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Author Topic: Cantor: No emergency disaster relief funds without cuts  (Read 5376 times)

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Re: Cantor: No emergency disaster relief funds without cuts
« Reply #15 on: August 31, 2011, 02:59:54 pm »
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Oh for crying out loud, Peter. Do you honestly, honestly think that Irene cost the east coast only 1 billion? Seriously?

I can't even begin to tell you how ridiculous I find it that Cantor and his asshole buddies are going to play politics during a time of a natural disaster.

 
I'm updating this because I think it is VERY important to take a look at the estimated cost of Irene. She packed a wallop and that $1 billion that has been touted is just a drop in the bucket.

Hurricane Cost Seen as Ranking Among Top Ten

Hurricane Irene will most likely prove to be one of the 10 costliest catastrophes in the nation’s history, and analysts said that much of the damage might not be covered by insurance because it was caused not by winds but by flooding, which is excluded from many standard policies.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/31/us/31floods.html?_r=1
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Re: Cantor: No emergency disaster relief funds without cuts
« Reply #16 on: August 31, 2011, 06:12:46 pm »
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I'm updating this because I think it is VERY important to take a look at the estimated cost of Irene. She packed a wallop and that $1 billion that has been touted is just a drop in the bucket.

Hurricane Cost Seen as Ranking Among Top Ten

Hurricane Irene will most likely prove to be one of the 10 costliest catastrophes in the nation’s history, and analysts said that much of the damage might not be covered by insurance because it was caused not by winds but by flooding, which is excluded from many standard policies.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/31/us/31floods.html?_r=1


the billion is slated for the tornado areas.

flooding is not covered by Any private insurance policies.  All flood insurance is from the Federal Flood insurance program.  payouts for that come from premiums collected normally.  not sure if any additional monies will need to come from the govt budget to pay those claims.

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Re: Cantor: No emergency disaster relief funds without cuts
« Reply #17 on: August 31, 2011, 06:44:36 pm »
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As an update to the main point, Cantor voted against linking disaster aid to spending cuts when there was a Republican in the oval office.

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Re: Cantor: No emergency disaster relief funds without cuts
« Reply #18 on: August 31, 2011, 08:19:25 pm »
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As an update to the main point, Cantor voted against linking disaster aid to spending cuts when there was a Republican in the oval office.

 
And that's a legit criticism and point of hypocrisy.

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Re: Cantor: No emergency disaster relief funds without cuts
« Reply #19 on: August 31, 2011, 09:11:45 pm »
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As an update to the main point, Cantor voted against linking disaster aid to spending cuts when there was a Republican in the oval office.

 
Yes. I saw that today.

The more I think about this, the more angry I get.
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Re: Cantor: No emergency disaster relief funds without cuts
« Reply #20 on: August 31, 2011, 09:12:57 pm »
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the billion is slated for the tornado areas.


My apologies, Peter, I misread you.
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Re: Cantor: No emergency disaster relief funds without cuts
« Reply #21 on: August 31, 2011, 09:31:50 pm »
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My apologies, Peter, I misread you.

 
Not a problem.  

FEMA is taking money already allocated for the longer term tornado repairs (ie not the billion Cantor mentioned that the Senate is holding up) and using it for emergency stuff from Irene.  That is fairly standard in the govt.

Cantor has promised he'll find the money for FEMA.  There is 31 days left in the fiscal year so not sure if it will come from this years or next years budget. If it's next years budget, I think at least part is coming my ship's budget if the rumors are true here.

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Re: Cantor: No emergency disaster relief funds without cuts
« Reply #22 on: September 02, 2011, 03:13:20 am »
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I'm updating this because I think it is VERY important to take a look at the estimated cost of Irene. She packed a wallop and that $1 billion that has been touted is just a drop in the bucket.

Hurricane Cost Seen as Ranking Among Top Ten

Hurricane Irene will most likely prove to be one of the 10 costliest catastrophes in the nation’s history, and analysts said that much of the damage might not be covered by insurance because it was caused not by winds but by flooding, which is excluded from many standard policies.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/31/us/31floods.html?_r=1


There are people who use the Tax Payer Dollars to fix/rebuild their homes on a regular basis.
Houses that are damaged by storms on a regular 'timetable' should Not receive Tax Payer help.
These people should learn they cannot get relief when they build in storm zones. (When beach front houses are severely damaged they should not be rebuilt.)
Every time you hear a news reader comment that Federal funds will be used to do something, you should think "TAX PAYER". That money doesn't come from excise/import duties as much now-a-days.


