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Author Topic: Five-year-old wears wrong color shoes, gets sent home in cop car  (Read 4690 times)

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Five-year-old wears wrong color shoes, gets sent home in cop car
« on: February 06, 2013, 02:15:15 pm »
Cops nab five-year-old wearing wrong color shoes to school

This comes under the "Give me an f'ing break!" category.

Aside from the absolute ridiculousness of penalizing the kid for not having the right color shoes :eek: (not to mention traumatizing him), what a waste of tax-payers' money and police resources!

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Re: Five-year-old wears wrong color shoes, gets sent home in cop car
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2013, 02:26:34 pm »
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Cops nab five-year-old wearing wrong color shoes to school


Wut.
 
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Re: Five-year-old wears wrong color shoes, gets sent home in cop car
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2013, 04:09:42 pm »
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Cops nab five-year-old wearing wrong color shoes to school

 
Are you freaking kidding me? They sent him home in a frigging POLICE CAR because he had the wrong coloured shoes?! I think my head just exploded trying to make sense of that. Why not just write a note to his mother if it's so important? Geez!

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Re: Five-year-old wears wrong color shoes, gets sent home in cop car
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2013, 05:42:48 pm »
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Dear freakin' gods above!  It's a five year old whose parent tried to take care of wrong colored shoes by coloring over them with a permanent marker.  Quick!  Some snag that gang banger before he disrupts nap time by playing with the blocks!

Don't get me wrong, I understand dress codes and the need to comply with them.  I attended Catholic school as a kid and not only was a uniform required but most of it could only be purchased at specific retailers.  But this... this is just insane.  How is it less disruptive to pull the kid out of class and send him home via the police than to pin a politely worded note to his shirt explaining school policy (which the parent obviously all ready knew, hence the permanent marker cover up attempt) and an invitation to call or come in to discuss the issue.  More than likely it was either 1) the regularly worn shoes were missing or no longer suitable or 2) the correct color shoes couldn't be afforded just yet.  

::looks back at the last sentence::

People!  We're talking about the color of a five-year-old's SHOES!

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Re: Five-year-old wears wrong color shoes, gets sent home in cop car
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2013, 05:59:19 pm »
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Cops nab five-year-old wearing wrong color shoes to school

This comes under the "Give me an f'ing break!" category.

Aside from the absolute ridiculousness of penalizing the kid for not having the right color shoes :eek: (not to mention traumatizing him), what a waste of tax-payers' money and police resources!

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But. . . but the kid's five. Not fifteen and old enough to know better.

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Re: Five-year-old wears wrong color shoes, gets sent home in cop car
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2013, 06:22:09 pm »
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But. . . but the kid's five. Not fifteen and old enough to know better.

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I'm trying to make sense of this by wondering if there's more to the story. Maybe the mother was given warnings. Maybe she told the school if they wanted certain shoes they could buy them, and then colored them in to make a point after more communication. Maybe the school informed her that that wasn't the appropriate, and having already told her the child wouldn't be allowed in school w/o proper uniform that she would need to pick him up and she refused. So the police/civil servants transported him home.

 Our school offers lost and found to needy kids and the counselor assists in resources for low income parents, so I'm going to assume others do as well and maybe the mother was just being stubborn because she bought those shoes and wasn't going to budge. So what would the school do if a parent refuses to comply? That's the only reason I can make of this.
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Re: Five-year-old wears wrong color shoes, gets sent home in cop car
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2013, 06:35:52 pm »
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Cops nab five-year-old wearing wrong color shoes to school

This comes under the "Give me an f'ing break!" category.

Aside from the absolute ridiculousness of penalizing the kid for not having the right color shoes :eek: (not to mention traumatizing him), what a waste of tax-payers' money and police resources!

:hdsk:

 
That is without a doubt the most ridiculours thing that I have heard all day.  For one they are shoes, and two the kid is five.  What are they trying to do make them hate cops as well as fear and hate school?  What stupidity.  Even if it was against a  dress code or something that is a little too far and idiotic.:mad:
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Re: Five-year-old wears wrong color shoes, gets sent home in cop car
« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2013, 06:40:14 pm »
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Our school offers lost and found to needy kids and the counselor assists in resources for low income parents, so I'm going to assume others do as well and maybe the mother was just being stubborn because she bought those shoes and wasn't going to budge. So what would the school do if a parent refuses to comply? That's the only reason I can make of this.

If that were true then the parent should have been in the police car, not the child. You don't punish 5 year old children for the faults of others.

If I were in charge, the school officials behind this would be fired and forbidden to ever hold any job that had any contact with children in the future. They would also have to pay for the police time and for a child psychologist to deal with the trauma they caused the child.
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Re: Five-year-old wears wrong color shoes, gets sent home in cop car
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2013, 06:52:50 pm »
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If that were true then the parent should have been in the police car, not the child. You don't punish 5 year old children for the faults of others.

