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Author Topic: Witchcraft: Feri Tradition and Finding a Teacher  (Read 602 times)

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Feri Tradition and Finding a Teacher
« on: March 02, 2019, 10:32:41 am »
I have studied Feri since I was a teenager as far as I could through books and the internet, but lately I've been feeling like I should make it official and find a teacher and maybe pursue initiation. Considering it is mostly based on the west coast of the US, being in Ontario, Canada is kind of remote. Even Toronto has a pretty pathetic pagan community, with only a few organized traditions represented. I have some contact with a Garnderian coven, although it doesn't feel very traditional, and the people involved are very stereotypically pagan, in that many of them are dealing with mental illness, poverty, obesity, are pushing 40 and dressing like angsty teenagers, etc. I don't mean to sound judgmental, I just don't know if it's a healthy community for me, or if what is going on is truly healthy for the people already involved, either.

My struggles with the Roman Catholic Church have peaked lately and I think I've finally had enough. I might still attend high Anglican liturgies, but not so much because I believe in the faith, but because the aesthetics and the music do lend themselves to a spiritual state of mind. At the core, I'm a universalist and I do feel that all religions are different methods of understanding the same divine presence. I think paganism is best suited for me, though I find the community aspect in real life disappointing so far, and my heart has always been in Feri, but finding like-minded people and someone to give me proper training is ever the struggle.

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Re: Feri Tradition and Finding a Teacher
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2019, 01:42:36 pm »
I have studied Feri since I was a teenager as far as I could through books and the internet, but lately I've been feeling like I should make it official and find a teacher and maybe pursue initiation. Considering it is mostly based on the west coast of the US, being in Ontario, Canada is kind of remote. Even Toronto has a pretty pathetic pagan community, with only a few organized traditions represented. I have some contact with a Garnderian coven, although it doesn't feel very traditional, and the people involved are very stereotypically pagan, in that many of them are dealing with mental illness, poverty, obesity, are pushing 40 and dressing like angsty teenagers, etc. I don't mean to sound judgmental, I just don't know if it's a healthy community for me, or if what is going on is truly healthy for the people already involved, either.

My struggles with the Roman Catholic Church have peaked lately and I think I've finally had enough. I might still attend high Anglican liturgies, but not so much because I believe in the faith, but because the aesthetics and the music do lend themselves to a spiritual state of mind. At the core, I'm a universalist and I do feel that all religions are different methods of understanding the same divine presence. I think paganism is best suited for me, though I find the community aspect in real life disappointing so far, and my heart has always been in Feri, but finding like-minded people and someone to give me proper training is ever the struggle.

I don't know much about Feri. Part of my understanding of it is that it is a Tradition that seems to require face-to-face interaction in some sort of community of initiates or one-on-one with a Teacher. So, I think you are probably taking a natural next step into that Tradition. I wish you luck with it.

The main reason that I wanted to respond to your post was that I am also a Universalist. I have a similar view of religion as different ways of approaching the Divine, the Sacred. Anyway, I just wanted to note that.


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Re: Feri Tradition and Finding a Teacher
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2019, 07:02:44 pm »
[...] many of them are dealing with mental illness, poverty, obesity, are pushing 40 and dressing like angsty teenagers, etc. I don't mean to sound judgmental, I just don't know if it's a healthy community for me, or if what is going on is truly healthy for the people already involved, either.

Is there some reason you would expect that someone with ties to the Feri community would want to recommend someone with this sort of opinion of others?  Or that an initiate would want to tackle a student with this much blatant, unexamined personal baggage?

A Feri circle is an amplifier and enhances what people bring into it.  If you can say such things just pattering away on the internet in neutral space, what will come out of your mouth in a Feri circle?  What poison will you introduce into the magic?  What will you do to sabotage the people who trusted you to not bring toxicity into that space?

