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christianity real?
« on: October 20, 2018, 12:42:37 pm »
I wrote a post that christianity copies paganism but I got negative feedback. Is christianity the real deal? Can christianity stand on its own feet without the need of paganism? If christianity is real, then why isn't everyone a christian?

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Re: christianity real?
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2018, 12:52:24 pm »
I wrote a post that christianity copies paganism but I got negative feedback. Is christianity the real deal? Can christianity stand on its own feet without the need of paganism? If christianity is real, then why isn't everyone a christian?
I think the problem is that your particular claims about Christianity were inaccurate. You can criticize a lot about the religion, but if your criticisms aren't true what's the point?

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Re: christianity real?
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2018, 12:59:24 pm »
I think the problem is that your particular claims about Christianity were inaccurate. You can criticize a lot about the religion, but if your criticisms aren't true what's the point?

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Re: christianity real?
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2018, 02:59:59 pm »
I wrote a post that christianity copies paganism but I got negative feedback. Is christianity the real deal? Can christianity stand on its own feet without the need of paganism? If christianity is real, then why isn't everyone a christian?

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Re: christianity real?
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2018, 03:50:34 pm »
I wrote a post that christianity copies paganism but I got negative feedback.

I wouldn't say that, Arete. Rather, you got critical feedback that explained that the situation was more complex. Christianity did borrow ideas from other religions, and it also had many of it's own ideas that stand on their own.
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Re: christianity real?
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2018, 03:54:47 pm »
If christianity is real, then why isn't everyone a christian?

Just because it's not stolen doesn't mean it's automatically the "true" religion. Paganism isn't stolen either, nor is Judaism, or Zoroastrianism,  Manicheanism, Hinduism,  Buddhism, Jainism, Sikhism, Islam, Voudou, Shinto, Daoism, Bahaism, Rastafarianism, or most other religions.

They are all unique, distinct, novel religions that bring novel ideas, and borrow older ideas, to create an understanding of the world that suits the needs of their practitioners.

The reason that we aren't all Christian is the same reason we aren't all Buddhist or Muslim. Because different people want different things from their religions, and different religions offer them those different things.
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Re: christianity real?
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2018, 04:39:09 pm »
Maybe I was wrong all along.  ???

I recommend you take a break and go through the 'related topics' at the bottom of your other thread. We've had this kind of discussion several times.
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Re: christianity real?
« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2018, 05:12:12 pm »
I wrote a post that christianity copies paganism but I got negative feedback. Is christianity the real deal? Can christianity stand on its own feet without the need of paganism? If christianity is real, then why isn't everyone a christian?

I. You got negative feedback because you were wrong.
II. Ehhh I don't tend to think so.
III. It's been doing a really, really good job of it for the last millennium or so.
IV. A quarter of the entire human race is Christian.

Also I hate to be a stickler EDF but 'Bahaism' is roughly akin to 'Mohammedanism'. It's just Bahá'í, or sometimes the Bahá'í Faith.
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Re: christianity real?
« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2018, 05:32:38 pm »
Also I hate to be a stickler EDF but 'Bahaism' is roughly akin to 'Mohammedanism'. It's just Bahá'í, or sometimes the Bahá'í Faith.

Good to know. I initially wrote Bahá'íism, but that looked wrong, so I put it as Bahaism. I guess not everything needs an -ism suffix tagged onto the end. I certainly didn't intend any slight or offense against the Bahá'í faith!
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Re: christianity real?
« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2018, 05:34:16 pm »
I wrote a post that christianity copies paganism but I got negative feedback. Is christianity the real deal? Can christianity stand on its own feet without the need of paganism? If christianity is real, then why isn't everyone a christian?

What do you mean by real? It is entirely possible for Christianity to have complex theology without its central premise necessarily being 100% true. I don't believe in Christianity. It is even possible to believe in 'God' but reject Christianity (the religious structure).

As to why people are not Christian, ask them. Everyone will likely have a unique and interesting answer.

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Re: christianity real?
« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2018, 05:38:41 pm »
I wrote a post that christianity copies paganism but I got negative feedback. Is christianity the real deal? Can christianity stand on its own feet without the need of paganism? If christianity is real, then why isn't everyone a christian?

I wouldn't have called it negative feedback, myself, not as such - I've been finding it an interesting discussion which I've been enjoying following.  I feel I've learned some stuff (well, I would've learned some stuff if I didn't have problems with retaining knowledge, but I've been following the thread with interest nonetheless.)

I personally think it's not a black-or-white, right-or-wrong kind of an issue as to whether Christianity's more valid than anyone's Paganism (or vise versa).  If Christianity doesn't work for you and Paganism does, then stick with Paganism.

And as you mentioned yourself (can't recall whether it was that same thread, or one of your other recent ones) the variety is one of the really great things about paganism.

(I was concerned that one or two of your comments about Christianity might cause you to run a bit afoul of TCs religious tolerance guidelines, but I'm not a mod, so this is as close as I'm coming to touching on that...)

So anyway, I hope you won't feel discouraged.
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Re: christianity real?
« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2018, 11:52:41 pm »
Is christianity the real deal? Can christianity stand on its own feet without the need of paganism?

Well, it's done pretty well being its own thing so far. Why do you think it has a 'need of paganism'?
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Re: christianity real?
« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2018, 04:43:14 pm »
I wrote a post that christianity copies paganism but I got negative feedback. Is christianity the real deal?

I mean, it obviously exists. I'm not sure why that's an interesting factoid, though.

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Given that it obviously does, it is pretty apparent that it can.

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Re: christianity real?
« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2018, 04:59:20 pm »
If cows are real, why isn't everyone pulling an oxcart?

And why the hell are there still monkeys?
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Re: christianity real?
« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2018, 10:18:59 am »
If christianity is real, then why isn't everyone a christian?

There is no one right way. There is an Indian (south Asian, Awadhi language) saying that goes
jāki rahi bhāvanā jaisi
prabhu mūrat dekhi tin taisi

Loosely meaning everyone sees God in his own way, God shows himself (or herself) in a way meaningful to the devotee.

The Rig Veda says
ekam sat viprāha bahudhā vadanti

"The Truth is One; the wise know it by many names."


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