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Some thoughts on Christopaganism
« on: July 02, 2019, 03:56:48 pm »

 
I am a christian with an interest in folk magic and would be happy to talk about that

There are also a lot of christian witches on tumblr it might be worth following

I thought that I might revive this Thread. I identify as a Pagan Christian. I feel that I need to study the New Testament in more depth to see any parallels with Paganisms. I do identify Christ as having some apparent Pagan characteristics.

The living, dying, reborn god is something found outside of Christianity. I have heard some correspondences between Christ and Horus. Also maybe similarities between Christ and Dionysus. I also have some UPG where I see similarities between Christ and Krishna.

Anyway, my amalgam of Christianity is a polytheism that places Christ at the head of the many gods. I view Christ as a sort of first amongst many deities, a Prince amongst gods.

So, those are a few of my thoughts on Christopaganism.

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Re: Some thoughts on Christopaganism
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2019, 04:20:28 pm »
...I have been making myself try to more spiritual practices then usual lately to help me get through this difficult time in my life.

I also am realizing I am still fairly new to my pagan/wiccan life style and having more mentors in my life that I could learn from and grow from would be highly appreciated on my part.

and for the most part it has been helping me out, but the lack of friends and close friends I have to reach out to and talk to does not help.

Since I associate myself as christo pagan witch its often times hard for me to make friends even in the pagan community cause there can be a bit of judgements towards people like me.

It occurred to me that maybe this Thread was too old to revive, but I have revived it anyway, so I will make a few more comments. I also wanted to address the need that some solitary folks might have for mentors, teachers, or guides. Mostly I find my teachers in books and sometimes from UPG experiences of different powers or entities. I also think that some people can learn from others who are more on the same level, mutual peer support rather than a hierarchical teacher/student relationship.

I have no experience in polyamory, and so do not have anything to say about the original post in that regard. I do think that there are probably more people out there that mix Christianity and some Paganisms together, and I suspect that one could form a circle, coven, or group around such beliefs and/or practices. I think a circle of peers might help some to learn and experience more.

In some Christian traditions that I know, there is the concept of the Spiritual Director, but again, this might be too hierarchical for my tastes. I think two or more peers of Christian Pagans in this case would be more beneficial than a mentor/student relationship, but that is just my preference. I would also encourage people who are interested in Christopaganism to look into Celtic Christianity and the Carmina Gaedelica, a celtic book of folk prayers.

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Re: Some thoughts on Christopaganism
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2019, 06:04:23 pm »
It occurred to me that maybe this Thread was too old to revive, but I have revived it anyway, so I will make a few more comments.

I think this is one of those cases where moving to a new thread might work better - reviving threads is fine, but in this case, where it was a specific person (no longer active on the forum) asking for help, and it's been quite a while (a couple of years), starting a new thread will make it easier for people to figure out what's going on.

I know when I opened this, I was rather "Wait, there's something new in that thread? Why?"
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Re: Some thoughts on Christopaganism
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2019, 07:26:10 pm »
I think this is one of those cases where moving to a new thread might work better - reviving threads is fine, but in this case, where it was a specific person (no longer active on the forum) asking for help, and it's been quite a while (a couple of years), starting a new thread will make it easier for people to figure out what's going on.

I know when I opened this, I was rather "Wait, there's something new in that thread? Why?"

Yes, sorry Jenett, I think that you are right. I made a mistake reviving this Thread. I was reading through the archives and saw this Thread and wanted to post about Christopaganism. So I kind of jumped the gun without thinking. After I posted, I realized it would have been smarter to start a newer Thread or find an older Thread that was more germaine. I wish that I could have my posts moved or deleted, but I understand board policy is to leave posts up, warts and all. So again, sorry.

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Re: Some thoughts on Christopaganism
« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2019, 05:51:14 pm »
Yes, sorry Jenett, I think that you are right. I made a mistake reviving this Thread. I was reading through the archives and saw this Thread and wanted to post about Christopaganism. So I kind of jumped the gun without thinking. After I posted, I realized it would have been smarter to start a newer Thread or find an older Thread that was more germaine. I wish that I could have my posts moved or deleted, but I understand board policy is to leave posts up, warts and all. So again, sorry.

