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Author Topic: More info on Gwyddon?  (Read 4266 times)

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More info on Gwyddon?
« on: August 10, 2013, 01:19:52 pm »
Hello guys, first time on here. I won't introduce myself on this post since that should probably be a whole new thread. On to the subject: I recently found the website gwyddoniad.org which has a lot of information but I can't seem to find anything else about Gwyddon, not even wikipedia lol. Do you guys know of any other websites or books that can tell me more? Or if anyone knows of a College somewhere in Virginia(Hampton roads) or Florida(Tampa bay)?

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Re: More info on Gwyddon?
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2013, 04:32:52 pm »
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Hello guys, first time on here. I won't introduce myself on this post since that should probably be a whole new thread. On to the subject: I recently found the website gwyddoniad.org which has a lot of information but I can't seem to find anything else about Gwyddon, not even wikipedia lol. Do you guys know of any other websites or books that can tell me more? Or if anyone knows of a College somewhere in Virginia(Hampton roads) or Florida(Tampa bay)?

 
Yuri, sorry I did not see this earlier.

You can follow the link in my signature to read more if that is not the site you have already read.

Gwyddon is an initiatory religion and pretty much every book available is only available you have to be a Gwyddon to get. However if you have any specific questions I would be happy to answer them either in this thread or in a pm.
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Re: More info on Gwyddon?
« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2013, 07:17:02 pm »
Quote from: Yuri;118581
Hello guys, first time on here. I won't introduce myself on this post since that should probably be a whole new thread. On to the subject: I recently found the website gwyddoniad.org which has a lot of information but I can't seem to find anything else about Gwyddon, not even wikipedia lol. Do you guys know of any other websites or books that can tell me more? Or if anyone knows of a College somewhere in Virginia(Hampton roads) or Florida(Tampa bay)?

 
Well these guys are more secretive than the Feri tradition and those guys are still pretty tight lipped about some of their most important rites and rituals. However one thing they said about blue fire indicates this may have been started by one very old school initiate of the Feri tradition. It seems to be largely a neo-Druidic sect with some Norse stuff thrown in.
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« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2013, 07:30:42 pm »
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Well these guys are more secretive than the Feri tradition and those guys are still pretty tight lipped about some of their most important rites and rituals. However one thing they said about blue fire indicates this may have been started by one very old school initiate of the Feri tradition. It seems to be largely a neo-Druidic sect with some Norse stuff thrown in.


What? Really? Hmmmmm........
Really?  So, hey, want to go fishing?  I\'ve got a telescope, and it\'s going to be a dark night, so we should see the fish really well.
...what, I\'m not talking about fishing?  That\'s stargazing?  It\'s all doing-stuff, so it\'s the same thing, right?
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Re: More info on Gwyddon?
« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2013, 07:44:25 pm »
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What? Really? Hmmmmm........

 
I cannot rightly confirm my theory as of yet, but it's not often you hear pagans or other occultists mentioning sacred blue fire explicitly in a ritual context. I could be wrong yet, but the blue flame is an important force and motif in what Feri lore I have been able to find. The secrecy of it only seems to further confirm this as despite how much is now publicly known, the Feri value secrecy and holy secrets before many other things. A fair number of Feri practioners refuse to commit anything to paper or teach anyone not seeking to become an initiate because of it. That said there are a few useful resources out there on the matter. The tradition itself has created a number of splinter traditions so it's all quite possible. However I do not have definitive proof in this case. It seems to be a strong possibility though.
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Re: More info on Gwyddon?
« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2013, 08:22:32 pm »
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I cannot rightly confirm my theory as of yet, but it's not often you hear pagans or other occultists mentioning sacred blue fire explicitly in a ritual context. I could be wrong yet, but the blue flame is an important force and motif in what Feri lore I have been able to find. The secrecy of it only seems to further confirm this as despite how much is now publicly known, the Feri value secrecy and holy secrets before many other things. A fair number of Feri practioners refuse to commit anything to paper or teach anyone not seeking to become an initiate because of it. That said there are a few useful resources out there on the matter. The tradition itself has created a number of splinter traditions so it's all quite possible. However I do not have definitive proof in this case. It seems to be a strong possibility though.

 
And you think that Gwyddon is basically an offshoot of Feri with some Norse stuff thrown in? I just want to be clear on your view here.
Really?  So, hey, want to go fishing?  I\'ve got a telescope, and it\'s going to be a dark night, so we should see the fish really well.
...what, I\'m not talking about fishing?  That\'s stargazing?  It\'s all doing-stuff, so it\'s the same thing, right?
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Re: More info on Gwyddon?
« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2013, 09:47:27 pm »
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I cannot rightly confirm my theory as of yet, but it's not often you hear pagans or other occultists mentioning sacred blue fire explicitly in a ritual context. I could be wrong yet, but the blue flame is an important force and motif in what Feri lore I have been able to find. The secrecy of it only seems to further confirm this as despite how much is now publicly known, the Feri value secrecy and holy secrets before many other things. A fair number of Feri practioners refuse to commit anything to paper or teach anyone not seeking to become an initiate because of it. That said there are a few useful resources out there on the matter. The tradition itself has created a number of splinter traditions so it's all quite possible. However I do not have definitive proof in this case. It seems to be a strong possibility though.


Actually, there are quite a few traditions with reference to blue fire, and they are not necessarily connected to one another. (There is, of all things, a National Geographic article from, I believe, April 1978, which references in relationship to the Cabot Tradition, and I know I've seen references in other places.)

The more useful takeaway, perhaps, is that lots of traditions have their own methods of doing things, and many many many of them are not discussed in public-available text, or only in ways where they do not come to the attention of many readers.

