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US Military and Same Sex partner benifits memo
« on: February 15, 2013, 10:21:45 pm »
http://www.defense.gov/news/Same-SexBenefitsMemo.pdf

Most are easy benefits to extend, and probably most could have been extended years ago to a single non-spouse for single service members.

Some I suspect will get expensive and a few might seriously bite the partners in the paycheck.

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Re: US Military and Same Sex partner benifits memo
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2013, 05:47:23 am »
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http://www.defense.gov/news/Same-SexBenefitsMemo.pdf

Most are easy benefits to extend, and probably most could have been extended years ago to a single non-spouse for single service members.

Some I suspect will get expensive and a few might seriously bite the partners in the paycheck.

 
Question, do the ones that will get expensive and/or seriously bite them in the paycheck, will they bite heterosexual couples the same way and are they currently available to married folk, but not to same sex partners?
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Re: US Military and Same Sex partner benifits memo
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2013, 06:07:23 am »
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Question, do the ones that will get expensive and/or seriously bite them in the paycheck, will they bite heterosexual couples the same way and are they currently available to married folk, but not to same sex partners?

 
Yes, those benefits that could get expensive or bite them were only available to married couples until now.

If SSM was legal at the Federal level (ie no DOMA) it would bite the SSM couples in a different way. I'm pretty sure all the states where SSM is legal are high state income tax states. If SSM was legal at all state and the Federal level, and benefits were only to married couples it wouldn't be a problem.

If same-sex partner benefits were limited to couples that had a legally binding something, ie marriage in Mass, domestic partner in Vermont, it wouldn't be a real problem.

The expensive part is going to be potentially significant numbers of military claiming each other for benefits that used to be only for married folks.  It won't just be gay or lesbian couples, but any two same sex pair that wants to claim each other.  

When marriage is a requirement, the longer term downsides of ending a marriage mitigate the number of couples who can claim this status.

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Re: US Military and Same Sex partner benifits memo
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2013, 11:15:55 am »
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Yes, those benefits that could get expensive or bite them were only available to married couples until now.

If SSM was legal at the Federal level (ie no DOMA) it would bite the SSM couples in a different way. I'm pretty sure all the states where SSM is legal are high state income tax states. If SSM was legal at all state and the Federal level, and benefits were only to married couples it wouldn't be a problem.

If same-sex partner benefits were limited to couples that had a legally binding something, ie marriage in Mass, domestic partner in Vermont, it wouldn't be a real problem.

The expensive part is going to be potentially significant numbers of military claiming each other for benefits that used to be only for married folks.  It won't just be gay or lesbian couples, but any two same sex pair that wants to claim each other.  

When marriage is a requirement, the longer term downsides of ending a marriage mitigate the number of couples who can claim this status.


On the other hand, what will be the cost of being caught lying on the form that they sign saying that they are in a committed relationship, etc.  That might mitigate things as well.
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Re: US Military and Same Sex partner benifits memo
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2013, 02:43:24 pm »
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I'm pretty sure all the states where SSM is legal are high state income tax states.


Actually, I don't pay any state income tax in Washington.
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Re: US Military and Same Sex partner benifits memo
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2013, 03:38:33 pm »
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On the other hand, what will be the cost of being caught lying on the form that they sign saying that they are in a committed relationship, etc.  That might mitigate things as well.

 
Theoretically, prison and Bad Conduct Discharge. Problem is going to be proving "committed relationship".  That bites both ways.  If they are monogamous, or at least not seeing anybody at all, the military won't have the means to see if the relationship is not committed. If either one is playing around, that's much dicier. Unlike a marriage (or VT domestic partner, etc) which has all sorts of legal impediments to dissolve, relationships don't.

Also of interest is going to be money, and ObamaCare in particular. If the stay at home partner says, hey, I need more money from the paycheck, the military tends to hand it over.

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