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Author Topic: Plan B Contraception Makers Ask for US to Change Its Policy.  (Read 12702 times)

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Re: Plan B Contraception Makers Ask for US to Change Its Policy.
« Reply #45 on: December 08, 2011, 03:46:57 pm »
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At 12 it's not implausible that a goodly fraction of pregnancies are a result of incest.

 
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You're failing to take into account that 1) abusers frequently terrorize their victims, making them believe that no one will believe their accusations, or that they'll blame the victim, that it's all the victim's fault; 2) the humiliation and shame the child might be going through, even if it was consensual. Physical access isn't everything.

 
Then make it possible for them to go to the ER and get it from the doctor. I just don't afree with the pharmacy part. They'll have to talk to someone at the Pharmacy to get it, won't they?

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Re: Plan B Contraception Makers Ask for US to Change Its Policy.
« Reply #46 on: December 08, 2011, 03:47:34 pm »
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Again, this is best case scenario- this does not help a child who has been molested.
 


 
Then don't let your 12 year old daughter do it. Your discomfort, quite frankly, is not worth endangering the health and well being of a 12 year old you have no legal guardianship over.

 
I won't. You're the one jumping down my throat trying to prove me wrong.

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Re: Plan B Contraception Makers Ask for US to Change Its Policy.
« Reply #47 on: December 08, 2011, 03:50:47 pm »
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Using that assumption, she's likely to have researched sex and other avenues of contraception before she gets into sex. If she's smart enough to wonder how to get unpregnant, she smart enough to wonder how to not get that way in the firstplace.
 


Then they should pass a law strictly for those people, not for something that would effect everyone who isn't special circumstances. Or make it available to a girl who is in the ER, even if she's under the age of 17. But what I have issues with is the walking into the pharmacy part.

As the mother of an 11 year old who I hope doesn't have sex until she's over twenty, and the mother of a 17 year old who has been sexually active since 15 (to boot it's a boyfriend we DON'T like), I'd rather find out about the plan b post use, than the pregnancy.  Sex has side effects.  Many side effects.  Pregnancy is one of the most health threatening, other than aids and hepatitis B.  Now, I have no objections if along with the Plan B, the pharmacist gives her a referral to the local Rape advocacy, counseling and education services and recommends she go to a doctor too.  But first and formost, we are preventing pregnancy with Plan B.  THat is what it is for.  I want no hoops for her to go through to get it other than money, and that's a big enough one on it's own.
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Re: Plan B Contraception Makers Ask for US to Change Its Policy.
« Reply #48 on: December 08, 2011, 03:52:40 pm »
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I won't. You're the one jumping down my throat trying to prove me wrong.

 
I've done nothing of the sort- I've simply highlighted what I perceive to be major flaws in your argument. This is a debate and discussion board.
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« Reply #49 on: December 08, 2011, 03:53:14 pm »
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I don't mean the results of taking Plan B everyonce in a while, I mean afterward. What if it has a severe reaction to a perscrption medication that she finds herself having to take? Asprin and Tylenol both have those. Or what about antibiotics making birth control not work? There's more to this than her deciding what she wants. If she's worried or afraid of going to a doc about it anyway, she's not going to bring it up after the fact.

You failed entirely to address my analogy.  You're claiming this is all about the dangers of an over-the-counter medication.  I'm saying kids can already buy (without regulation) over-the-counter medications that can be dangerous in a variety of ways (often when taken at recommended dosages).  Why are we talking about regulating this one and not the others?

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Re: Plan B Contraception Makers Ask for US to Change Its Policy.
« Reply #50 on: December 08, 2011, 03:55:15 pm »
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They'll have to talk to someone at the Pharmacy to get it, won't they?

 
They don't admit minors, notify their parents and perform tests at pharmacies.

Also, haven't you ever bought something at a pharmacy that wasn't for you? While I'm sure any pharmacist would see right through a nervous 12 year old buying Plan B, there is no obligation at a pharmacy to say who an OTC is for.
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« Reply #51 on: December 08, 2011, 03:56:54 pm »
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You failed entirely to address my analogy.  You're claiming this is all about the dangers of an over-the-counter medication.  I'm saying kids can already buy (without regulation) over-the-counter medications that can be dangerous in a variety of ways (often when taken at recommended dosages).  Why are we talking about regulating this one and not the others?

