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Re: Did Anyone Else Have One Foot Stuck In Their Birth Religion?....
« Reply #15 on: February 21, 2013, 05:07:13 pm »
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I have not invalidated her words.  And my understanding was based on what was written.

 
I apologize for the misunderstanding on my part, but this is getting childish now.

I understand Catholicism is a part of Christianity. Anyone even remotely interested in the Catholic Church would know that. I thought adding my journey towards Catholicism (from Protestantism) would be of value to the issue at hand, but looking back, I guess not.
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« Reply #16 on: February 21, 2013, 06:17:09 pm »
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I have not invalidated her words.  And my understanding was based on what was written.

You misunderstood. Let it go.

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Re: Did Anyone Else Have One Foot Stuck In Their Birth Religion?....
« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2013, 08:39:22 pm »
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Was anyone else like this? What helped to finalize your path in either your birth religion or another?

Thanks

 
It's not past tense with me. I've been in and out of Christianity for years. I've given up trying to "finalize" my path. Right now I believe in Christ while I practice with my Norse deities.

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Re: Did Anyone Else Have One Foot Stuck In Their Birth Religion?....
« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2013, 08:44:15 pm »
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You misunderstood. Let it go.

 
I understood what was written.  Elizabeth has explained what she meant, which was fine, it is everyone else telling me that I misunderstood that is the problem.
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« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2013, 10:20:16 pm »
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I understood what was written.  Elizabeth has explained what she meant, which was fine, it is everyone else telling me that I misunderstood that is the problem.

She meant one thing, which appears to have been clear to everyone else. You're the one who keeps insisting BUT SHE SAID. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm far from impressed.
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Re: Did Anyone Else Have One Foot Stuck In Their Birth Religion?....
« Reply #20 on: February 21, 2013, 10:34:02 pm »
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She meant one thing, which appears to have been clear to everyone else. You're the one who keeps insisting BUT SHE SAID. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm far from impressed.

 
I am not here to impress you, do that for yourself.  I stated why I reached the understanding that I did.  And as long as am I being told what I should of thought I will maintain that with the information in the original post my understanding was mine.

She latter provided information that was not in the original post which is another story.
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« Reply #21 on: February 22, 2013, 09:00:15 am »
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I am not here to impress you, do that for yourself.  I stated why I reached the understanding that I did.  And as long as am I being told what I should of thought I will maintain that with the information in the original post my understanding was mine.

She latter provided information that was not in the original post which is another story.

So are you going to keep playing dog with a bone or actually take part in the conversation?

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« Reply #22 on: February 22, 2013, 09:05:51 am »
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I feel a strong pull towards Catholicism, I do not know why. But I also want to do my own thing. I struggle with figuring out what that is.

I constantly waffle between the two.

Have you considered doing both? I've known several "Christo-Pagans" (online, I don't know any pagans of any sort IRL, unfortunately) and other who have blended their beliefs about Christianity (most often Catholicism) with Pagan and other beliefs....

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Re: Did Anyone Else Have One Foot Stuck In Their Birth Religion?....
« Reply #23 on: February 22, 2013, 09:09:54 am »
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So are you going to keep playing dog with a bone or actually take part in the conversation?

 
As long as someone tells me, what I should have thought based on what was written in theoriginal post, I will maintain that what I understood was my understanding based on what was written.

Why do you keep trowing the bone?
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Re: Did Anyone Else Have One Foot Stuck In Their Birth Religion?....
« Reply #24 on: February 22, 2013, 02:15:27 pm »
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Have you considered doing both? I've known several "Christo-Pagans" (online, I don't know any pagans of any sort IRL, unfortunately) and other who have blended their beliefs about Christianity (most often Catholicism) with Pagan and other beliefs....

 
I spent several years as a practicing (though self-identified heretical) Catholic doing loosely ceremonial magic and approaching from the theological POV that as long as YHWH came "first" (ie I didn't have any other gods before him, and I didn't use idols specifically) then it worked out okay.

I still go to a couple of the saints and angels sometimes, to be honest, but ultimately I just didn't get along well enough with either YHWH or Jesus to consider it worth sticking it out as a Catholic.

(I still go to midnight mass at Christmas though.)
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Re: Did Anyone Else Have One Foot Stuck In Their Birth Religion?....
« Reply #25 on: February 22, 2013, 03:51:53 pm »
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Why do you keep trowing the bone?

 
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Since mlr52 has made it clear that, as long as anyone is responding to him here, he's going to keep picking it up, we need to let it go, so that the thread can focus on Elizabeth's question.

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Re: Did Anyone Else Have One Foot Stuck In Their Birth Religion?....
« Reply #26 on: February 23, 2013, 11:03:32 am »
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Was anyone else like this? What helped to finalize your path in either your birth religion or another?

