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Author Topic: Bakery Refuses Same Sex Wedding Cake Order, Sees  (Read 9770 times)

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Re: Bakery Refuses Same Sex Wedding Cake Order, Sees
« Reply #90 on: February 08, 2013, 10:59:19 pm »
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The mission is whatever the Scouts decide their mission is within the limits of their charter. Religion has nothing to do with their stance.

Congress could remove Congressional charters. Say good bye to the Federal Reserve bank system, the TVA, Fannie Mae and a bunch of other semi-independent agencies. From a conservative stand point losing the Boy Scouts would be worth getting rid of most the FDR and later govt created entities. Or are you suggesting that the Congress pass a bill of attainder?

Neither does sexual orientation have anything to do with their mission. Well, actually, then, you are arguing that the boy scouts and the girl scouts, as well apparently the KKK are quasi-independent government agencies.  In which case, the boy scouts are indeed a public institution, and should take all boys, (They've handled the woman question already, although I'm sure some girls who get the highest Venture award would appreciate the extra rank, I'm not sure if the military extends it to them, or just eagles and golds and CAP whatever).  The KKK needs to reevaluate their mission in light of the more recent civil rights laws though.  I'm sure a charter can be revoked.
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Re: Bakery Refuses Same Sex Wedding Cake Order, Sees
« Reply #91 on: February 09, 2013, 01:05:54 am »
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Neither does sexual orientation have anything to do with their mission. Well, actually, then, you are arguing that the boy scouts and the girl scouts, as well apparently the KKK are quasi-independent government agencies.  In which case, the boy scouts are indeed a public institution, and should take all boys, (They've handled the woman question already, although I'm sure some girls who get the highest Venture award would appreciate the extra rank, I'm not sure if the military extends it to them, or just eagles and golds and CAP whatever).  The KKK needs to reevaluate their mission in light of the more recent civil rights laws though.  I'm sure a charter can be revoked.

 
So you'd outlaw the Democrat party until they re-evaluate their mission in light of the civil rights laws?  Seems that you have a very narrow view of freedom - only freedom to have an organization that meets your narrow criteria.

And again you are asking for a bill of attainder, along with stepping on the 1st amendment in regards to freedom of association, freedom of speech, etc. There was a reason that the power to grant incorporation was turned over to bureaucracy rather than leave it to folks like you to decide who gets legal protections and who doesn't based upon shifting political winds.

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Re: Bakery Refuses Same Sex Wedding Cake Order, Sees
« Reply #92 on: February 09, 2013, 09:11:22 am »
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So you'd outlaw the Democrat party until they re-evaluate their mission in light of the civil rights laws?  Seems that you have a very narrow view of freedom - only freedom to have an organization that meets your narrow criteria.

And again you are asking for a bill of attainder, along with stepping on the 1st amendment in regards to freedom of association, freedom of speech, etc. There was a reason that the power to grant incorporation was turned over to bureaucracy rather than leave it to folks like you to decide who gets legal protections and who doesn't based upon shifting political winds.

 

You are the one pointed out that they are 'quasi independent government agencies', not 'private institutions'.  Quasi independent gov agencies are supposed to follow the rules for hiring, etc, and I suspect that the KKK doesn't do that that.  i understand that there is no LBGT law, but the BSA can't use 'private' in their defense if they are a 'quasi-independent gov agency'
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Re: Bakery Refuses Same Sex Wedding Cake Order, Sees
« Reply #93 on: February 09, 2013, 03:45:10 pm »
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You are the one pointed out that they are 'quasi independent government agencies', not 'private institutions'.  Quasi independent gov agencies are supposed to follow the rules for hiring, etc, and I suspect that the KKK doesn't do that that.  i understand that there is no LBGT law, but the BSA can't use 'private' in their defense if they are a 'quasi-independent gov agency'

 
You mis-read what I wrote.  A lot of the Congressional charters are for quasi Federal govt agencies, not all are though, just like state govt charters cover private organizations but also cover quasi State level agencies.

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Re: Bakery Refuses Same Sex Wedding Cake Order, Sees
« Reply #94 on: May 26, 2013, 01:21:45 pm »
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Yes, I totally remember that part in the Bible where it says "Thou Shalt Not Bake Pastries For The Gays." Also, it's against state law to discriminate, so it doesn't matter what Jesus has against pastries.

 
I spit my water out laughing. I've never actually read the bible, however I'm pretty sure it doesn't say that someone can't bake a cake because they were taught that being gay is wrong.

Treatment like this is just revolting, if only people could learn not to judge others, the world might just be a happier place. Of course judging can be reserved for use on murders and other people who deserve it.
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Re: Bakery Refuses Same Sex Wedding Cake Order, Sees
« Reply #95 on: September 28, 2013, 08:34:08 am »
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Same-sex couple files complaint against Gresham bakery that refused to make wedding cake



Yes, I totally remember that part in the Bible where it says "Thou Shalt Not Bake Pastries For The Gays." Also, it's against state law to discriminate, so it doesn't matter what Jesus has against pastries.

Wasn't this a think, like, five years ago? Do they think they're Chik-Fil-A? This bullshit disgusts me.

(Now if he said he refused to bake fig pie because God Hates Figs, I'd have to at least bow to his theology...)

 
Looks like the tactics of the Left have come to the Right.

