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Author Topic: NOAH the Movie: The Bible It's Not  (Read 3568 times)

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Re: NOAH the Movie: The Bible It's Not
« Reply #15 on: April 02, 2014, 05:10:20 pm »
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I *did* hear criticisms of it from some clergy (especially Catholic) that it was exploitive. The one that stuck in my head was that the film lingered in such detail on Jesus's sufferings, in a really excessive manner, and didn't balance it out with a discussion of theology.

It was certainly gory. I've never seen it, because I know that level of violence is something I can't tolerate. It just seemed gratuitous. Like Gibson was really relishing all the blood and guts and guilt aspects of it.

 
I haven't seen it, either*, but I distinctly remember someone on a pagan forum I was a member of (I can't remember if it was TC or one I was a member of prior to coming here) saying that in that film, Jesus was whipped five times more than what Roman law recommended.

*and given that I once heard it described with "you can practically see Gibson's semen stains all over it," I don't want to.


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Re: NOAH the Movie: The Bible It's Not
« Reply #16 on: April 02, 2014, 05:30:19 pm »
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Not really going to tell them what they should do, I'm not their mother. Did Mel Gibson's The Passion get this much flack, though? I either didn't notice or don't remember.

 
I don't know how much flack it got from the general public but I was forced to sit through the movie and it was one of the most grotesque things I've ever seen that wasn't labeled a horror film. Seriously I think they used more fake blood in that film then they use in an episode of True Blood.

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Re: NOAH the Movie: The Bible It's Not
« Reply #17 on: April 03, 2014, 06:38:19 pm »
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Essentially, the original Noah story doesn't really contain any information to help an ordinary person live their life and this movie does. Really, I think that should be the standard by which myths are judged.


Your standard intrigues me.

Applying that standard, how would you evaluate, say, the Persephone's myth?
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Re: NOAH the Movie: The Bible It's Not
« Reply #18 on: April 04, 2014, 12:44:01 pm »
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Your standard intrigues me.

Applying that standard, how would you evaluate, say, the Persephone's myth?

 
I will admit that I haven't thought this through completely, and there might be some holes in my standard, but I'll take a shot at this myth.

Off the top of my head, there are two important lessons to be taken from the Persephone myth. First of all, the importance of empathy. Zeus and Hades act without considering the feelings of Persephone or Demeter and, as a result, Demeter's grief almost destroys all life. Even after Zeus tries to fix his mistake, the world still winds up tainted by grief for a third of the year. Had they exercised empathy from the beginning, the world would be a better place.

Second, the myth teaches the importance of not accepting gifts or hospitality from unscrupulous people. You never know what the price will be. These are both lessons that can help normal people be more moral and intelligent in their everyday lives.

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Re: NOAH the Movie: The Bible It's Not
« Reply #19 on: April 04, 2014, 02:18:59 pm »
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I will admit that I haven't thought this through completely, and there might be some holes in my standard, but I'll take a shot at this myth.


Thanks! I'm going to keep your standard consciously in mind. I think I had something similar in operation ("Is there Truth to be found in this myth?"), but it's always good to hear someone else's take.
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Re: NOAH the Movie: The Bible It's Not
« Reply #20 on: April 04, 2014, 04:32:14 pm »
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I don't know how much flack it got from the general public but I was forced to sit through the movie and it was one of the most grotesque things I've ever seen that wasn't labeled a horror film. Seriously I think they used more fake blood in that film then they use in an episode of True Blood.

 
Seriously.  I need my film violence implied, I can't take it.  I almost had to turn off Slumdog Millionaire because I couldn't take them beating on the kids.  But I was forced to sit through Passion of the Christ.  I was with a church group and after we went to a beautiful park to discuss or think about the film.  A couple groups broke off to talk, but I wandered off by myself and reveled in the beauty of the place and nature.

This is also the reason I can't watch 12 Years a Slave, no matter how good of a film "they" say it is or how good of an education it would be for me.

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Re: NOAH the Movie: The Bible It's Not
« Reply #21 on: April 05, 2014, 01:30:27 am »
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Thanks! I'm going to keep your standard consciously in mind. I think I had something similar in operation ("Is there Truth to be found in this myth?"), but it's always good to hear someone else's take.

 
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Re: NOAH the Movie: The Bible It's Not
« Reply #22 on: April 05, 2014, 03:01:18 am »
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It got flack, but mostly it was accusations of Anti-Semitism (which, given who made the movie, is probably valid).