Deleting is against board policy, but splitting these posts into their own thread is not only possible, but a good idea, and I've done so. (I chose 'Non-Pagan Religions and Interfaith Discussions' to put it in, not because Christopaganism isn't pagan enough, but because of its innately interfaith nature.)

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Re: Some thoughts on Christopaganism
« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2019, 06:11:12 pm »
Deleting is against board policy, but splitting these posts into their own thread is not only possible, but a good idea, and I've done so. (I chose 'Non-Pagan Religions and Interfaith Discussions' to put it in, not because Christopaganism isn't pagan enough, but because of its innately interfaith nature.)

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Re: Some thoughts on Christopaganism
« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2019, 06:54:16 pm »
It occurred to me that maybe this Thread was too old to revive, but I have revived it anyway, so I will make a few more comments. I also wanted to address the need that some solitary folks might have for mentors, teachers, or guides. Mostly I find my teachers in books and sometimes from UPG experiences of different powers or entities. I also think that some people can learn from others who are more on the same level, mutual peer support rather than a hierarchical teacher/student relationship.

I have no experience in polyamory, and so do not have anything to say about the original post in that regard. I do think that there are probably more people out there that mix Christianity and some Paganisms together, and I suspect that one could form a circle, coven, or group around such beliefs and/or practices. I think a circle of peers might help some to learn and experience more.

In some Christian traditions that I know, there is the concept of the Spiritual Director, but again, this might be too hierarchical for my tastes. I think two or more peers of Christian Pagans in this case would be more beneficial than a mentor/student relationship, but that is just my preference. I would also encourage people who are interested in Christopaganism to look into Celtic Christianity and the Carmina Gaedelica, a celtic book of folk prayers.

Another thought occurred to me regarding religious mentors and teachers. As I have said, I prefer non-hierarchical relationships, but I will be the first to note if someone knows more than I about whatever topic.

That said, I do not think that everyone needs to an expert scholar or theologian to practice their relgion. It is good to find a teacher or a good book, but sometimes you have to find your own way. Expecting everyone to be an advanced student or scholar is sort of like expecting everyone to be their own priest or priestess.

I also believe in freedom of religion and that implies to me that everyone has the right to choose their own beliefs without necessarily being on the level of a scholar or theologian.

That does not mean to me that people shouldn't do their due diligence regarding the study of one's religion. It just means to me that people have the right to their own religious views even if they are a novice. You don't have to be an expert to practice a religion.

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Re: Some thoughts on Christopaganism
« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2019, 09:27:27 pm »
I would also encourage people who are interested in Christopaganism to look into Celtic Christianity and the Carmina Gaedelica, a celtic book of folk prayers.

I wanted to come back to Celtic Christianity and the Carmina Gaedelica. While the Carmina is Christian not Pagan, I would suggest it is influenced by Celtic Paganism and folk ways where prayer, Nature, and the Sacred intersect.

So I think the Celtic Church has its own flavor of sacred nature that you do not see as much in other branches of the Church.

I am particularly interested in where Paganism and Christianity intersect in Celtic Culture. Brigid being both a goddess and a saint is fascinating to me.

I am also interested in how Nature is addressed in Christianity. Nature as Sacred seems to me to be a primary characteristic of Paganisms. I would like to see how Nature is addressed in Christianity. I would like to find out more about that.

I wonder if any here who has a strong grasp of Christian scripture might be able to point out what the Bible says about Nature. I was raised Catholic and do not recall much being said about Nature other than God created it and placed Adam over it. I wonder if there are any key scriptures which address Nature in the Bible.

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Re: Some thoughts on Christopaganism
« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2019, 10:57:32 pm »
I wonder if there are any key scriptures which address Nature in the Bible.

After reading your posts, I wondered the same thing. I did a Google search and found the following:

https://www.openbible.info/topics/nature

It's somewhere to start, I suppose.  :)

ETA: I would not say I have a strong grasp of the bible. Bible-reading was not a part of my upbringing.
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Re: Some thoughts on Christopaganism
« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2019, 11:40:09 pm »
I wonder if any here who has a strong grasp of Christian scripture might be able to point out what the Bible says about Nature. I was raised Catholic and do not recall much being said about Nature other than God created it and placed Adam over it. I wonder if there are any key scriptures which address Nature in the Bible.

