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Author Topic: Lady of the Stars, Take Two  (Read 2877 times)

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Re: Lady of the Stars, Take Two
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2013, 04:10:15 pm »
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I have a general question to those trying to figure LofS out, with personal experiences: would you consider it proper, if an outsider like me pops in occasionally to leave a comment or two, if something I read in your discussions makes me head go "pling! this reminds me of...."?

 
Personally, I don't mind. The people who are in the "main" part of the effort might have something else to say, though.

Who knows? Maybe what makes you snap to attention will do the same for us. :)
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Re: Lady of the Stars, Take Two
« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2013, 04:24:45 pm »
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That's exactly the purpose of this thread.
Where would you find new lightbulbs, when nobody comes over an throws them around? ;)

 
Thanks. :)

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Re: Lady of the Stars, Take Two
« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2013, 04:35:28 pm »
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Personally, I don't mind. The people who are in the "main" part of the effort might have something else to say, though.

Who knows? Maybe what makes you snap to attention will do the same for us. :)


Well, we'll see! I honestly don't mind at all getting told that what I say is completely irrelevant. You can even tell me it's idiotic to think there would be any connection whatsoever! :)

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Re: Lady of the Stars, Take Two
« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2013, 04:45:34 pm »
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The people who are in the "main" part of the effort might have something else to say, though.

 
I think part of the problem is that there *is* a "main" part of the group. It's left some feeling unwelcome and sidelined. There are people on the board who were around in the first cycle of the LotS stuff, who felt marginalized because some of the louder people packed up their personal conception of the LotS and closed the discussion.

It's nice to have a singular, shared vision, but when that vision gets so focused that it closes out the great vastness it purported to encompass, well. It gets not so useful.
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Re: Lady of the Stars, Take Two
« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2013, 05:11:41 pm »
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I have a general question to those trying to figure LofS out, with personal experiences: would you consider it proper, if an outsider like me pops in occasionally to leave a comment or two, if something I read in your discussions makes me head go "pling! this reminds me of...."?

 
Please please please do! inspiration is inspiration, whether it's having a meditative experience or nagging questions or quiet lightbulbs or plain old curiosity. Personally also feel that the line between insider and outsider here is a bit blurry.
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Re: Lady of the Stars, Take Two
« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2013, 05:14:12 pm »
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- What does "Lady of the Stars" mean to you? (Is that even a title that makes sense for your experience?)

 
So this is my first time pondering about this and I will just write from intuition. This is how it presented itself to me: the Lady of the Stars is the primordial stargate. I get the name Khaos: the primordial void from which all life is born... I get the impression of this here beautiful serene primordial silence that surrounds and penetrates everything (or is that the force ?? :P).

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- Which deity/ies do you feel most connected to when you hear "Lady of the Stars"? For you is it one in particular, or many? Or is there a goddess "behind" the other goddesses who is just the Lady?


I feel most connected to... I wanted to write Hermes the shepherd of the roads but the primordial echo in me insist that I write Krios the Titan-god of mastery, leadership and the constellations. Though he is only the link between me and the Lady of the Stars. Though as I entered this thread it was Urania the muse of astronomy I had on my thoughts :D
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Re: Lady of the Stars, Take Two
« Reply #21 on: January 16, 2013, 05:22:32 pm »
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I think part of the problem is that there *is* a "main" part of the group. It's left some feeling unwelcome and sidelined. There are people on the board who were around in the first cycle of the LotS stuff, who felt marginalized because some of the louder people packed up their personal conception of the LotS and closed the discussion.

It's nice to have a singular, shared vision, but when that vision gets so focused that it closes out the great vastness it purported to encompass, well. It gets not so useful.

 
Juni, I really want for those things not to happen. (I do feel guilty as one of the louder members, at least in my mind, and the last thing I want to do is steamroll someone.) I'm on the phone right now and it'll take a good while to type out a proper response, so in the meantime would you mind specifically talking about what has concerned you about a main group eclipsing other voices, especially this time around?

Also want to affirm that I agree with your assessment of things.

Also also, I feel the need to apologize if it looks like I'm acting like I'm in charge. Not that you, Juni, implied that, but it occurs to me I feel like a self appointed facilitator right now an I don't want my enthusiasm to make others uncomfortable.
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Re: Lady of the Stars, Take Two
« Reply #22 on: January 16, 2013, 05:50:59 pm »
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I'll do my best to put my thoughts into words, but it may not be today. It's a little difficult for me, because coming into the discussion I already knew that I'm on the outside- my Star Cow and the LotS share more than a few stars, I think, but they're definitely not the same constellation. So I can comment here or there with a lightbulb, and the conversation may be applicable for me, but I'm also okay with sitting on the sideline and not being incorporated, because I'm already doing something different.