KKK Wins Lawsuit Against Bakery For Discrimination, Refusal Of Service
http://libertycrier.com/kkk-wins-lawsuit-bakery-discrimination-refusal-service

http://tribuneherald.net/2013/08/23/kkk-wins-lawsuit-against-bakery-for-discrimination/ (I couldn't get this one to load from the Philippines, but Google turned up the first one)

How many public accommodation places can be put out of business?  Damned for not selling, damned by the other side for selling.

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Re: Bakery Refuses Same Sex Wedding Cake Order, Sees
« Reply #96 on: September 28, 2013, 08:39:28 am »
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Looks like the tactics of the Left have come to the Right.

KKK Wins Lawsuit Against Bakery For Discrimination, Refusal Of Service
http://libertycrier.com/kkk-wins-lawsuit-bakery-discrimination-refusal-service


 
Instapundit, my original linkage, readers are reporting the site is satire. Just have to wait until life imitates art.

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« Reply #97 on: September 28, 2013, 08:55:16 am »
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Disgusting, but not overly surprising.  The further from I-5, the (generally) shittier folk get.

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Re: Bakery Refuses Same Sex Wedding Cake Order, Sees
« Reply #98 on: September 28, 2013, 10:24:47 am »
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Instapundit, my original linkage, readers are reporting the site is satire. Just have to wait until life imitates art.

Judging by some of the other articles, the tribuneherald site is also satire.
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« Reply #99 on: September 28, 2013, 05:23:21 pm »
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Judging by some of the other articles, the tribuneherald site is also satire.

 
Tribune Herald is the site I was referring to.

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Re: Bakery Refuses Same Sex Wedding Cake Order, Sees
« Reply #100 on: January 22, 2015, 04:15:21 pm »
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Instapundit, my original linkage, readers are reporting the site is satire. Just have to wait until life imitates art.

 
And life has imitated art.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/01/22/baker-refused-to-make-bible-shaped-cakes-with-god-hates-gays-message-and-now-the-govt-is-investigating-her-for-religious-discrimination/

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A Colorado bakery is being accused of discrimination and investigated after refusing to make Bible-shaped cakes that included anti-gay wording — a somewhat  different scenario from what is typically seen when Christian bakers refuse to make cakes for same-sex weddings, but one that will certainly invoke debate over the free speech rights of business owners.

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Re: Bakery Refuses Same Sex Wedding Cake Order, Sees
« Reply #101 on: January 22, 2015, 05:19:07 pm »
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And life has imitated art.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/01/22/baker-refused-to-make-bible-shaped-cakes-with-god-hates-gays-message-and-now-the-govt-is-investigating-her-for-religious-discrimination/


Well, according to the baker herself, the man actually was not refused service. He was simply told that the baker wasn't comfortable piping the slurs (and he wanted slurs, not a generic "bible cake") on herself. They told him they would make his cake sans offensive homophobic language, and give him the special tools and icing to finish it himself.

I frankly don't see a parallel between this and the bakers being sued for refusing service to a same-sex couple. This woman isn't really in trouble, and she has done NOTHING WRONG. The angry customer filed the forms himself, and it is a routine investigation. She is likely going to be cleared. No one would blame a bakery for refusing to make a cake that said "God hates f*gs" anymore than refusing to bake a cake that was scrawled with the n-word.
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Re: Bakery Refuses Same Sex Wedding Cake Order, Sees
« Reply #102 on: January 22, 2015, 06:35:14 pm »
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Well, according to the baker herself, the man actually was not refused service. He was simply told that the baker wasn't comfortable piping the slurs (and he wanted slurs, not a generic "bible cake") on herself. They told him they would make his cake sans offensive homophobic language, and give him the special tools and icing to finish it himself.

I frankly don't see a parallel between this and the bakers being sued for refusing service to a same-sex couple. This woman isn't really in trouble, and she has done NOTHING WRONG. The angry customer filed the forms himself, and it is a routine investigation. She is likely going to be cleared. No one would blame a bakery for refusing to make a cake that said "God hates f*gs" anymore than refusing to bake a cake that was scrawled with the n-word.

 
So you can have your SSM wedding cake so long as you are willing to put the words on yourself?  

Of course the customer filed the forms.  Who else is going to?

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Re: Bakery Refuses Same Sex Wedding Cake Order, Sees
« Reply #103 on: January 22, 2015, 07:29:07 pm »
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So you can have your SSM wedding cake so long as you are willing to put the words on yourself?

There is actually a pretty big difference between being unwilling to produce a specific product for a customer and refusing service altogether.

In other words, how is refusing to serve a customer based on his/her sexual orientation the same as not wanting to write "god hates f*gs" on a cake you actually were willing to bake for a customer.
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Re: Bakery Refuses Same Sex Wedding Cake Order, Sees
« Reply #104 on: January 22, 2015, 08:11:57 pm »
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There is actually a pretty big difference between being unwilling to produce a specific product for a customer and refusing service altogether.

In other words, how is refusing to serve a customer based on his/her sexual orientation the same as not wanting to write "god hates f*gs" on a cake you actually were willing to bake for a customer.

 
Sure, then bakeries that don't want to make SSM cakes will do exactly what this woman did - here is your standard cake from the shelf and we'll sell you the icing and tools so you can write "Congrats Adam and Steve on your marriage"

Basing things on the content of the speech is unconstitional. This guy will probably lose, but somebody else will come up with something like "it's a sin for a man lie with a man like a woman" or whatever the verse's exact wording is.

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