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Re: Discrimination and religious practice
« Reply #15 on: January 02, 2015, 02:07:44 pm »
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I've gotten crap from other pagans too. Someone actually called me a "fence jumper" because I was raised Christian but left the religion and eventually found my way to paganism. I thought it was funny, but she definitely meant it as an insult.

 
I find that ironic of her to even say, considering the majority of stories I hear about in paganism is those who converted from some form of Christianity/Catholicism.
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Re: Discrimination and religious practice
« Reply #16 on: January 02, 2015, 04:16:12 pm »
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Do you suffer from any form of discrimination? If yes, does/did it have any influence on your religious practice?

Not really. I was bullied in middle school, but that's a very common thing. I don't have any traits that are the typical magnets for bullying or discrimination. I'm white, heterosexual, and relatively devoid of mental disorders. I'm socially awkward, but that doesn't necessarily imply a disorder.

And I haven't experienced discrimination for being Pagan, either, now that I think about it. Scepticism, but that's understandable since I was a somewhat hardline atheist before and my family are mostly atheists.

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Re: Discrimination and religious practice
« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2015, 12:35:48 pm »
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I find that ironic of her to even say, considering the majority of stories I hear about in paganism is those who converted from some form of Christianity/Catholicism.


Well, her mother was Wiccan and so is she, so she has a bloodline or pedigree or whatever the hell it is.
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Re: Discrimination and religious practice
« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2015, 01:32:08 pm »
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Well, her mother was Wiccan and so is she, so she has a bloodline or pedigree or whatever the hell it is.
Oh.....dear. I just can't. Did no one ever tell her that most Wiccan trads aren't the kind of faith system where where one gets to brag about a bloodline stretching back to....your mom?
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Re: Discrimination and religious practice
« Reply #19 on: January 05, 2015, 05:01:45 pm »
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Oh.....dear. I just can't. Did no one ever tell her that most Wiccan trads aren't the kind of faith system where where one gets to brag about a bloodline stretching back to....your mom?


Maybe she has a bloodline stretching back to caveman days. I don't know. That's just what made her not a "fence jumper".
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Re: Discrimination and religious practice
« Reply #20 on: January 05, 2015, 05:03:23 pm »
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Maybe she has a bloodline stretching back to caveman days. I don't know. That's just what made her not a "fence jumper".
I doubt it. Wicca doesn't stretch back to caveman days.

I get her reasoning. I'm just saying it's stupid.
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Re: Discrimination and religious practice
« Reply #21 on: January 05, 2015, 06:24:52 pm »
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I doubt it. Wicca doesn't stretch back to caveman days.

I get her reasoning. I'm just saying it's stupid.

 
I agree with the point you're trying to make, but I'm pretty sure using slurs to get your point across is more insulting then useful.
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Re: Discrimination and religious practice
« Reply #22 on: January 05, 2015, 06:33:29 pm »
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I agree with the point you're trying to make, but I'm pretty sure using slurs to get your point across is more insulting then useful.
I'm sorry if "caveman" is an offensive term; I didn't realize that. The OP's post used the term, and thus I repeated the phrase for emphasis when I clarified my point. I apologize if I caused any offense.
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Re: Discrimination and religious practice
« Reply #23 on: January 05, 2015, 06:38:46 pm »
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I'm sorry if "caveman" is an offensive term; I didn't realize that. The OP's post used the term, and thus I repeated the phrase for emphasis when I clarified my point. I apologize if I caused any offense.

 
I was not meaning your use of the word "caveman", I was meaning the use of the word "stupid", even though it's a very lesser slur. I don't see the insult in the use of the word "caveman", though. I should have been clearer. So, for that, I do apologize.
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Re: Discrimination and religious practice
« Reply #24 on: January 05, 2015, 06:51:31 pm »
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Well, her mother was Wiccan and so is she, so she has a bloodline or pedigree or whatever the hell it is.

 
I am pretty sure that initiatory religions don't function like racehorses. ;)
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Re: Discrimination and religious practice
« Reply #25 on: January 05, 2015, 07:12:24 pm »
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I am pretty sure that initiatory religions don't function like racehorses. ;)

 
They both involve picking overly dramatic names, though.
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Re: Discrimination and religious practice
« Reply #26 on: January 06, 2015, 03:24:34 pm »
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Homophobia and the fact that I'm queer is the big reason I walked away from Christianity in my teens.

 
Gay former Christian here. *waves hi* Same reason I left Christianity... well, one of the reasons. About the only discrimination I'd run into as an Asatruar is mockery from my family for "being weird" for worshiping a comic book hero (in their view). :rolleye::

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Re: Discrimination and religious practice
« Reply #27 on: January 06, 2015, 03:36:28 pm »
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Ironically, my main problem is actually more about one of the advantages Aspergers has given me. My language skills are well above average; I am hyperlexic. I love words. I love language. I love stories. I think in stories. But I also tend to talk. A lot. Like, if I find someone who seems interested, I will just...talk and talk and talk. To use my mom's phrase, I will "yammer." It's something I'm trying really hard to work on, but it's just really easy for me to forget that just because the guy next to me smiled at my joke about the grocery store, doesn't mean he wants to hear a ten-minute story about the difference between Japanese and Chinese soy sauce, as interesting as it is (do you know there is a difference? Let me tell you some time. Your chicken teriyaki will be the better for it.)

I totally agree that Aspergers is NO EXCUSE for being an asshole, and I've met a number of young Aspies whose parents didn't reign them in or teach them manners, so we're on the same page here!

Cosmic Sister!!! :D: I very likely have Asperger's. I've not been clinically diagnosed but I have almost all the classic criteria for it... the language affinities, pedantry, vague references in conversation that only I understand, poor social skills, I have no friends and actually quite like it that way, I can be very me-centric in conversations, been called a walking encyclopedia, and just about all the signs. I do tend to think I am at times treated not optimally by people because my behaviors might irritate them or downright piss them off, though they can't quite put their finger on it. I do think I've been treated poorly at times for that, and for the times when it's obvious by some mannerisms that I'm gay. I do not believe I am 100% ergi, but I can tend towards it.

Sorry to seem to go off track, but I think it ties in to discrimination, especially for following a relatively unknown religious path.
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Re: Discrimination and religious practice
« Reply #28 on: January 06, 2015, 03:39:51 pm »
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Cosmic Sister!!! :D: I very likely have Asperger's. I've not been clinically diagnosed but I have almost all the classic criteria for it... the language affinities, pedantry, vague references in conversation that only I understand, poor social skills, I have no friends and actually quite like it that way, I can be very me-centric in conversations, been called a walking encyclopedia, and just about all the signs. I do tend to think I am at times treated not optimally by people because my behaviors might irritate them or downright piss them off, though they can't quite put their finger on it. I do think I've been treated poorly at times for that, and for the times when it's obvious by some mannerisms that I'm gay. I do not believe I am 100% ergi, but I can tend towards it.
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« Reply #29 on: January 09, 2015, 12:07:07 pm »
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Gay former Christian here. *waves hi* Same reason I left Christianity... well, one of the reasons. About the only discrimination I'd run into as an Asatruar is mockery from my family for "being weird" for worshiping a comic book hero (in their view). :rolleye::

 
Hey Thorbjorn! Fancy meeting you here!

Raine, I apologize if "stupid" offended you. I've never known it to be used as a slur, but if it bothers you, I'll be more careful it it.
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