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Re: "No Other Gods Before Me"
« Reply #15 on: Today at 01:08:17 pm »
My understanding is that other cultures at the time were not thought to be bound to worship only Yahweh.

I'll have to get back to you, but Deuteronomy somewhere implies that the hosts of heaven or deities are delegated to other nations.

Regarding other gods as non-celestial, non-fallen angels, I have a theologian friend who considers this a possibility and acceptable theological opinion.

I have a Jewish study bible with lots of information on this stuff.  I'll again have to get back to you on the exact name.

As far as Christians who are more conventional and monotheistic-- if trinitarianism is purely monotheistic-- they tend to say that revelation at the time was progressive, so it took time for the truth of monotheism to be revealed.

That's what I've gathered by discussion with others on the matter.  But this is not a universal opinion among those identifying as Christian, as with just about any theological opinion.

The host of heaven delegated to other nations sounds almost exactly like what I was suggesting, that deities of other nations and other cultures might be spirits/angels/deities of the biblical God. It is speculation on my part, but really what I am trying to do is reconcile Judeo-Christianity with Paganism. I will defer to your knowledge of Christianity. I would look forward to any more comments from you on this topic. Thanks!

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Re: "No Other Gods Before Me"
« Reply #16 on: Today at 01:58:08 pm »
It is an interesting position. I still wonder if you might address why God created multiple other gods and what their purpose is in Creation from a Christian point of view.

Every knee will bow I am sure would apply to these deities. Anyway, I would like to know what a Christian thinks about say Athena. "Thou Shall Not Have Any Other Gods Before Me" implies that there are other gods (as I have said in the OP). Athena is one of them.

I just wonder how monotheist people feel about other deities. I use Athena as an example because she seems like a very good, powerful, wise and capable Deity. You would think that Yahweh would want her on His side. This versus other gods who might not be so compatible with Yahweh.

I thought it was interesting that you point out the different personalities of your Godhead- Jehovah, Jesus, the Holy Spirit. It sort of nods to polytheism, but maybe escapes that by pointing out that these are different aspects of One God. So what are other Gods? Athena, Thor, the Morrigan, etc. Surely they are not aspects of the Old Testament God. Can you reconcile these Pagan Deities with the Biblical God at all?

Although Eric's answer might be in his original comment- "God" is a summation of various personalities across time and space (apparently some science fiction mixed in with that cosmology, which I like).

So perhaps other deities (Athena  Thor, the Morrigan) are absorbed into these summations that is "God". Interesting, but I am not certain all Christians would subscribe to this.

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Re: "No Other Gods Before Me"
« Reply #17 on: Today at 02:08:46 pm »
The host of heaven delegated to other nations sounds almost exactly like what I was suggesting, that deities of other nations and other cultures might be spirits/angels/deities of the biblical God. It is speculation on my part, but really what I am trying to do is reconcile Judeo-Christianity with Paganism. I will defer to your knowledge of Christianity. I would look forward to any more comments from you on this topic. Thanks!

The passage begins with Deuteronomy 4:19 which can be interpreted as acknowledging other gods depending on translation, though in some translations that idea seems more obscure.  The study bible I mentioned has some interesting comments on this and other passages.

The translation I am referring to is The Jewish Study Bible, editors: Adele Berlin and Marc Zvi Brettler.  I've really enjoyed it, and there are essays on Jewish mysticism and other topics.
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Re: "No Other Gods Before Me"
« Reply #18 on: Today at 02:19:29 pm »
It is speculation on my part, but really what I am trying to do is reconcile Judeo-Christianity with Paganism.

It just depends on which elements from paganism you want to reconcile with which elements of Judaism or Christianity.  I am not an expert on Christianity, though I do have some knowledge.  But this thread has some good comments.

I am no longer identifying as Christian even in an extremely liberal or esoteric sense, though there are still Christian elements in my path, and I will talk more about that in PM if you wish and perhaps future threads if relevant.
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