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The Disconnecteds
« on: December 17, 2017, 12:53:17 pm »
I was leaving a holiday party last night, wearing my new jacket with the star chart on the back for the first time; a friend, studying the back, said "I'm looking for Orion."

"It's not on there," I replied. "These are summer stars; Orion is a winter constellation."

Maybe I was too matter-of-fact Vulcan in the way I said it, because an acquaintance who was in the elevator with us snorted and said, "well of course!"--the clear implication being 'well NOT of course, who could be expected to know this extremely specialized information?' I shrugged, we all laughed about it, and went our separate ways into the night...

...but I feel sorry for the guy. I mean, long before I was pagan (or at least before I knew I was pagan), as far back as a teenager, I knew that seeing Orion in the sky spelled my personal doom, because it meant the winter weather I loathe was upon us. It's not like Orion is subtle, for Pete's sake; it's easily the most recognizable constellation in the northern sky, bar none. Even in the middle of light-polluted cities, it's there blazing. All you have to do is look up; and if you look up more than once in your life, how can you not eventually grasp that Orion is there when it's cold, and gone in the warm breezes of summertime? And even if you missed that fact in your lifetime, is it such a rarified notion that others wouldn't?

We who are nature-based pagans are particularly attuned to the natural world, granted. But are there really folks wandering around who are that disconnected to the universe they inhabit?
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Re: The Disconnecteds
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2017, 01:57:39 pm »
We who are nature-based pagans are particularly attuned to the natural world, granted. But are there really folks wandering around who are that disconnected to the universe they inhabit?

Hate to confess it, but yes. I've got more than a passing interest in space...but I couldn't have told you, off the top of my head, that Orion was a winter constellation. I can recognize it, certainly...it has some personal connection for me...but I really haven't taken the time to get acquainted with the heavens as seen from my own backyard.

And that's bad. I recognize that. Once other priorities are dealt with, I'd like to spend some serious time correcting that deficiency. I took a college course in Navigation through Naval ROTC at Rice about twenty-four years back and I know how to work a sight reduction cold, but I don't know how to handle a sextant or what to aim it at. But as long as you keep breathing, you really ought to keep learning. An objective to keep in mind.
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Re: The Disconnecteds
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2017, 04:24:47 pm »
I was leaving a holiday party last night, wearing my new jacket with the star chart on the back for the first time; a friend, studying the back, said "I'm looking for Orion."

"It's not on there," I replied. "These are summer stars; Orion is a winter constellation."

Maybe I was too matter-of-fact Vulcan in the way I said it, because an acquaintance who was in the elevator with us snorted and said, "well of course!"--the clear implication being 'well NOT of course, who could be expected to know this extremely specialized information?' I shrugged, we all laughed about it, and went our separate ways into the night...

...but I feel sorry for the guy. I mean, long before I was pagan (or at least before I knew I was pagan), as far back as a teenager, I knew that seeing Orion in the sky spelled my personal doom, because it meant the winter weather I loathe was upon us. It's not like Orion is subtle, for Pete's sake; it's easily the most recognizable constellation in the northern sky, bar none. Even in the middle of light-polluted cities, it's there blazing. All you have to do is look up; and if you look up more than once in your life, how can you not eventually grasp that Orion is there when it's cold, and gone in the warm breezes of summertime? And even if you missed that fact in your lifetime, is it such a rarified notion that others wouldn't?

We who are nature-based pagans are particularly attuned to the natural world, granted. But are there really folks wandering around who are that disconnected to the universe they inhabit?

Orion is viable in the southern hemisphere too. I always remember it because its near Betelgeuse. Although I think that it appears in summer down here. I think that people today are very unfamiliar with the stars because tall buildings and light pollution block them out. Which is a huge shame. I've seen concept art for how the night sky looked 10, 000 years ago, and the pictures are amazing.  Australia is lucky; we still have relatively clear skies, but its nowhere near as good as it could be. I'd like to see more measures developed to combat light pollution. Plus, I'd like to see casual 'observatories' created, places people can go at night to view the stars, both with the eyes and through pre-set telescopes. These sites could also provide information about astronomy to the public. I see no technical reason why such things cannot exist. All you need is the right tall building, not to close to an industrial centre, or the CBD, and it could be done.

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Re: The Disconnecteds
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2017, 05:48:44 pm »
We who are nature-based pagans are particularly attuned to the natural world, granted. But are there really folks wandering around who are that disconnected to the universe they inhabit?

