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Bakery Refuses Same Sex Wedding Cake Order, Sees
« on: February 02, 2013, 01:24:49 am »
Same-sex couple files complaint against Gresham bakery that refused to make wedding cake

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The state attorney general’s office is investigating a complaint against a Gresham bakery after a Portland woman said the business refused to make a cake for her wedding to another woman.

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“I believe marriage is a religious institution between a man and woman as stated in the Bible,” Klein said. “When someone tells me that their definition is something different, I strongly disagree. I don’t think I should be penalized for that.”


Yes, I totally remember that part in the Bible where it says "Thou Shalt Not Bake Pastries For The Gays." Also, it's against state law to discriminate, so it doesn't matter what Jesus has against pastries.

Wasn't this a think, like, five years ago? Do they think they're Chik-Fil-A? This bullshit disgusts me.

(Now if he said he refused to bake fig pie because God Hates Figs, I'd have to at least bow to his theology...)
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Re: Bakery Refuses Same Sex Wedding Cake Order, Sees
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2013, 01:55:06 am »
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Wasn't this a think, like, five years ago? Do they think they're Chik-Fil-A? This bullshit disgusts me.

 
Disgusting, but not overly surprising.  The further from I-5, the (generally) shittier folk get.

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Re: Bakery Refuses Same Sex Wedding Cake Order, Sees
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2013, 02:58:07 am »
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Same-sex couple files complaint against Gresham bakery that refused to make wedding cake



Yes, I totally remember that part in the Bible where it says "Thou Shalt Not Bake Pastries For The Gays." Also, it's against state law to discriminate, so it doesn't matter what Jesus has against pastries.

Wasn't this a think, like, five years ago? Do they think they're Chik-Fil-A? This bullshit disgusts me.

(Now if he said he refused to bake fig pie because God Hates Figs, I'd have to at least bow to his theology...)

 I guess their against making money too. I'm tired of people doing this.
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Re: Bakery Refuses Same Sex Wedding Cake Order, Sees
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2013, 03:17:11 am »
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Same-sex couple files complaint against Gresham bakery that refused to make wedding cake



Yes, I totally remember that part in the Bible where it says "Thou Shalt Not Bake Pastries For The Gays." Also, it's against state law to discriminate, so it doesn't matter what Jesus has against pastries.

Wasn't this a think, like, five years ago? Do they think they're Chik-Fil-A? This bullshit disgusts me.

(Now if he said he refused to bake fig pie because God Hates Figs, I'd have to at least bow to his theology...)

 
Maybe you are thinking of Elaine Photography?  Or where the gay photographer must take pictures at a Church of the Creator wedding?

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Re: Bakery Refuses Same Sex Wedding Cake Order, Sees
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2013, 03:45:21 am »
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Disgusting, but not overly surprising.  The further from I-5, the (generally) shittier folk get.

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Re: Bakery Refuses Same Sex Wedding Cake Order, Sees
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2013, 11:23:56 am »
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Maybe you are thinking of Elaine Photography?  Or where the gay photographer must take pictures at a Church of the Creator wedding?

 
Do you have a link for the gay photographer one.
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Re: Bakery Refuses Same Sex Wedding Cake Order, Sees
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2013, 11:57:27 am »
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Same-sex couple files complaint against Gresham bakery that refused to make wedding cake



Yes, I totally remember that part in the Bible where it says "Thou Shalt Not Bake Pastries For The Gays." Also, it's against state law to discriminate, so it doesn't matter what Jesus has against pastries.

Wasn't this a think, like, five years ago? Do they think they're Chik-Fil-A? This bullshit disgusts me.

(Now if he said he refused to bake fig pie because God Hates Figs, I'd have to at least bow to his theology...)

 
I don't know why, but every time I read something like this I am still shocked.
Look at the world around us. So many horrors and disgusting acts of hate and cruelty, people starving while we throw away billions of tons of food - the list goes on and on. Still there are people getting their knickers in a twist over which gender someone is attracted to? Really? Why does it matter? It just blows my mind
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Re: Bakery Refuses Same Sex Wedding Cake Order, Sees
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2013, 01:06:54 pm »
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Do you have a link for the gay photographer one.


cause I think the Elaine Photography was a person who refused a gay wedding as well.
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Re: Bakery Refuses Same Sex Wedding Cake Order, Sees
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2013, 03:09:00 pm »
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Same-sex couple files complaint against Gresham bakery that refused to make wedding cake



Yes, I totally remember that part in the Bible where it says "Thou Shalt Not Bake Pastries For The Gays." Also, it's against state law to discriminate, so it doesn't matter what Jesus has against pastries.

