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Re: So Do We Take Him Out?
« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2012, 05:20:22 pm »
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But he murdered 12 people with premeditated intent. In my opinion, if you take a life in cold blood then you pretty much lose the right to your own.

If not the death penalty then it will be prison for the mentally disturbed for the rest of his life and what good will that do?

I don't believe in mob justice either but if he ends up dead, I'm surely not going to weep over it.

 
Well what good would his death do? Besides my point is that it's no my call rather it's up to those immediately impacted by his actions, the D.A., and state law. Personally I think the death penalty is a useless and expensive 'punishment' that does very little to deter crime but that's me.

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Re: So Do We Take Him Out?
« Reply #16 on: July 25, 2012, 07:59:44 pm »
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Well what good would his death do? Besides my point is that it's no my call rather it's up to those immediately impacted by his actions, the D.A., and state law. Personally I think the death penalty is a useless and expensive 'punishment' that does very little to deter crime but that's me.

 
On a larger scale it is up to you.  You can vote for politicians who do not support the death penalty and work to get it repealed (since you consider it useless and expensive).

As for this particular case, you are right, it's not really your call.

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Re: So Do We Take Him Out?
« Reply #17 on: July 25, 2012, 09:50:50 pm »
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But he murdered 12 people with premeditated intent. In my opinion, if you take a life in cold blood then you pretty much lose the right to your own.

If not the death penalty then it will be prison for the mentally disturbed for the rest of his life and what good will that do?

I don't believe in mob justice either but if he ends up dead, I'm surely not going to weep over it.

 
Now I know you're not saying you believe in mob justice, but this seemed relevant to post. To me the problem with mob justice is what about when it's not such a 'simple' looking case? What if the mob is wrong? To me mob 'justice' just opens up the door for misuse, you can't say that it's OK most of the time except for when it's not.
Will it then turn into appeasing the angry mob at the expense of the truth?
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Re: So Do We Take Him Out?
« Reply #18 on: July 26, 2012, 09:59:46 am »
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"We" do nothing. The state of Colorado will try him and, presuming he is found guilty, specify the punishment according to law.

Period.

"We" do remember what rule of law is, don't we?

 
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So Do We Take Him Out?
« Reply #19 on: July 26, 2012, 10:10:27 am »
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But he murdered 12 people with premeditated intent. In my opinion, if you take a life in cold blood then you pretty much lose the right to your own.

If not the death penalty then it will be prison for the mentally disturbed for the rest of his life and what good will that do?

I don't believe in mob justice either but if he ends up dead, I'm surely not going to weep over it.

And what good does the death penalty do?  It's not like it's cheaper.  It isn't.  It's just vengeance.

If the courts decide it, then the court decides.  But it's not a practical cheap solution.

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Re: So Do We Take Him Out?
« Reply #20 on: July 26, 2012, 11:37:11 am »
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And what good does the death penalty do?  It's not like it's cheaper.  It isn't.  It's just vengeance.

If the courts decide it, then the court decides.  But it's not a practical cheap solution.
I have some practical and cheap solutions, but no one is going to agree with them. Call me cold hearted, but paying for the housing and clothing and what not of a man who murderd 12 people for the only fact is that they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. He doesn't deserve anything from my society. When he chose to kill people in cold blood, he chose to give his rights up, and I have faith that the justice system will make sure he is punished in the right manner.
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Re: So Do We Take Him Out?
« Reply #21 on: July 26, 2012, 12:36:50 pm »
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I have some practical and cheap solutions, but no one is going to agree with them. Call me cold hearted, but paying for the housing and clothing and what not of a man who murderd 12 people for the only fact is that they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. He doesn't deserve anything from my society. When he chose to kill people in cold blood, he chose to give his rights up, and I have faith that the justice system will make sure he is punished in the right manner.


I agree with you.

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Re: So Do We Take Him Out?
« Reply #22 on: July 26, 2012, 02:18:51 pm »
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"We" do remember what rule of law is, don't we?

 
In this country, the rule of law is often forgotten (Just look at the discussion about the girl who named her attackers contrary to a court order) when it is inconvienent or doesn't come up with vengence.

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Re: So Do We Take Him Out?
« Reply #23 on: July 26, 2012, 05:30:20 pm »
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I have some practical and cheap solutions, but no one is going to agree with them. Call me cold hearted, but paying for the housing and clothing and what not of a man who murderd 12 people for the only fact is that they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. He doesn't deserve anything from my society. When he chose to kill people in cold blood, he chose to give his rights up, and I have faith that the justice system will make sure he is punished in the right manner.

 
I agree with you Celtag

Cost's 100k+ a year of taxpayer money, multiply by how ever many years he'd be in there - sorry, he doesn't deserve that

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Re: So Do We Take Him Out?
« Reply #24 on: July 26, 2012, 05:43:29 pm »
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"We" do nothing. The state of Colorado will try him and, presuming he is found guilty, specify the punishment according to law.

Period.

"We" do remember what rule of law is, don't we?

 

Extending your basis somewhat, remembering what the rule of law is, in this instance, is only a concern for those who will be involved in its application therein. I don't see any issue with using this as a springboard for discussing the ideas behind crime and punishment. If it helps some people to explore and flesh out their personal philosophy regarding such issues, so what?

Or are you suggesting this isn't a valid topic of conversation?

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Re: So Do We Take Him Out?
« Reply #25 on: July 27, 2012, 11:48:13 am »
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I agree with you Celtag

Cost's 100k+ a year of taxpayer money, multiply by how ever many years he'd be in there - sorry, he doesn't deserve that

 
If you're going to frame it in such terms, then I'm paying to have him murdered as well (and it is murder). That's not what I want, either. Unfortunately, there is no way out of this that's not going to cost us money. Killing him really isn't as cheap and easy as many folks like to make it out to be.

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