I'll confess that if it weren't for my father I probably wouldn't have a clue how to even look for Orion, nevermind when. When I was young he would point out constellations when we would visit because where he lives there is remarkably little light pollution, and dad's just that sort of guy. (He also showed me which wild mushrooms were edible, but I've completely forgotten which they were because it wasn't knowledge I've used at any point.)

Is it sad? Yeah, kinda. But people connect to different things, I guess, or never had the desire to learn about such things. (Or just never thought to as it was so far removed from their day-to-day life.)

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Re: The Disconnecteds
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2017, 10:54:40 pm »
Hate to confess it, but yes. I've got more than a passing interest in space...but I couldn't have told you, off the top of my head, that Orion was a winter constellation.

But at least you don't seem to think knowing Orion is a winter constellation is a freakish thing.

I'll confess that if it weren't for my father I probably wouldn't have a clue how to even look for Orion, nevermind when. When I was young he would point out constellations when we would visit because where he lives there is remarkably little light pollution, and dad's just that sort of guy.

Is it sad? Yeah, kinda. But people connect to different things, I guess, or never had the desire to learn about such things. (Or just never thought to as it was so far removed from their day-to-day life.)

Fair enough. Maybe I just didn't realize how unusual a little knowledge of the night sky is these days.
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Re: The Disconnecteds
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2017, 11:27:33 pm »

We who are nature-based pagans are particularly attuned to the natural world, granted. But are there really folks wandering around who are that disconnected to the universe they inhabit?

Well...yeah.  It's more common to be disconnected with the universe to be connected, I'd say.  I mean think about the number of people who try to avoid death as if it's something that we have any control over.  Think about the number of people who adamantly refuse to go into a funeral home as if death is just going to appear before their eyes, touch their forehead and they'll be dead!  Not even fully realizing or understanding that the Universe simply doesn't work like that.  Unable to see the beauty that is death.
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Re: The Disconnecteds
« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2017, 11:39:45 pm »
Maybe I just didn't realize how unusual a little knowledge of the night sky is these days.

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Re: The Disconnecteds
« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2017, 11:43:02 pm »
Orion is viable in the southern hemisphere too. I always remember it because its near Betelgeuse. Although I think that it appears in summer down here.

That would make sense, as there are some constellations that straddle the equator and thus are common to both hemispheres, and Orion may be one of those; and if it is, then it would appear in about the same months for you in the Southern Hemisphere as it does for us in the north, I believe, and thus in your summer/our winter.

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Australia is lucky; we still have relatively clear skies, but its nowhere near as good as it could be.

Fun story in that regard that you may appreciate. Stop me if I've told it before.

In March of '96 I was at Uluru (a.k.a. Ayers Rock, the famous and sacred giant monolith in the middle of the Australian outback, for those who have never heard of it.) The air is so dry (outback=desert), and the area so isolated (i.e., very little light pollution), that it was as if someone had lowered the roof of the sky to put the stars in my face.

(Uluru would become the first leg of my multi-part "Five-way Road" pagan pilgrimage, and I wouldn't see stars that rivaled those again until some 15 years later on the last leg, at Qomolangma a.k.a. Mt. Everest, in the cold and clear air of the Himalayan mountains.)

That night, as I was walking back to the youth hostel where I was staying, I couldn't help but look up in astonishment the whole time...and as a result, I eventually ended up walking a lonely strip of road, with no landmarks, and no idea which way the hostel was. I was totally lost!

I kept walking if only to fight a rising panic, and finally spotted a single trailer with a single light on outside, and a single woman walking out and locking up. I *really* didn't want to approach her out of nowhere--my American expectations told me that as a large black man, approaching a white woman stranger alone at night in those circumstances is a recipe for disaster--but I didn't have any choice.

I asked if she knew the way back to town; she blinked for a second, started to give directions, and then said, "Oh, just hop in my truck and I'll drive ya."

Now it was my turn to blink, in astonishment.

My expectations blown, this very nice woman asked me where I was from as she drove me, and how I got lost. When I told her this Yank got lost because he couldn't tear his eyes off the night sky, she replies, "Oh, my husband runs the observatory up the hill! Come back to my house, you'll meet my daughter and have a bite, and when my husband comes home, maybe he can show you the observatory!"

I blinked. A lot.