If I were in charge, the school officials behind this would be fired and forbidden to ever hold any job that had any contact with children in the future. They would also have to pay for the police time and for a child psychologist to deal with the trauma they caused the child.

 
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Re: Five-year-old wears wrong color shoes, gets sent home in cop car
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2013, 06:59:33 pm »
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If that were true then the parent should have been in the police car, not the child. You don't punish 5 year old children for the faults of others.

Can you arrest a mother/take her kids away because she refuses to follow school policy?

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If I were in charge, the school officials behind this would be fired and forbidden to ever hold any job that had any contact with children in the future. They would also have to pay for the police time and for a child psychologist to deal with the trauma they caused the child.

I don't know that its thatbig of a deal. My kids love firemen and police officers and wave at them all the time. (I think it's actually more abusive to teach them that law enforcement is the bad guy.) Normally what happens is the child is taken to the front office, the principal makes a light explanation of the situation, the officer is kind and shows them the equipment, the kid had a fun ride and got to hear the siren and spent the rest of the afternoon at home watching cartoons. I say this as a former foster child with experience in CPS. (Also, school personnel can't take the child home themselves because they can be accused of all sorts of things.)

I doubt the police stormed the classroom, put the kid in cuffs and made a giant spectacle that ruined the child's life. And if the mother made a huge spectacle of it then that's just as wrong.

There's always two sides to a story and then the truth. I'm just trying to find a reasonable explanation beyond automatic blame of the government and authority. Say the mother did refuse to follow policy without good cause-- what's the school supposed to do? Are their hands tied and they just have to allow selective compliance?

Eta: Just wanted to add that my children are taught that the police are there to help and protect everyone rather than taught that the police are bad and out to get you. So they would feel safe and comfortable in the presence of one and not terrified and psychologically traumatized.
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Re: Five-year-old wears wrong color shoes, gets sent home in cop car
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Re: Five-year-old wears wrong color shoes, gets sent home in cop car
« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2013, 08:36:17 pm »
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I'm trying to make sense of this by wondering if there's more to the story. Maybe the mother was given warnings. Maybe she told the school if they wanted certain shoes they could buy them, and then colored them in to make a point after more communication. Maybe the school informed her that that wasn't the appropriate, and having already told her the child wouldn't be allowed in school w/o proper uniform that she would need to pick him up and she refused. So the police/civil servants transported him home.
 

 
Still no reason to send the kid home by police.  It is possible that the parents could not afford the "mandated shoes."  

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Re: Five-year-old wears wrong color shoes, gets sent home in cop car
« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2013, 08:36:49 pm »
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There's always two sides to a story and then the truth. I'm just trying to find a reasonable explanation beyond automatic blame of the government and authority. Say the mother did refuse to follow policy without good cause-- what's the school supposed to do? Are their hands tied and they just have to allow selective compliance?

 
I'm not sure if you read the article, but it's basically about the way in which certain schools use "zero-tolerance" policies against black students in a way that suggests... well, lets say it suggests that the education and elevation of black students isn't their top priority. It's one particularly egregious example of a broken system.
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Re: Five-year-old wears wrong color shoes, gets sent home in cop car
« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2013, 09:20:14 pm »
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Cops nab five-year-old wearing wrong color shoes to school

This comes under the "Give me an f'ing break!" category.

Aside from the absolute ridiculousness of penalizing the kid for not having the right color shoes :eek: (not to mention traumatizing him), what a waste of tax-payers' money and police resources!

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Re: Five-year-old wears wrong color shoes, gets sent home in cop car
« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2013, 09:21:59 pm »
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I'm not sure if you read the article, but it's basically about the way in which certain schools use "zero-tolerance" policies against black students in a way that suggests... well, lets say it suggests that the education and elevation of black students isn't their top priority. It's one particularly egregious example of a broken system.

 
I did read the article, and saw it mentioned that minority children can often receive harsher punishments, but this discussion here appeared to be whether or not the punishment in this case was uncalled for, not about race.

I searched google for news on this but didn't find any reputable sites covering it. There were a lot of sites that mentioned communism, police states, and school-to-prison theories, but I'm not comfortable with that knee-jerk reaction. I have no doubt the system is broken, but I also don't believe these educators shouldn't have contact with children.

I'd like to believe that while the system may need improvement, that the teachers and administrators are still coming from a place of good. The wording of the article is clearly meant to incite outrage-- "nab" is most likely the least accurate description of events, for example. And no where is the statement that the punishment was to "teach them a lesson" attributed to anyone at the school.

These articles also don't provide a history of events. I have no way of knowing if there was an initial warning given, if there were several, if the mother was belligerent or a victim. There just isn't much to base an informed decision on. So I'm leaving room for the possibility that this isn't as drastic as it sounds and that the schools are trying their best.

So a) I'm saying there may have been good cause but we don't know and b) --as a side note-- that I disagree that riding in a police car is automatically traumatizing. If this discussion is about the correlation between race and discipline and I missed that, then I apologize for misunderstanding. I thought it was just about this specific event.
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