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Author Topic: Indo-Eurpoean Astrology VS Chinese Zodiac  (Read 1053 times)

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Indo-Eurpoean Astrology VS Chinese Zodiac
« on: December 21, 2012, 03:00:55 pm »
I would like to get everyone view of these 2 systems. I am much more inclined to believe in the Indo-European Astrology because all of the Scorpio traits match my personality. In the Chinese Zodiac I am a Boar. It's conflicting because the Chinese Zodiac focuses in birth year, while Indo-European Astrology is entirely based off of the Earth rotation cycles and the stars. The stars are billions if not trillions of years older than mankind. I am also conflicted because none of the other North Eastern Asian countries use this Zodiac system. The Japanese and Koreans do not. This upcoming year is the year of the Snake. 2012 was the year of the Dragon. Is there some truth to this. Please explain...

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Re: Indo-Eurpoean Astrology VS Chinese Zodiac
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2012, 04:00:10 pm »
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I would like to get everyone view of these 2 systems. I am much more inclined to believe in the Indo-European Astrology because all of the Scorpio traits match my personality. In the Chinese Zodiac I am a Boar. It's conflicting because the Chinese Zodiac focuses in birth year, while Indo-European Astrology is entirely based off of the Earth rotation cycles and the stars. The stars are billions if not trillions of years older than mankind. I am also conflicted because none of the other North Eastern Asian countries use this Zodiac system. The Japanese and Koreans do not. This upcoming year is the year of the Snake. 2012 was the year of the Dragon. Is there some truth to this. Please explain...

 
The modern idea equating personality with signs of the zodiac is just that - modern. (I've heard an argument from an astrologer whose work I otherwise found proved out that it was due to anti-divination laws in the 1950s that we got the whole "zodiac personality" thing grafted on.)

Historical European astrology is much more about looking at macrocosm patterns and using them to be aware of more specific effects and tendencies. Not "I am an Virgo, so I am a hyper-organised detail person." (though, um, I am), but "this combination of stars - looking at the *whole sky, not just sun sign* suggests that I want to pay attention to these tendencies in my life."

I find that the placement of my Moon in Aries (tendency to start strong and peter out on tasks if I'm not careful), and the interrelationship of planets in my chart (especially what that means for communication/interaction with others) tends to play a much bigger role in my daily life than my sun sign.

Likewise, when I look at electional astrology (the "X is a good day for Y" stuff) I find it's helpful to know that I want to be extra careful with clear communication, for example. But that doesn't say anything about me as a person, or even the larger culture, necessarily. (And I don't weight it unduly: it is likely never to be *bad* for me to be more careful about communication, but advice that might cause me harm gets a lot of extra checking, the same way advice in ritual that might cause problems does.)

Anyway, by this mechanic, other systems may be just as effective - they're just showing you different pieces of the scale of time/different areas of focus/etc. Which ones are useful to you is going to depend on your cultural context, your personal interest, and the stuff you're especially looking at help/ideas/etc. with.
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Re: Indo-Eurpoean Astrology VS Chinese Zodiac
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2012, 08:27:56 pm »
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The modern idea equating personality with signs of the zodiac is just that - modern. (I've heard an argument from an astrologer whose work I otherwise found proved out that it was due to anti-divination laws in the 1950s that we got the whole "zodiac personality" thing grafted on.)

Historical European astrology is much more about looking at macrocosm patterns and using them to be aware of more specific effects and tendencies. Not "I am an Virgo, so I am a hyper-organised detail person." (though, um, I am), but "this combination of stars - looking at the *whole sky, not just sun sign* suggests that I want to pay attention to these tendencies in my life."


I find that the placement of my Moon in Aries (tendency to start strong and peter out on tasks if I'm not careful), and the interrelationship of planets in my chart (especially what that means for communication/interaction with others) tends to play a much bigger role in my daily life than my sun sign.

Likewise, when I look at electional astrology (the "X is a good day for Y" stuff) I find it's helpful to know that I want to be extra careful with clear communication, for example. But that doesn't say anything about me as a person, or even the larger culture, necessarily. (And I don't weight it unduly: it is likely never to be *bad* for me to be more careful about communication, but advice that might cause me harm gets a lot of extra checking, the same way advice in ritual that might cause problems does.)

Anyway, by this mechanic, other systems may be just as effective - they're just showing you different pieces of the scale of time/different areas of focus/etc. Which ones are useful to you is going to depend on your cultural context, your personal interest, and the stuff you're especially looking at help/ideas/etc. with.

 
So would you say that the Chinese Zodiac is BS:D: lol?

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Re: Indo-Eurpoean Astrology VS Chinese Zodiac
« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2012, 08:35:05 pm »
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So would you say that the Chinese Zodiac is BS:D: lol?

 
I believe she went to rather a lot of words to say something completely different.  Generally, when people go to a lot of effort to write things it's considered polite to actually read what they said.
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Re: Indo-Eurpoean Astrology VS Chinese Zodiac
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2012, 09:17:32 pm »
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I believe she went to rather a lot of words to say something completely different.  Generally, when people go to a lot of effort to write things it's considered polite to actually read what they said.

 
As is often the case, Darkhawk is entirely correct here.

Slightly longer version: I did not in fact say that. I also note that not all modern inventions are bad things - I happen to by typing on one of those. However, I believe that complex systems work better when people recognise their complexity, rather than trying to satisfy themselves with overly simple answers.

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