So there I am, in this woman's house meeting her daughter, and the husband comes home. "Oh, I just locked up the observatory, but come on and I'll take you up there and we'll have a look!"

Mind you, the observatory was exactly what you describe, Yei: a couple of fixed pre-set telescopes on tripods. This was no Mt. Palomar or anything! BUT IT WAS AWESOME--not the least because of the unexpected human generosity I'd stumbled into as a total stranger with completely different expectations of the reception he'd receive. He showed me a nebula, and a globular cluster...tiny images in those scopes, but still breathtaking.

So yeah. Australia Is for Stargazers.
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Re: The Disconnecteds
« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2017, 11:47:01 pm »
City folk. Most of the time we don't see the stars.
This. When I lived in Raleigh and Greensboro I would be lucky to see any stars at all. There was just too much light pollution.

Even here in Asheboro, it's hard to see the stars until quite late. I wouldn't have noticed Orion's absence in the summer, because it would likely be around midnight before the stars really came out.

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Re: The Disconnecteds
« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2017, 06:16:46 am »
That would make sense, as there are some constellations that straddle the equator and thus are common to both hemispheres, and Orion may be one of those; and if it is, then it would appear in about the same months for you in the Southern Hemisphere as it does for us in the north, I believe, and thus in your summer/our winter.

Fun story in that regard that you may appreciate. Stop me if I've told it before.

In March of '96 I was at Uluru (a.k.a. Ayers Rock, the famous and sacred giant monolith in the middle of the Australian outback, for those who have never heard of it.) The air is so dry (outback=desert), and the area so isolated (i.e., very little light pollution), that it was as if someone had lowered the roof of the sky to put the stars in my face.

(Uluru would become the first leg of my multi-part "Five-way Road" pagan pilgrimage, and I wouldn't see stars that rivaled those again until some 15 years later on the last leg, at Qomolangma a.k.a. Mt. Everest, in the cold and clear air of the Himalayan mountains.)

That night, as I was walking back to the youth hostel where I was staying, I couldn't help but look up in astonishment the whole time...and as a result, I eventually ended up walking a lonely strip of road, with no landmarks, and no idea which way the hostel was. I was totally lost!

I kept walking if only to fight a rising panic, and finally spotted a single trailer with a single light on outside, and a single woman walking out and locking up. I *really* didn't want to approach her out of nowhere--my American expectations told me that as a large black man, approaching a white woman stranger alone at night in those circumstances is a recipe for disaster--but I didn't have any choice.

I asked if she knew the way back to town; she blinked for a second, started to give directions, and then said, "Oh, just hop in my truck and I'll drive ya."

Now it was my turn to blink, in astonishment.

My expectations blown, this very nice woman asked me where I was from as she drove me, and how I got lost. When I told her this Yank got lost because he couldn't tear his eyes off the night sky, she replies, "Oh, my husband runs the observatory up the hill! Come back to my house, you'll meet my daughter and have a bite, and when my husband comes home, maybe he can show you the observatory!"

I blinked. A lot.

So there I am, in this woman's house meeting her daughter, and the husband comes home. "Oh, I just locked up the observatory, but come on and I'll take you up there and we'll have a look!"

Mind you, the observatory was exactly what you describe, Yei: a couple of fixed pre-set telescopes on tripods. This was no Mt. Palomar or anything! BUT IT WAS AWESOME--not the least because of the unexpected human generosity I'd stumbled into as a total stranger with completely different expectations of the reception he'd receive. He showed me a nebula, and a globular cluster...tiny images in those scopes, but still breathtaking.

So yeah. Australia Is for Stargazers.
(Your new national motto. You're welcome.)
(And I know Aussies don't start every sentence with "oh," and they probably didn't, but that's kind of the way my mind remembers it.)

Cool story. First time I've heard it.

The closest I've come to anything like this was in high school. A few science teachers noticed that several planets were in roughly the same place, and so they organised a night for students to see them. They only had a few small telescopes, but they were good enough to see the planets. Got to see several, including Saturn and its rings. Saturn is the best.

All in all, a good night.

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Re: The Disconnecteds
« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2017, 11:03:47 am »
We who are nature-based pagans are particularly attuned to the natural world, granted. But are there really folks wandering around who are that disconnected to the universe they inhabit?

