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Re: GOP presidential hopeful courts pagans
« Reply #15 on: October 19, 2011, 10:34:41 pm »
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That's not quite what he said.  Still moronic, but slightly less delusional (not by much, mind you).

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No. It's not what he said. I read the quote earlier. But it's what comes across.
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Re: GOP presidential hopeful courts pagans
« Reply #16 on: October 23, 2011, 02:53:44 pm »
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Well what do you expect from a guy whose name has been appropriated to describe the byproduct of anal sex?  Off topic, but I heard that the mixture of lube and fecal matter himself asked Goggle to remove the definition from its search index.  Apparently Google is unable to do anything about it:D:

 
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So often current events infuriate and/or depress me, and then you go and say something like that... :D
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Re: GOP presidential hopeful courts pagans
« Reply #17 on: November 13, 2011, 12:55:47 pm »
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Is Johnson going to be out on his views or general lack of name recognition?

 
Disclosure: I'm a total Johnson fanboy.  I couldn't not respond, even though it's late.

It's the name non-recognition that's hurting him.  He got some recognition after his first debate, based on a one-liner he was given (he asked people on twitter) which turned out to be taken from Rush Limbaugh.  Other than that, the media seems to ignore him.  Earlier in the fall/late summer, someone coined the term "Gary Johnson Rule" to refer to the national media's seeming convolutions to exclude him from coverage.

He's out with most of the vocal Republicans because of his views.  Fiscally conservative, on the social issues he's classically liberal.  Basically, the  Gov't should stay out of peoples personal lives.  Because of this, he supports choice issues:  a woman's right to choose, romantic choice (his marriage plan is, unique).  He's also for the legalization of pot, citing the similarities of enforcement and crime-effect between Drug and Alcohol Prohibition.

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Re: GOP presidential hopeful courts pagans
« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2011, 07:32:49 pm »
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Disclosure: I'm a total Johnson fanboy.


I've only seen an interview w/him on either TDS or TCR, but I was suitably impressed to root for him.

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He's out with most of the vocal Republicans because of his views.  Fiscally conservative, on the social issues he's classically liberal.  Basically, the  Gov't should stay out of peoples personal lives.  Because of this, he supports choice issues:  a woman's right to choose, romantic choice (his marriage plan is, unique).  He's also for the legalization of pot, citing the similarities of enforcement and crime-effect between Drug and Alcohol Prohibition.

I'll stop.  Ask if you want to know more.


I thought he was for the decriminalization of pot, not legalization.  Which is a damn sight better than we have now, of course, but it's an important distinction.

But what's his unique marriage plan?
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Re: GOP presidential hopeful courts pagans
« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2011, 08:02:32 pm »
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That's not quite what he said.  Still moronic, but slightly less delusional (not by much, mind you).

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ETA:  I can't wait to for someone in the next debate to ask whether he and the missus still knock boots.

 
I can see where he's coming from, in a 'traditional values' kind of way.  
Still, as a conservative, he oughtta see that contraception (even publicly funded) is preferable to abortions or abandoned, unwanted babies.
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Re: GOP presidential hopeful courts pagans
« Reply #20 on: November 20, 2011, 08:06:39 pm »
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He's out with most of the vocal Republicans because of his views.  Fiscally conservative, on the social issues he's classically liberal.  Basically, the  Gov't should stay out of peoples personal lives.

Sounds like the ideal conservative candidate to me.  At least he espouses actual conservatism, unlike the supposedly far-right Republican't.
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Re: GOP presidential hopeful courts pagans
« Reply #21 on: November 22, 2011, 12:06:56 am »
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I thought he was for the decriminalization of pot, not legalization.  Which is a damn sight better than we have now, of course, but it's an important distinction.

But what's his unique marriage plan?

 
He's for legalization, under the 'regulate like alcohol' category.  His general stance on drugs is that the people would be better served if we treated it as primarily a Health issue instead of a Criminal issue.  He's focusing on pot though.  He's not stated his reasons for the focus, but here is my reading of the implications of what he has said:  'Hard' drugs are much worse for you and pose a risk to others greater than those posed by alcohol and pot.  He does say that alcohol is worse than pot for you in all categories.  He smoked and drank when he was younger, but quit when they started affecting his athletics.

Regarding marriage: He recognizes gay rights. He also recognizes the near impossibility of making religious extremists understand that there is a difference between religious and civil marriage.  Given that near impossibility, he advocates removing marriage from the purview of the state entirely.

All couples, regardless of where they fall in the alphabet soup of sexuality and gender identity, would contract for federal Civil Unions which would be recognized across state lines. It is left up to religions to recognize Marriage.  I interpret that to include secular celebrations of the cultural tradition of marriage as possible outside of the Gov't.
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Re: GOP presidential hopeful courts pagans
« Reply #22 on: November 22, 2011, 02:49:11 am »
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... he advocates removing marriage from the purview of the state entirely.

All couples, regardless of where they fall in the alphabet soup of sexuality and gender identity, would contract for federal Civil Unions which would be recognized across state lines. It is left up to religions to recognize Marriage.  I interpret that to include secular celebrations of the cultural tradition of marriage as possible outside of the Gov't.

 
Yes.  I'm starting to like this candidate.