Thanks

 
I think a lot of times you need to look at why you keep waffling between the two.  What is it about each that keeps you drawn to both?  Are there specific aspects of Christianity/Catholicism that you love?  Or is it mostly just emotional (i.e. it is your birth religion and you just have a fondness for it)?  I think when people want to leave their birth religion, but are not doing so on bad terms, it`s kind of like breaking up with someone that you still care a lot about but it simply wasn`t working for varoius reasons.  Even though you know it could never work, you still have a fondness/affection for them.  However, if you feel that fondness in and of itself is reason enough to stay, then by all means, feel free to stay with your birth religion. :)

As others have said in this thread, sometimes people can combine the two (I`m still confused on how that works, but people apparently do it, lol).  If there are specific aspects of Christianity that you like, such as the worship in Catholicism then I would think it would be rather easy to incorporate that into your pagan rituals.  I`m pretty sure music is used, to some extent, in virtually every religion.  The relationship with the gods is often different in Christianity than in Paganism, so if the specific style of relationship you have with god is what you like about Christianity then maybe Christianity is still a good option for you.  But, really it comes down to what matters to you about each religion and why you are torn between the two.  

To sum up your actual question, though: no, you are most certainly not the only one who has "one foot stuck" in another religion.  I have a great fondness for my birth religion.  My story is that it just eventually reached a point where it became ... false.  But, that`s not say I won`t go back to it some day.  Who knows what the future holds.  Right now I`m pagan, and happily so.  However, I reserve the right to change my spiritual views later in life if so choose. :ange:

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« Reply #27 on: February 23, 2013, 12:11:32 pm »
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I was brought up Christian, but ventured into Catholicism on my own. I disagree with a lot of their teachings, as well as Jesus as Messiah, but I feel stuck there.

At this point in my life, I am examining what I want to teach my children when I have them. I want them to grow up knowing they can choose where they want to go spiritually. I want them to be confident that they can choose their own path.

I feel a strong pull towards Catholicism, I do not know why. But I also want to do my own thing. I struggle with figuring out what that is.

I constantly waffle between the two. For a few weeks, I can be fine with deciding to leave Christianity. But then, WHAM, I feel like I should give it one more try. And back and forth it goes.

Was anyone else like this? What helped to finalize your path in either your birth religion or another?

Thanks

 
I think that its pretty natural to waffle between your birth religion and moving on. A person raised from childhood on in a certain religion has had those teachings ingrained in them during their most formative years and its almost like its a part of their dna, certainly is a part of their psyche. If raised in a JCI type religion there is a lot of fear and guilt based teachings, the need for "salvation" etc that make it that much harder to walk away from.

My personal experience? It was quite a hard thing for me. I think I still "speak" in Christian terminology better than I do in pagan. That conditioning is hard to break. The deciding factor for me was simply experiences. I have experienced divinity as a pagan in ways I never did as a Christian. Also the fact that being a pagan helped me overcome my hatred of Christians was a very telling thing for me.
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Re: Did Anyone Else Have One Foot Stuck In Their Birth Religion?....
« Reply #28 on: February 23, 2013, 10:09:25 pm »
I appreciate the responses so far.

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I think that its pretty natural to waffle between your birth religion and moving on. A person raised from childhood on in a certain religion has had those teachings ingrained in them during their most formative years and its almost like its a part of their dna, certainly is a part of their psyche. If raised in a JCI type religion there is a lot of fear and guilt based teachings, the need for "salvation" etc that make it that much harder to walk away from.

My personal experience? It was quite a hard thing for me. I think I still "speak" in Christian terminology better than I do in pagan. That conditioning is hard to break. The deciding factor for me was simply experiences. I have experienced divinity as a pagan in ways I never did as a Christian. Also the fact that being a pagan helped me overcome my hatred of Christians was a very telling thing for me.

The funny thing is, I am not fearful of not being "saved". I have not believed in Hell for a long time, even as a practicing Christian.

I love the sense of community, the central authority (Pope), the Saints, Mary, the music and ritual, the traditions. I feel like I can not have that stuff alone. I wanted to attend a UU Church, but I cannot get to the nearest one by me because I have no car and the buses don't run near it.

I have considered just attending Mass and taking what I like and leaving the rest, but that feels... empty, in some way.

I am a black or white person. I am learning to get used to the grey areas, and even enjoy them, but I feel like I would be disrespecting the Christians at Mass because I most certainly do not believe what they do. I think if I had been a cradle Catholic, it would be different. Since I was not brought up Catholic, but Protestant, being Confirmed Catholic when I already don't believe a lot of their stances would be odd, KWIM?

ETA: I am not even sure of my beliefs on the Divine. At this time, I do believe there is something greater than I, but I do not know in what context. My ideas have changed so much in so little time. I want to be content with just exploring and figuring out my beliefs, but letting go of that community, of the beautiful ritual is really tough.
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Re: Did Anyone Else Have One Foot Stuck In Their Birth Religion?....
« Reply #29 on: February 24, 2013, 02:26:56 am »
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I am a black or white person. I am learning to get used to the grey areas, and even enjoy them, but I feel like I would be disrespecting the Christians at Mass because I most certainly do not believe what they do. I think if I had been a cradle Catholic, it would be different. Since I was not brought up Catholic, but Protestant, being Confirmed Catholic when I already don't believe a lot of their stances would be odd, KWIM?

 
I honestly don't think you should take the sacrament of confirmation if you don't believe in what you're confirming and you're not sure you're comfortable with it. I was essentially pushed through confirmation as a teenager and I didn't like it. There's no rush; the liturgy'll come around again next year if you decide you want to go through with it.
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