Australia is pretty great for stargazing, that's for sure. I'm always looking up at the stars, and I do know where Orion is, and a couple of other constellations, but I haven't been able to study it enough to notice the seasonal patterns. I'd really like to get a little telescope and dig into it some more. My eyesight is mediocre at best, so naked eye stuff is hard for me. There's always some sort of light pollution too, though it's not so bad it drowns out the stars completely. The sky out here is pretty good for the suburbs.

I was lucky enough to take an astronomy class when I was at uni, though, and we got to take a couple of trips up to the Perth Observatory and take photos through their telescopes, which was really cool. I've still got all my photos tucked away in an album somewhere. One of the best classes I've ever taken. <3
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Re: The Disconnecteds
« Reply #11 on: December 31, 2017, 09:05:15 pm »
We who are nature-based pagans are particularly attuned to the natural world, granted. But are there really folks wandering around who are that disconnected to the universe they inhabit?

TBH, yes. Several of my friends are so not in-tune with nature that when they want to go on hikes, they ask me to come so that I know how to guide them out of the forest and "back to civilisation" in case they get lost. That or die from eating the wrong berry.

Part of me honestly questions if this has to do with one's upbringing and/or nature. In grad school for my MST in Education, we were taught about Howard Gardner's Multiple Intelligences theory (read about it here), in which he proposed each person has intelligence(s) in different areas, such as arts, speaking, mathematics, and the such. Originally it was just seven, and then expanded to eight to include naturalistic (in '95), and he's proposed two more - existential and moral. However, I'd think a person not having these natural inclinations could nurture them if they were in the correct environment, i.e., if their families encouraged outdoor play, went out camping, etc, OR if they had a profound experience that made them think about developing that inclination into an intelligence over time.

However, that last bit does involve a lot of privilege and a certain socio-economic class. For example, many of my students have never been to a zoo before we went to the zoo this month (December). Reason why: most of my students' parents work many jobs to support their families and survive in the hell-hole that is NYC (hell-hole in regards to rent).
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« Reply #12 on: December 31, 2017, 10:07:43 pm »
Part of me honestly questions if this has to do with one's upbringing and/or nature. In grad school for my MST in Education, we were taught about Howard Gardner's Multiple Intelligences theory (read about it here), in which he proposed each person has intelligence(s) in different areas, such as arts, speaking, mathematics, and the such. Originally it was just seven, and then expanded to eight to include naturalistic (in '95), and he's proposed two more - existential and moral. However, I'd think a person not having these natural inclinations could nurture them if they were in the correct environment, i.e., if their families encouraged outdoor play, went out camping, etc, OR if they had a profound experience that made them think about developing that inclination into an intelligence over time.

However, that last bit does involve a lot of privilege and a certain socio-economic class. For example, many of my students have never been to a zoo before we went to the zoo this month (December). Reason why: most of my students' parents work many jobs to support their families and survive in the hell-hole that is NYC (hell-hole in regards to rent).

I suspect that culture plays a role. I have read several books (a long time ago) that have asserted that US people are considerably more disconnected from nature than Europeans and Australians, especially in the topic of food and where it actually comes from. I can sort of see where the are coming from. Many Australian cities (such as Adelaide and Melbourne) boast numerous and extensive parklands, and the schools I went to were often basically parks with school buildings. Plus, gardening used to be quite an Australian thing, although I think it is now on the decline. The upshot is that most Aussies are at least comfortable around nature, in a way that Americans maybe aren't. However, I'm not sure what the real situation is, and the USA is so diverse anyway so any generalisations are likely to be inaccurate.

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Re: The Disconnecteds
« Reply #13 on: December 31, 2017, 11:10:15 pm »
We who are nature-based pagans are particularly attuned to the natural world, granted. But are there really folks wandering around who are that disconnected to the universe they inhabit?

Earlier this year a few of my Facebook friends were all sharing the same post - something about "tonight being the biggest full moon of the year and it's bright pink" or some such nonsense. After multiple shares I finally had to write my own post: "Dudes. The moon has been waning for almost two weeks. It's nearly a new moon. Go outside once in awhile and you'd know this."

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« Reply #14 on: January 01, 2018, 12:15:00 am »
Earlier this year a few of my Facebook friends were all sharing the same post - something about "tonight being the biggest full moon of the year and it's bright pink" or some such nonsense. After multiple shares I finally had to write my own post: "Dudes. The moon has been waning for almost two weeks. It's nearly a new moon. Go outside once in awhile and you'd know this."
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