 

As a Bible scholar: oh man those accusations were totally warranted.  He shoehorned in a LOT of extra-Biblical stuff, and a lot of it was stuff like Jewish priests mournfully saying they were guilty of murdering Christ and the stain would be on them and their descendants forever.
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Re: NOAH the Movie: The Bible It's Not
« Reply #23 on: April 06, 2014, 02:44:03 pm »
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You know who'd make an awesome casting choice for Moses? A Jewish person. =P

 
Being that the story comes down from Jewish lore, you make a great point.

Except that Biblically speaking, Moses and his immediate family are the ancestors of all races as they were the only humans left after the flood.
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Re: NOAH the Movie: The Bible It's Not
« Reply #24 on: April 06, 2014, 03:16:59 pm »
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Being that the story comes down from Jewish lore, you make a great point.

Except that Biblically speaking, Moses and his immediate family are the ancestors of all races as they were the only humans left after the flood.

I think maybe you mean Noah in that sentence because Moses is pretty well defined in terms of who "his people" are, and those people are the Jews. That's the whole point of the story.
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Re: NOAH the Movie: The Bible It's Not
« Reply #25 on: April 06, 2014, 03:32:04 pm »
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I think maybe you mean Noah in that sentence because Moses is pretty well defined in terms of who "his people" are, and those people are the Jews. That's the whole point of the story.


Yah know......... I went got the names all backwards there - thinking of the movie in question in the thread title and reading that in instead of what you said....... I think I need more coffee before posting......

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Re: NOAH the Movie: The Bible It's Not
« Reply #26 on: April 10, 2014, 08:15:20 am »
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But do they have cause to be? Is it fundamentally wrong to take someone's sacred story and change it beyond recognition to create a new one? Or does it depend on the circumstances? We neopagans of various stripes have seen wonky movies of our sacred stuff, from THE CRAFT to the THOR movies, and for the most part we shrug them off as entertainments irrelevant to our religions. Should Christians and Jews do the same here? Are some of them so irate simply because they're unaccustomed to seeing *their* myths transmogrified into something new?

As its own myth, I found NOAH somewhat interesting. But since they decided to call it NOAH, did the filmmakers have an obligation to stay true to the original?

 
Haven't' seen the movie (of course being at sea for most of the past 6 months means I haven't seen Any newish movies).

Personally I think movie makers Should be true to the title / original story or be far enough away that it's obviously not the same story.  A Noah that is set in more modern times (Evan Almighty), or even a SF (Silent Running sort of) is fine, nobody expects more than the bare bones similarity or nod to the original.

My idea that they should be true to the original material has nothing to do with this particular movie, but with any move (looking at Starship Troopers, Dune).  

Comments up thread about adding personality sounds fine, and would be well within the directors job.  Lots of biblical material needs interpretation and addition, let alone enough to make a decent movie.

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Re: NOAH the Movie: The Bible It's Not
« Reply #27 on: October 12, 2014, 10:14:24 pm »
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Has anybody else seen the new Darren Aronofsky movie NOAH yet, starring Russell Crowe?

I'm putting this here rather than under "Music, Television, and Film" because it's the Judeo-Christian myth aspect of the movie--or lack thereof--that I find most fascinating. This is a completely different myth, keeping only the barest bones of the original and re-interpreting it into an enviro-vegan manifesto.

No wonder the right-wing Christians are up in arms!

But do they have cause to be? Is it fundamentally wrong to take someone's sacred story and change it beyond recognition to create a new one? Or does it depend on the circumstances? We neopagans of various stripes have seen wonky movies of our sacred stuff, from THE CRAFT to the THOR movies, and for the most part we shrug them off as entertainments irrelevant to our religions. Should Christians and Jews do the same here? Are some of them so irate simply because they're unaccustomed to seeing *their* myths transmogrified into something new?

As its own myth, I found NOAH somewhat interesting. But since they decided to call it NOAH, did the filmmakers have an obligation to stay true to the original?

I don't think so but than again, I'm not the typical Christian or Jew who would find a movie like this offensive. I'm the type of person who would like to see a Jesus movie where the actor doesn't look like a stereotypical Jesus or better yet, a movie that hypotheticalizes what non-Jewish pagans wouldn't thought of Jesus back then? Like for example, how would a pagan in Greece see Jesus back in that time period.
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Re: NOAH the Movie: The Bible It's Not
« Reply #28 on: October 13, 2014, 09:35:43 am »
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, in a really excessive manner, and didn't balance it out with a discussion of theology.

It was certainly gory. I've never seen it, because I know that level of violence is something I can't tolerate. It just seemed gratuitous. Like Gibson was really relishing all the blood and guts and guilt aspects of it.


I saw this movie on a first date.

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Re: NOAH the Movie: The Bible It's Not
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 Like for example, how would a pagan in Greece see Jesus back in that time period.

 
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