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Re: Cantor: No emergency disaster relief funds without cuts
« Reply #23 on: September 02, 2011, 08:12:53 am »
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There are people who use the Tax Payer Dollars to fix/rebuild their homes on a regular basis.
Houses that are damaged by storms on a regular 'timetable' should Not receive Tax Payer help.
These people should learn they cannot get relief when they build in storm zones. (When beach front houses are severely damaged they should not be rebuilt.)
Every time you hear a news reader comment that Federal funds will be used to do something, you should think "TAX PAYER". That money doesn't come from excise/import duties as much now-a-days.

 

In that case, we need to depopulate much of the rivers and coasts.
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Re: Cantor: No emergency disaster relief funds without cuts
« Reply #24 on: September 02, 2011, 10:01:57 am »
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In that case, we need to depopulate much of the rivers and coasts.

 
To clarify, my understanding is that most flood insurance is governmental cause most insurance companies won't do it, at least in areas likely to flood. The program is intended to have payments stay within premiums, if they can't, they can borrow from the government and repay.  unfortunately, flood insurance is not required to live in a floodplain, just to get the loan. WHich means tons of places are uninsured, but still in the floodplain.  Which means they are most likely to be owned by people who already own their home, or rent.  Older folks or lower income people.

I can't find a US wide SFHA map for areas that are covered by governmental flood insurance.
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Re: Cantor: No emergency disaster relief funds without cuts
« Reply #25 on: September 02, 2011, 10:24:33 am »
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There are people who use the Tax Payer Dollars to fix/rebuild their homes on a regular basis.


Do you have something to back this up? Something that's a reputable source and not an opinion piece. And just so you know, Fox isn't a particularly well thought of source, either.

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Houses that are damaged by storms on a regular 'timetable' should Not receive Tax Payer help.


Again. Back up that this is happening frequently? Since you're using "timetable" here, let's just say that whatever source you're quoting had better have some pretty good numbers.

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These people should learn they cannot get relief when they build in storm zones. (When beach front houses are severely damaged they should not be rebuilt.)


You do realize you're pretty well going to have to depopulate the entire United States, right? It's not just beach front property that gets damaged. And out of curiosity, what would you have done with New Orleans after Katrina? Think carefully before you answer because there are a lot of issues with New Orleans. And for fun, please tell us what you'd do w/r/t port cities. Those are obviously going to be on a coast and subject to storm damage.

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Every time you hear a news reader comment that Federal funds will be used to do something, you should think "TAX PAYER". That money doesn't come from excise/import duties as much now-a-days.


So do roads and highways. Your point?
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Re: Cantor: No emergency disaster relief funds without cuts
« Reply #26 on: September 02, 2011, 10:25:30 am »
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In that case, we need to depopulate much of the rivers and coasts.

 
Pretty much the entire US, since there is going to be some form of natural disaster in virtually every area of the country.
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« Reply #27 on: September 02, 2011, 10:30:02 am »
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Pretty much the entire US, since there is going to be some form of natural disaster in virtually every area of the country.


At the same time, much of what is not covered by insurance is flood related, most of the rest is covered by insurance, at least for the single family homes and rentals still under mortgage.  the low income are still in trouble for their possessions, but that is always the case and the government doesn't deal with that, if I understand.
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Re: Cantor: No emergency disaster relief funds without cuts
« Reply #28 on: September 02, 2011, 10:31:28 am »
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At the same time, much of what is not covered by insurance is flood related, most of the rest is covered by insurance, at least for the single family homes and rentals still under mortgage.  the low income are still in trouble for their possessions, but that is always the case and the government doesn't deal with that, if I understand.

 
I'm replying mainly to the idea that the taxpayer dollar rebuilds homes multiple times, and IIRC, this is only true for flood, not for storms in general.
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Re: Cantor: No emergency disaster relief funds without cuts
« Reply #29 on: September 02, 2011, 10:35:12 am »
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I'm replying mainly to the idea that the taxpayer dollar rebuilds homes multiple times, and IIRC, this is only true for flood, not for storms in general.

 
I would think, though, that it would apply to disasters other than just floods.

Then again, I find the whole idea of depopulating a coastline to be very naive.  Not only is there the question of where those millions of people going to go, but there are vital services that are handled best in those ares (thinking ports, here) and can't simply be relocated.
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