Wasn't this a think, like, five years ago? Do they think they're Chik-Fil-A? This bullshit disgusts me.

(Now if he said he refused to bake fig pie because God Hates Figs, I'd have to at least bow to his theology...)

 
I think it's a consequence of Christian-dominated culture. I think that times are changing, but a lot of Christians still don't see any problem with enforcing their version of morality however they deem it necessary. I think the best solution is to try to point out to those Christians who still think it is right to legislate morality according to the Bible that it really isn't in keeping with the Constitution, but it's a difficult subject to discuss, and the wording becomes important. It seems to me that the simplest way is to ask how they would feel if there was a Muslim majority trying to pass legislation requiring all women to wear the burkha, but that isn't the sort of thing you can lead with. It's vexing, but I think there's hope.

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Re: Bakery Refuses Same Sex Wedding Cake Order, Sees
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2013, 04:24:02 pm »
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cause I think the Elaine Photography was a person who refused a gay wedding as well.

 
Yes, Elaine Photography is the case where a photographer for hire can be compelled to photography private events that they find religiously objectionable.

The gay photographer for Church of the Creator case doesn't exist yet.  I'm waiting for one of the real hate groups to get smart enough to hire a gay or Black photographer for an event. When the photographer refuses, to sue the heck out of their business until there are no gay or Black photography businesses left in their state.

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Yes, Elaine Photography is the case where a photographer for hire can be compelled to photography private events that they find religiously objectionable.

The gay photographer for Church of the Creator case doesn't exist yet.  I'm waiting for one of the real hate groups to get smart enough to hire a gay or Black photographer for an event. When the photographer refuses, to sue the heck out of their business until there are no gay or Black photography businesses left in their state.

 
If the gay or black business is smart, they'll take the job and mess it up and refund the money with apologies (or have an emergency etc, so they have to bow out  at the last minute and refund with apologies).
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Re: Bakery Refuses Same Sex Wedding Cake Order, Sees
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If the gay or black business is smart, they'll take the job and mess it up and refund the money with apologies (or have an emergency etc, so they have to bow out  at the last minute and refund with apologies).

 
Good point. Have the gay couple spend $20,000 on a wedding or commitment ceremony and then get back the money for photos (and they don't get the photos either). Oh, and if there is another photographer there, expect a lawsuit over that just like a lawsuit over the bad photos.

Meanwhile the photographer has skipped events that would actually pay the bills.

And the second time the photographer bows out on an event for a similar group welcome to discovery.  If you can't win on the merits, bankrupt them thru lawyer's fees. Oh, and destroying e-mails, papers etc is a criminal act so yet another Black person goes to jail.

This can be carried on until everybody but the lawyers lose.

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Re: Bakery Refuses Same Sex Wedding Cake Order, Sees
« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2013, 05:04:35 pm »
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Same-sex couple files complaint against Gresham bakery that refused to make wedding cake

 
I find myself conflicted. Yes, I'm sad and tired of the same-sex struggles and blatant racism but at the same time...shouldn't a business have the right to refuse a sale? If I was a baker and someone came in to order a cake, for let's say Adolf Hitler's birthday, should I have the right to refuse their order because I don't believe that Hitler should have birthday cake? It's their business and if the money's not enough to tempt them against their beliefs, why should they be forced to take it?

As I said, I find myself conflicted and uncertain of where it's okay to draw the line between upholding personal beliefs and extending tolerance.

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I find myself conflicted. Yes, I'm sad and tired of the same-sex struggles and blatant racism but at the same time...shouldn't a business have the right to refuse a sale? If I was a baker and someone came in to order a cake, for let's say Adolf Hitler's birthday, should I have the right to refuse their order because I don't believe that Hitler should have birthday cake? It's their business and if the money's not enough to tempt them against their beliefs, why should they be forced to take it?

As I said, I find myself conflicted and uncertain of where it's okay to draw the line between upholding personal beliefs and extending tolerance.

In this state, a business doesn't have to give a reason to refuse service to anyone. I've used that quite a bit as my backup on issues of "get outta my store, asshole." So as horrible as it is that it would be used to further someone's bigotry, it's not a right I can honestly see taking away, because it also gives people working with the public the right to stand up for themselves when being abused. Innocent people's rights should not be taken away because some people abuse it.
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Re: Bakery Refuses Same Sex Wedding Cake Order, Sees
« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2013, 06:34:47 pm »
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If the gay or black business is smart, they'll take the job and mess it up and refund the money with apologies (or have an emergency etc, so they have to bow out  at the last minute and refund with apologies).

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