A few years back I was best man in my best friend's wedding.  His was an upapologetic Christian ceremony.  In his belief system, holy matrimony was pretty much an article (and requirement) of faith, however he had to pay a tax buy a 'marriage license' from the state.  

In essence he had to pay the state for permission to practice his religion.  If that doesn't violate the 'free exercise' clause of the 1st Amendment, it comes pretty damn close.  Similarly, a religious ceremony is given secular, legal weight.  It may not violate the 'establishment' clause, but it is a step in the wrong direction.  

I agree wholeheartedly with getting the Govt out of the marriage business.
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Re: GOP presidential hopeful courts pagans
« Reply #23 on: November 22, 2011, 04:03:06 am »
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Yes.  I'm starting to like this candidate.

 
Yeah, I'd agree.  I'm liking him too.  I also rather like Ron Paul, though, but the media pretty much ignores him.

Honestly though, I think the real problems are in Congress.  I think the whole body of Congress is institutionally corrupt beyond saving at this point.  Our current two-party system is a huge part of the problem, but there is also the fact that career politicians as a group are pretty much self-serving, rather than public-serving.
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« Reply #24 on: November 22, 2011, 05:41:42 am »
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Yeah, I'd agree.  I'm liking him too.  I also rather like Ron Paul, though, but the media pretty much ignores him.

Honestly though, I think the real problems are in Congress.  I think the whole body of Congress is institutionally corrupt beyond saving at this point.  Our current two-party system is a huge part of the problem, but there is also the fact that career politicians as a group are pretty much self-serving, rather than public-serving.


Heh.  Conservative Libertarian here, and I love Ron Paul's ideas.  Problem is: he's a damned loon (albeit a loveable one, like a Yoda gone batshit) and he's not electable.  He's too 'fringe.'  These days it's all about the 'middle' which both sides are trying to woo and win.  
Looking at the other nominees, however, and all I can say is: fuck the GOP.

I'm with ya on the corruption of both Congresscritters and the two-party system.  The Democans and Republicrats are equally to blame for the corruption inherent.  Best solution, imho: gas them all and let G-d sort 'em out.  Beyond that, the best we can do is elect no-names to the ballot, and good luck getting the American sheeple to do that rather than vote for BS-as-usual.  
Some voted for change in 2008, others voted for change in 2010, and I bet all are equally pissed and disappointed here in the fall of 2011.  At this point I think the best we can do is vote out ALL incumbents, for at least the next two election cycles.  The best message to send to the morons on the Hill is that their seats are transitory, subject to critical review and summary dismissal.  No results = you're fired.  Just like in the private sector.
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Re: GOP presidential hopeful courts pagans
« Reply #25 on: November 22, 2011, 06:52:51 am »
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Actually, I believe the studies have shown that career politicians are LESS corrupt than the ones that are just passing through - the ones passing through are FAR more likely to not know what they're doing and be manipulated by lobbies.  They're also paying attention to where they're going to end up NEXT, because they know they're not staying put no matter what, so they're looking for a future position.

There's a lot wrong with our system, but that doesn't make everyone that's in office corrupt.

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Re: GOP presidential hopeful courts pagans
« Reply #26 on: November 22, 2011, 08:11:54 am »
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Yes.  I'm starting to like this candidate.

A few years back I was best man in my best friend's wedding.  His was an upapologetic Christian ceremony.  In his belief system, holy matrimony was pretty much an article (and requirement) of faith, however he had to pay a tax buy a 'marriage license' from the state.  

In essence he had to pay the state for permission to practice his religion.  If that doesn't violate the 'free exercise' clause of the 1st Amendment, it comes pretty damn close.  Similarly, a religious ceremony is given secular, legal weight.  It may not violate the 'establishment' clause, but it is a step in the wrong direction.  

I agree wholeheartedly with getting the Govt out of the marriage business.

You can have a religoius marriage and not have any benefits of state sanctioned union and vice versa.  Polygamists do it all the time.  He's not paying a tax to practice his religion, he's paying a tax to have the state recognise this person as his partner for insurance reasons, tax reasons, bank reasons, hospital visitation reasons, etc without having to involve a whole lot of lawyers.  The state has simply saw fit to allow religious people the privilige of having their clergyman stand in for the courthouse clerk who would otherwise have to do a second ceremony to handle the civil part of it. Nothing violates the free exercise clause of the first amendment.
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« Reply #27 on: November 22, 2011, 02:18:51 pm »
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There's a lot wrong with our system, but that doesn't make everyone that's in office corrupt.


Which is why I said "as a group."  There is a trend towards it, and the ones that are corrupt keep anything from functioning, so the honest ones become irrelevant.  I did not mean that ABSOLUTELY ALL congressmen are corrupt.
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Re: GOP presidential hopeful courts pagans
« Reply #28 on: November 22, 2011, 03:04:06 pm »
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Regarding marriage: He recognizes gay rights. He also recognizes the near impossibility of making religious extremists understand that there is a difference between religious and civil marriage.  Given that near impossibility, he advocates removing marriage from the purview of the state entirely.

 
Thereby advocating state support of those religions that think that marriage is religious.
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Re: GOP presidential hopeful courts pagans
« Reply #29 on: November 22, 2011, 03:05:02 pm »
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I agree wholeheartedly with getting the Govt out of the marriage business.

 
And I am absolutely opposed to getting the government out of legal contracts. ;)
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