The psalms speak of the valleys laughing and singing, and there is a canticle in the Daily Office (and Little Office of the Blessed Virgin) addressing stars, the moon, and other elements of nature to bless God.
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Re: Some thoughts on Christopaganism
« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2019, 01:05:03 pm »
After reading your posts, I wondered the same thing. I did a Google search and found the following:

https://www.openbible.info/topics/nature

It's somewhere to start, I suppose.  :)

ETA: I would not say I have a strong grasp of the bible. Bible-reading was not a part of my upbringing.

Thanks for that link. Good stuff. I guess I could have googled that myself, but every once in a while I like to just ask people questions. It is what we oldsters did before the Internet. I am going to read and re-read those Bible quotes. Thanks again for posting them.

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Re: Some thoughts on Christopaganism
« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2019, 01:10:07 pm »
The psalms speak of the valleys laughing and singing, and there is a canticle in the Daily Office (and Little Office of the Blessed Virgin) addressing stars, the moon, and other elements of nature to bless God.

Thanks for that response. It does not surprise me that there are nature passages in Psalms. Psalms and Proverbs are the most beautiful and poetic part of the Bible. They are my favorite part of the Bible. I used to keep a pocket New Testament with Psalms and Proverbs in my winter jacket and just read them wherever I was, on the bus, in the library, etc. I don't have a great memory, so I would read and re-read them. Great stuff.  Anyway, thanks again for the post.

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Re: Some thoughts on Christopaganism
« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2019, 01:43:50 am »
Thanks for that link. Good stuff. I guess I could have googled that myself, but every once in a while I like to just ask people questions. It is what we oldsters did before the Internet. I am going to read and re-read those Bible quotes. Thanks again for posting them.

I was also born before the "look everything up on Google" era when people asked each other questions, so I'm right there with you! :) When you ask a person a question, it usually leads to discussion which is something Google cannot do.

I'm happy to discuss any of the quotes. Bible-reading wasn't a big part of my upbringing (RC) - which might be a good thing because it means I can potentially read verses with fresh eyes and not have my interpretations layered with what I've been *told* they mean. :)

I haven't left Christianity completely behind but I have made a distinction between the teachings and the institution and its rules and regulations. I'm probably somewhere on the Christopagan paradigm with a bit of hedgewitchery and tarot and so on mixed in. I'm not sure what to call myself, really.

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Re: Some thoughts on Christopaganism
« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2019, 01:52:26 am »
... I have made a distinction between the teachings and the institution and its rules and regulations.

Just to clarify: "between the teachings (on one side) and the institution and its rules and regulations (on the other)."
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Re: Some thoughts on Christopaganism
« Reply #14 on: July 11, 2019, 05:02:23 pm »
I was also born before the "look everything up on Google" era when people asked each other questions, so I'm right there with you! :) When you ask a person a question, it usually leads to discussion which is something Google cannot do.

I'm happy to discuss any of the quotes. Bible-reading wasn't a big part of my upbringing (RC) - which might be a good thing because it means I can potentially read verses with fresh eyes and not have my interpretations layered with what I've been *told* they mean. :)

I haven't left Christianity completely behind but I have made a distinction between the teachings and the institution and its rules and regulations. I'm probably somewhere on the Christopagan paradigm with a bit of hedgewitchery and tarot and so on mixed in. I'm not sure what to call myself, really.

I had missed your post above and just discovered that you made it. Good points. I agree with you about Google. We live in an age of instant information. We still need to connect to other people, talk with them, have discussions, learn things, gain new perspectives.

Anyway, thanks for your response. I would also add as a minor note that I tend to see Judeo-Christian symbolism in the Tarot (esoteric Western mysticism and Christian Kabbalah). So, I think that Tarot can fit into some Christian or Christopagan schemas. I am not as knowledgeble about hedgewitchery, but I can imagine that some aspects of folk magic can mix with some folk aspects of Christianity as well. I would like to learn more about that.

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