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« on: October 05, 2019, 02:30:22 pm »
So I just recently came across the term "Omnism", which is essentially a belief that there is truth in all religions. I have used the term "Universalist" for my own similar views (that there is meaning in all religions; truth is more fact based and objective in my book, whereas meaning implies a certain amount of subjectivity). So I was wondering if anyone had any opinions on this term and the idea behind it. I am not saying that all religions are "true", but rather that all have "meaning". This can include non-belief also in my book.

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Re: Omnism
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2019, 02:34:15 pm »
So I just recently came across the term "Omnism", which is essentially a belief that there is truth in all religions. I have used the term "Universalist" for my own similar views (that there is meaning in all religions; truth is more fact based and objective in my book, whereas meaning implies a certain amount of subjectivity). So I was wondering if anyone had any opinions on this term and the idea behind it. I am not saying that all religions are "true", but rather that all have "meaning". This can include non-belief also in my book.

Here is a link to the Wikipedia page for anyone interested: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnism

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Re: Omnism
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2019, 03:41:19 pm »
So I just recently came across the term "Omnism", which is essentially a belief that there is truth in all religions. I have used the term "Universalist" for my own similar views (that there is meaning in all religions; truth is more fact based and objective in my book, whereas meaning implies a certain amount of subjectivity).

One of the founders of TC, Ann Wilson, was an Omnist. Unfortunately our original DelphiForums forum is impossible to usefully search unless you have a paid Delphiforums member or you could probably find a lot of discussion on Omnism there.
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Re: Omnism
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2019, 04:06:59 pm »
One of the founders of TC, Ann Wilson, was an Omnist. Unfortunately our original DelphiForums forum is impossible to usefully search unless you have a paid Delphiforums member or you could probably find a lot of discussion on Omnism there.

Yes, thanks for the comment. I am not too techie and am not a Delphiforums member. Too bad that those posts are not in an accessible archive. I have been using the term "universalist" for a long time, but lately the term "omnism" was brought to my attention.

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Re: Omnism
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2019, 01:47:38 am »
So I just recently came across the term "Omnism", which is essentially a belief that there is truth in all religions. I have used the term "Universalist" for my own similar views (that there is meaning in all religions; truth is more fact based and objective in my book, whereas meaning implies a certain amount of subjectivity). So I was wondering if anyone had any opinions on this term and the idea behind it. I am not saying that all religions are "true", but rather that all have "meaning". This can include non-belief also in my book.

I think "Omnism" is a great term to use! And I think I subscribe to this belief as well.

The trouble with using the term "Universalism" to describe this concept is that it's already used to refer to the subset of Christians who believe that all humans go to heaven - "Universalism" being shorthand for "universal salvation".

I belong to a Unitarian Universalist congregatation, and it's interesting that modern-day UU theology is very Omnist. Our guiding principles explicitly say that we draw wisdom and inspiration from *all* the world's religions. But the UU name comes from the merging of two explicitly Christian sects - Unitarians, who rejected the idea of the Trinity, and Universalists, who rejected the idea of hell. There's one older guy who grew up in a Universalist church, before the merger, who keeps having to explain to people that the "Universalist" part of the name is a Christian concept. At this point, I'd say there's only a small minority of our congregation that identifies as Christian at all.

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Re: Omnism
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2019, 01:22:52 pm »
there is truth in all religions
Yes. As I understand it, if the theory is true, then it's religion. If it's false, then it's a cult.

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Re: Omnism
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2019, 10:28:06 am »
So I just recently came across the term "Omnism", which is essentially a belief that there is truth in all religions. I have used the term "Universalist" for my own similar views (that there is meaning in all religions; truth is more fact based and objective in my book, whereas meaning implies a certain amount of subjectivity). So I was wondering if anyone had any opinions on this term and the idea behind it. I am not saying that all religions are "true", but rather that all have "meaning". This can include non-belief also in my book.

Personally, I don't think there's much of a difference in the meaning behind universalism/-ist and omnism/-ist other than a new name for an old idea. Sometimes when a word or name gets overused or becomes hackneyed, and loses its punch, a new name or word is coined.

I'm Hindu, but I believe all religions are valid for their followers. Islam is perfectly valid and truthful... for a Muslim, but not for a Buddhist, Sikh, or Hindu. Hinduism is perfectly valid and truthful for a Hindu, but not necessarily for a Christian or Jew or Muslim. And so on. It's the parable of the blind men and the elephant. Each blind man perceives only one part of the complete elephant. Likewise, limited humans can perceive only part of the Truth. Verse 10.164.46 of the Rig Veda is an example of universalist/omnist thinking...

índraṃ mitráṃ váruṇam agním āhur átho divyáḥ sá suparṇó garútmān
ékaṃ sádvíprā bahudhā́ vadanty agníṃ yamáṃ mātaríśvānam āhuḥ

They called him Indra, Mitra, Varuṇa, Agni; yea, he is heavenly Garuḍa, who has beautiful wings.
That which is One, the sages call by many names; they called him Agni, Yama, Mātariśvan.

The text could have easily said
índraṃ mitráṃ váruṇam agním āhur átho divyáḥ sá suparṇó garútmān
odinam yeshvam allaham deuṣam ca
(my faux Sanskrit inflecting)
ékaṃ sádvíprā bahudhā́ vadanty agníṃ yamáṃ mātaríśvānam āhuḥ

They called him Indra, Mitra, Varuṇa, Agni; yea, he is heavenly Garuḍa, who has beautiful wings
Odin  Yeshua Allah and Deus
That which is One, the sages call by many names; they called him Agni, Yama, Mātariśvan


However, there's a difference between universalism/omnism and syncretism/eclecticism. Universalism and omnism are easy enough to hold as beliefs and philosophies; syncretism and eclecticism are largely all but impossible to practice. Confusion and conflict can set in.
śivāya vishnu rūpaya śivaḥ rūpaya vishnave
śivasya hridayam viṣṇur viṣṇoscha hridayam śivaḥ
Vishnu's appearance is Shiva; Shiva's appearance is Vishnu
Vishnu is the heart of Shiva; Shiva is the heart of Vishnu - Skandopanishad
 

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Re: Omnism
« Reply #7 on: Yesterday at 03:24:14 pm »
So I just recently came across the term "Omnism",

When I first saw your thread on the forum I couldn't help thinking of Omnianism from the Discworld   ;)

I see that a good little discussion ensued, however.

As I understand it, if the theory is true, then it's religion. If it's false, then it's a cult.

This got me thinking...  If the adherents of a cult believe it to be their religion, then it must have a level of truth at least for them, mustn't it?

How would this then dovetail with the concept of Omnism (if at all)?

(I realise that cults generally have an element of removal of free will where their recruits are concerned, alongside other undesirable practices.)
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