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Because I'm frustrated that everyone is jumping down my throat for what I believe and putting words into my mouth. And because this partcular drug is what the thread is about.

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« Reply #52 on: December 08, 2011, 03:59:19 pm »
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I've done nothing of the sort- I've simply highlighted what I perceive to be major flaws in your argument. This is a debate and discussion board.

 
It seems more like you're yelling at me and trying to change my opinion than debating. I'm sorry.

I just don't think that the pros outweigh the cons of this argument.

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« Reply #53 on: December 08, 2011, 04:02:04 pm »
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They don't admit minors, notify their parents and perform tests at pharmacies.

Also, haven't you ever bought something at a pharmacy that wasn't for you? While I'm sure any pharmacist would see right through a nervous 12 year old buying Plan B, there is no obligation at a pharmacy to say who an OTC is for.

 
The only people I have bought something at a Pharmacy for is my children, and if she came to me at that age, with that issue, I would. Because I wouldn't think that she was capable of using it properly without adult supervision. Which is one of the main reasons that the law was denied.

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« Reply #54 on: December 08, 2011, 04:03:42 pm »
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I've done nothing of the sort- I've simply highlighted what I perceive to be major flaws in your argument. This is a debate and discussion board.

 
Also, I didn't realize that it was a debate board. It's not marked anywhere, I thought we were discussing.

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Re: Plan B Contraception Makers Ask for US to Change Its Policy.
« Reply #55 on: December 08, 2011, 04:08:02 pm »
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Also, I didn't realize that it was a debate board. It's not marked anywhere, I thought we were discussing.

 
The entire Cauldron is a debate and discussion board.  It doesn't need to be specifically marked, because that's what we are all here for.
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« Reply #56 on: December 08, 2011, 04:10:13 pm »
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The entire Cauldron is a debate and discussion board.  It doesn't need to be specifically marked, because that's what we are all here for.

 
Okie doke. I guess I didn't realize that at first, because this was the first pagan forum I found. Thanks for letting me know, though.

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Re: Plan B Contraception Makers Ask for US to Change Its Policy.
« Reply #57 on: December 08, 2011, 04:19:22 pm »
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Because I'm frustrated that everyone is jumping down my throat for what I believe and putting words into my mouth. And because this partcular drug is what the thread is about.

 
This thread is about the reasoning behind the regulation of Plan B, a drug which science tells us is safe enough to be sold over the counter, like many other medications.  I'm just wondering what you think makes this one so different.

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« Reply #58 on: December 08, 2011, 04:24:19 pm »
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This thread is about the reasoning behind the regulation of Plan B, a drug which science tells us is safe enough to be sold over the counter, like many other medications.  I'm just wondering what you think makes this one so different.

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Hmmm. I guess because I don't know much about which other drus you're talking about. I don't know which OTC drugs you're talking about, which ones you think are being abused for whatever reason. This one, I think, is regulated properly. I don't think that much should change on the regulation, that's why I'm a bit vocal about it.

One of the big problems everyone is having has to do with a small percent of those affected by the drug not being available. Surely there are more young teenage girls who would take this for a mistake of their own making instead of abuse or rape. Should we change the law because of the affect it would have for that few minority?

That would be like making abortion illgal because some people use it as brith control.
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« Reply #59 on: December 08, 2011, 04:44:21 pm »
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Hmmm. I guess because I don't know much about which other drus you're talking about. I don't know which OTC drugs you're talking about, which ones you think are being abused for whatever reason. This one, I think, is regulated properly. I don't think that much should change on the regulation, that's why I'm a bit vocal about it.


I'm not sure how I can further simplify the question.  I mentioned Tylenol.  It's an amazingly toxic drug.  Here's some info about common problems with the drug.  And I mean really common.  Shockingly so, for a drug whose sale is utterly unregulated.  A five-year-old can walk in off the street and buy it at the corner drugstore.  And I'm asking you why?  Why is this one so unregulated?  Especially given its known dangers (and Plan B's lack of said same)?  If it's really just about safety for kids, why the glaring difference?

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