dragon as a sacred symbol is originally Taoist and indigenous to China, not Japan.  The I Ching and the writings I've read analyzing it associate the dragon with heaven, but I've never seen that idea come up in any of the early Shinto myths I've read, so I think it must have only come into Japan later from China.  The first dragon-like creature that appears in Shinto mythology is pretty evil, actually.

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Re: Draconic Wicca
« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2013, 02:09:12 am »
Quote from: RandallS;115892
I think much of it probably comes from a D.J. Conway book: Dancing with Dragons. While I've never read this book, I suspect it is like most Conway Wicca books: the same basic ritual material that had search/replace used on it to put dragon stuff in. (Okay, probably not literal search/replace but the effect is the same.)

 
Oh, it is. It's terrible. My mom bought it a few years ago. :P

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