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Re: Feri Tradition and Finding a Teacher
« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2019, 05:56:53 am »
I have some contact with a Garnderian coven, although it doesn't feel very traditional, and the people involved are very stereotypically pagan, in that many of them are dealing with mental illness, poverty, obesity, are pushing 40 and dressing like angsty teenagers, etc. I don't mean to sound judgmental, I just don't know if it's a healthy community for me, or if what is going on is truly healthy for the people already involved, either.

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Re: Feri Tradition and Finding a Teacher
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2019, 10:03:08 pm »
Is there some reason you would expect that someone with ties to the Feri community would want to recommend someone with this sort of opinion of others?  Or that an initiate would want to tackle a student with this much blatant, unexamined personal baggage?

A Feri circle is an amplifier and enhances what people bring into it.  If you can say such things just pattering away on the internet in neutral space, what will come out of your mouth in a Feri circle?  What poison will you introduce into the magic?  What will you do to sabotage the people who trusted you to not bring toxicity into that space?

Feri was founded by poor, disabled people.  If you don't like poor, disabled people, then you don't like Feri.

Yikes, ouch. I don't want to be poison and toxicity, although I don't recall saying I don't like anybody, just expressing concern that some pagan groups aren't always the healthiest communities, psychologically. Anyway, it's too hard to discuss anything on this forum without hysterics, so I'm out.

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Re: Feri Tradition and Finding a Teacher
« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2019, 01:19:33 am »
Yikes, ouch. I don't want to be poison and toxicity, although I don't recall saying I don't like anybody, just expressing concern that some pagan groups aren't always the healthiest communities, psychologically. Anyway, it's too hard to discuss anything on this forum without hysterics, so I'm out.

You may notice (although probably not) that people who do not come in here railing about how gross and off-putting it is to be near fat poor women who dress in fashions you don't like...are not greeted with hysterics.

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Re: Feri Tradition and Finding a Teacher
« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2019, 10:00:12 am »
You may notice (although probably not) that people who do not come in here railing about how gross and off-putting it is to be near fat poor women who dress in fashions you don't like...are not greeted with hysterics.

I'm not even touching the word "hysterics" with a ten-foot pole.  I personally don't consider it intrinsically misogynistic despite its etymology and connotations but it sure means "Wow, you are unreasonable and emotional about this" and it's so very tacky to assume emotional responses not in evidence.
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Re: Feri Tradition and Finding a Teacher
« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2019, 02:28:28 pm »
I'm not even touching the word "hysterics" with a ten-foot pole.  I personally don't consider it intrinsically misogynistic despite its etymology and connotations but it sure means "Wow, you are unreasonable and emotional about this" and it's so very tacky to assume emotional responses not in evidence.

Also, I think I'm 100% justified in having an emotional response to an insult that's about people like me. (The response I wanted to make and decided against was significantly more histrionic. Lets just say it involved a photo of me making some inappropriate hand gestures.)

Even if it's framed as "well I don't think this is healthy for youuuu" it's still concern trolling, and it's unwelcome. I will decide what spiritual practices, manner of dress, self-care and other health concerns are beneficial to my well-being, not some judgy dude on an internet forum.

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Re: Feri Tradition and Finding a Teacher
« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2019, 03:00:48 pm »
Also, I think I'm 100% justified in having an emotional response to an insult that's about people like me. (The response I wanted to make and decided against was significantly more histrionic. Lets just say it involved a photo of me making some inappropriate hand gestures.)

Even if it's framed as "well I don't think this is healthy for youuuu" it's still concern trolling, and it's unwelcome. I will decide what spiritual practices, manner of dress, self-care and other health concerns are beneficial to my well-being, not some judgy dude on an internet forum.

I'm all for lifting oneself out of poverty and becoming physically fit if possible, but for a guy who says he's from a Roman Catholic background and convinced paganism is the right path, he sure came off sounding like he belongs in some Prosperity Gospel Megachurch...

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Re: Feri Tradition and Finding a Teacher
« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2019, 04:38:14 pm »
Anyway, it's too hard to discuss anything on this forum without hysterics, so I'm out.

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