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Author Topic: Christo-Paganism: Some Answered Questions  (Read 9740 times)

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Re: Christo-Paganism: Some Answered Questions
« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2012, 04:55:04 pm »
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I must admit I equally wondered if the person was open to his church as to his beliefs and if they would then continue to accept him/her?  Personaly I'd think not.

But to my perspective the whole Christo-Pagan thing is a matter of not fully embracing one and to fearful to release the other.  It gives them a saving throw as they can always claim they never fully left it (ie Christian Church).


Well it is true there might be some who wouldn't accept me if they knew, but there are some who do know and accept me, including a few Priests. I always level with the Priest when I move to another parish, and generally I am told the same thing: a layperson does not have to accept all the creeds and such of the church, a Priest or a Bishop does. The position of the church on creeds, etc. is that they show what "the church teaches", not necessarily what a layperson must affirm. That is why the church accepts Unitarian Anglicans and others, even though its official teaching is Trinitarian.

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Re: Christo-Paganism: Some Answered Questions
« Reply #16 on: June 04, 2012, 04:56:31 pm »
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Christianity is now composed of Catholics, and Protestants (which have many different groups).


And Orthodox. It irks me to no end that people who presume to study religions insist on ignoring a branch with over 200 million adherents.
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« Reply #17 on: June 04, 2012, 04:59:13 pm »
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That's... odd. Unless you're drifting Gnostic, in which case Episcopalianism is right out.

Let's try this: how do you view Jesus? Do you believe in the resurrection? Do you believe that salvation of a kind is achieved by accepting his crucifixion as a (fill in terminally misunderstood part here which is one reason I can never be a Christian) for your sins?


Episcopalianism is not right out for the reason I mentioned in my above post. As for how I view Jesus, I suscribe to Nestorianism, that Jesus was a man who awakened to Christ/God-nature in the universe. This is the same view that Oriental Orthodox and Coptic Christians hold. As for do I believe the crucifixion achieves salvation- no I do not, and neither is that the only view that Christians have held throughout the centuries. That is actually one of five historical views on how Christ reconciles man to the divine. It was popularized by Anselm of Canterbury, but prior to that it wasn't a majority position.

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« Reply #18 on: June 04, 2012, 05:00:11 pm »
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And Orthodox. It irks me to no end that people who presume to study religions insist on ignoring a branch with over 200 million adherents.

 
Wouldn't Catholic and Orthodox kinda fall into the same bracket? I think that's how Catholics would see it.

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Re: Christo-Paganism: Some Answered Questions
« Reply #19 on: June 04, 2012, 05:03:47 pm »
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Wouldn't Catholic and Orthodox kinda fall into the same bracket? I think that's how Catholics would see it.


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« Reply #20 on: June 04, 2012, 05:05:26 pm »
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Have they buried the Great Schism? News to me.


I think they're trying (or at least Catholics are)

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Re: Christo-Paganism: Some Answered Questions
« Reply #21 on: June 04, 2012, 05:07:58 pm »
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Episcopalianism is not right out for the reason I mentioned in my above post.


I think you may have misunderstood me. I was suggesting that Episcopalianism is incompatible with Gnosticism.

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Re: Christo-Paganism: Some Answered Questions
« Reply #22 on: June 04, 2012, 05:10:39 pm »
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I think they're trying (or at least Catholics are)


The division has existed for nearly a millennium. It won't be reversed with a snapping of fingers. And since the Orthodox disagree on a number of points, both in doctrine and in praxis, that the Catholic church has added over those years, they won't be accepting an invitation to rejoin the big party any time soon.

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« Reply #23 on: June 04, 2012, 05:12:14 pm »
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I think you may have misunderstood me. I was suggesting that Episcopalianism is incompatible with Gnosticism.


It is.  Choosing to attend an Episcopal church doesn't make one Episcopal...and makes me ask why the OP would choose to take communion in a church whose tenets don't match hir own.
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« Reply #24 on: June 04, 2012, 05:18:12 pm »
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It is.  Choosing to attend an Episcopal church doesn't make one Episcopal...and makes me ask why the OP would choose to take communion in a church whose tenets don't match hir own.

 
Because taking the sacrament is part of what Jesus taught, and important even by my view. I am a member of the Episcopal Church and have been for years. They have open communion, and as I said the layperson's tenets are not required to match what the church teaches. However, I am wondering if you have another suggestion? Do you think I shouldn't be Episcopalian or receive Communion? I have been a member for years, I enjoy the fellowship and community.

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Re: Christo-Paganism: Some Answered Questions
« Reply #25 on: June 04, 2012, 05:36:21 pm »
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I'm a member of probably the most liberal sect in all Christianity- Episcopal. ;)

Darkhawk has already mentioned the United Church of Christ (a US denomination).  More liberal still is the United Church of Canada.

Of course, this might depend on what criteria one used to measure "liberal".

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Re: Christo-Paganism: Some Answered Questions
« Reply #26 on: June 04, 2012, 05:56:10 pm »
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And Orthodox. It irks me to no end that people who presume to study religions insist on ignoring a branch with over 200 million adherents.

Yes, it is annoying. Protestant does not cover everything not Catholic. There are 4 major divisions of Christianity (in order from largest to smallest and Catholics are over 50% of the total):

Catholic
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(Eastern) Orthodox
Anglican

There are a number of smaller branches, but the only fairly major smaller branches are the Oriental Orthodox and the Church of the East.
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« Reply #27 on: June 04, 2012, 06:48:39 pm »
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I'm pretty sure general consensus is that UUs are no longer Christian, though there are Christian UUs.

Their sibling denomination, the UCC, is one of the most consistently liberal denominations.  Certainly far more so than any of the ones who are concerned about pandering to their African (and sometimes South American) extreme conservatives.

 
How about the United Methodists?  Instead of pandering, they seem to be ignoring their African members.

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Re: Christo-Paganism: Some Answered Questions
« Reply #28 on: June 04, 2012, 09:44:24 pm »
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How about the United Methodists?  Instead of pandering, they seem to be ignoring their African members.

 
The Methodist Church seesaws back and forth on actual genuine schism (which is, for those who aren't aware of it, a Huge Fucking Deal in Christian theology).  I'm not sure which way they're going at the moment - while I have minor interest, as the sort of Christian I'm not is a Methodist, I haven't actually looked into the state of the denomination recently.

Further, whether or not a Methodist church is generally in the 'liberal church' pot is heavily regional.  It was a bit of a shock to me when I encountered people who had been raised in (usually but not always southern) Methodist churches who talked about the gay-hating pulpit-pounding stuff from their experience.
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« Reply #29 on: June 04, 2012, 10:32:44 pm »
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Further, whether or not a Methodist church is generally in the 'liberal church' pot is heavily regional.  It was a bit of a shock to me when I encountered people who had been raised in (usually but not always southern) Methodist churches who talked about the gay-hating pulpit-pounding stuff from their experience.

 
Yeah it shocks me too because the Methodist church I attended some when I lived on the west coast was very liberal

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