(As an example: I am the only member of my particular tradition who is more than occasionally active talking about it online, and there are a substantial number of our specific practices I just don't talk about in public spaces.)

Other useful takeaway: there are, really, only a limited number of colours people may describe magical fire as being. Red, orange, yellow are obviously likely, but blue and white are the other two plausible if you look at a fire.
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Re: More info on Gwyddon?
« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2013, 09:58:46 pm »
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Actually, there are quite a few traditions with reference to blue fire, and they are not necessarily connected to one another. (There is, of all things, a National Geographic article from, I believe, April 1978, which references in relationship to the Cabot Tradition, and I know I've seen references in other places.)

The more useful takeaway, perhaps, is that lots of traditions have their own methods of doing things, and many many many of them are not discussed in public-available text, or only in ways where they do not come to the attention of many readers.

(As an example: I am the only member of my particular tradition who is more than occasionally active talking about it online, and there are a substantial number of our specific practices I just don't talk about in public spaces.)

Other useful takeaway: there are, really, only a limited number of colours people may describe magical fire as being. Red, orange, yellow are obviously likely, but blue and white are the other two plausible if you look at a fire.

 
Well said Jenett.

 I was going to wait for a response from Riot, cause TBH, I am not really sure where he is talking about Gwyddon and where he talking about Feri......

Gwyddons are not really secretive. We simply will not give anyone a physical copy of our books of teaching unless they are a member. This is more to protect the information in those books from being altered by a non Gwyddon than it is about some great secret we are holding onto.

We don't have a Wiki page, cause well.... we don't care to have one. We are not out there trying to convert anyone and we don't track our numbers. I actually have zero idea how many practicing Gwyddons there are in North America. I know who the people in my college are. Generally speaking the over all we would view the matter as, if you are meant to be Gwyddon, you will find us. (this reminds me a lot of a lecture I got about Feri on the old board so I apologize for being a demanding little prick in that thread)

We are not an offshoot of Feri. From what I know of Feri, I can see some similarities, but thats about it. I could say the same about many different religions. We are not Neo-Druids. We do have a degree called Druid, but it is something very different than the neo- Druid movement. Not better, not worse, just different. Gwyddon is not an earth based religion really in any way other than we believe the earth is a part of the All and therefore should be treated with respect and dignity. But we would say the same thing about just about anything. I am at a loss where someone would get the Nordic part from unless they have been reading my posts. I am the only Gwyddon I know of that leans heavily towards Nordic deity.

Further more - just for clarity, there is American Gwyddon and there is the fam-trad in Wales. Not the same thing.
Really?  So, hey, want to go fishing?  I\'ve got a telescope, and it\'s going to be a dark night, so we should see the fish really well.
...what, I\'m not talking about fishing?  That\'s stargazing?  It\'s all doing-stuff, so it\'s the same thing, right?
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Re: More info on Gwyddon?
« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2013, 12:04:19 pm »
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Yuri, sorry I did not see this earlier.

You can follow the link in my signature to read more if that is not the site you have already read.

Gwyddon is an initiatory religion and pretty much every book available is only available you have to be a Gwyddon to get. However if you have any specific questions I would be happy to answer them either in this thread or in a pm.

 
I had given up on this thread because no one replied lol I just mistakenly clicked the bookmark. I will sent you a pm with some questions later on. Thank you.

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« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2013, 04:01:57 pm »
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Further more - just for clarity, there is American Gwyddon and there is the fam-trad in Wales. Not the same thing.


Thank you for saying this!

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Re: More info on Gwyddon?
« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2013, 06:15:03 pm »
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Well said Jenett. ......

 .......

Further more - just for clarity, there is American Gwyddon and there is the fam-trad in Wales. Not the same thing.

 
Here in Wales the rumour is that the Gwyddons called themselves that because they all lived in a street with the word Gwyddon in it.

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Re: More info on Gwyddon?
« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2013, 09:08:13 pm »
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Gwyddons are not really secretive. We simply will not give anyone a physical copy of our books of teaching unless they are a member. This is more to protect the information in those books from being altered by a non Gwyddon than it is about some great secret we are holding onto.

 
This is interesting.  Can you explain a bit more?  Do you not want the books altered so that people are less able to change them and pass them off as authentic?  Or is it that you find the written word itself special?  Something else?

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« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2013, 09:56:49 pm »
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Thank you for saying this!

 
LOL Your welcome. Though from the little I know of Welsh Gwyddonics, it is fascinating in its differences and the similarities.
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« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2013, 09:57:29 pm »
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Here in Wales the rumour is that the Gwyddons called themselves that because they all lived in a street with the word Gwyddon in it.

 
Which ones? The American ones or the Welsh ones?
Really?  So, hey, want to go fishing?  I\'ve got a telescope, and it\'s going to be a dark night, so we should see the fish really well.
...what, I\'m not talking about fishing?  That\'s stargazing?  It\'s all doing-stuff, so it\'s the same thing, right?
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Re: More info on Gwyddon?
« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2013, 10:02:26 pm »
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This is interesting.  Can you explain a bit more?  Do you not want the books altered so that people are less able to change them and pass them off as authentic?  Or is it that you find the written word itself special?  Something else?

 
I would say a combination of the two.  What is written is very special to us hence we don't want it altered and then passed off as authentic. From the history as I know it, it has happened before and the results where not very good.
Really?  So, hey, want to go fishing?  I\'ve got a telescope, and it\'s going to be a dark night, so we should see the fish really well.
...what, I\'m not talking about fishing?  That\'s stargazing?  It\'s all doing-stuff, so it\'s the same thing, right?
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