I will say: I think it's important to recognize that the LotS is vast, and just because one or more of us cannot recognize the face of a ...smaller deity in the constellation doesn't mean that they aren't there; likewise, that no smaller deity is a required ...gateway, for lack of a better word. The one constant has been that the LotS transcends these smaller, more focused conceptions of divinity, so getting hung up on who is and who isn't part of the whole is not useful.
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Re: Lady of the Stars, Take Two
« Reply #23 on: January 16, 2013, 06:00:31 pm »
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I will say: I think it's important to recognize that the LotS is vast, and just because one or more of us cannot recognize the face of a ...smaller deity in the constellation doesn't mean that they aren't there; likewise, that no smaller deity is a required ...gateway, for lack of a better word. The one constant has been that the LotS transcends these smaller, more focused conceptions of divinity, so getting hung up on who is and who isn't part of the whole is not useful.

 
Beautiful said. There is not just one star on the night sky there are many and they do not all reach us with the same magnitude of radiance.
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Re: Lady of the Stars, Take Two
« Reply #24 on: January 16, 2013, 06:20:01 pm »
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Symbols and colors would be the night sky, stars, suns (since the sun is a star), dawn, dusk and blue.  Lots of blue.


That reminds me of:

"Above, the gemmed azure is
The naked splendour of Nuit"
(Liber AL, 1:14)

"O azure-lidded woman, bend upon them!"
(AL, 1:19)

on to
"Now, therefore, I am known to ye by my name Nuit, and to him by a secret name which I will give him when at last he knoweth me. Since I am Infinite Space, and the Infinite Stars thereof, do ye also thus. Bind nothing! Let there be no difference made among you between any one thing & any other thing; for thereby there cometh hurt."
(AL, 1:22)
... to pick a few. :)

Quoting Thelemapedia: " Nuit is the infinitely vast circle whose circumference is unmeasurable and whose center is everywhere."

Got a stir to peek at Liber LXV (possible typos are mine):
"3. For the colours are many, but the light is one.
4. Therefore thou writest that which is of mother of emerald, and of lapis-lazuli, and of turquoise, and of alexandrite.
5. Another writeth the words of topaz, and of deep amethyst, and of gray sapphire, and of deep sapphire with a tinge as of blood.
6. Therefore do ye fret yourselves because of this.
7. Be not contended with the image.
8. I who am the Image of an Image say this.
9. Debate not of the Image, saying Beyond!Beyond! One mounteth unto the Crown by the moon and by the Sun, and by the arrow, and by the Foundation, and by the dark home of the stars from the black earth."

Of course, within Thelemic mythology, every man and every woman is a Star. Nuit is the Lady of the Stars, "who is also Matter in its deepest metaphysical sense, who is the infinite in whom all we live and move and have our being", to quote The Law of Liberty (Liber DCCCXXXVII)

Um, my fountain of Crowley quotes seem to be overflowing, better scamper off... :whis:

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Re: Lady of the Stars, Take Two
« Reply #25 on: January 17, 2013, 04:19:59 am »
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This raises the question of the extent to which theology should (or just does) evolve with the changing state of scientific knowledge. As far as I am aware, ancient people did not know that moonlight was only reflected sunlight, or that stars were distant suns.

So, is there a spiritually-relevant difference between a deity that emanates light and a deity that reflects it? I could see how there could be.

Finally, scientific advances have given us a picture of a much, much vaster universe than the universe known to the ancients. Our mental picture has been shifted to the extent that the idea of an "earth mother goddess" now feels local. An image of a goddess spanning all of our known reality is more likely to be associated with stars, galaxies, nebulae etc.

And maybe that's why we're meeting up with this goddess now. Not that she didn't exist or was never conceived of before- but that she is uniquely appropriate to this time and how we now see our place in the universe. If you look at it this way, it may be perfectly natural for a number of different goddesses to reveal their "Lady of the Stars" aspect in this era, because our picture of what a goddess is has to change to match a much bigger universe.

 
I was praying the Genealogy of Brighid earlier, from the Carmina Gadelica, as I do most mornings. When I got to "No fire, no sun, no moon shall burn me/No water, no flood, no sea shall drown me" I was reminded of this discussion about the moon (and about the fire-in-water concept that some people have mentioned in the LotS context). Some of the ancients would have seen the moon in the same class as the sun, as an autonomous shining, burning object - even though, half way across the world, some accomplished people in Greece would already have been understanding that it didn't give off its own light. I wonder how much of a difference it makes that we understand the moon very differently now. I think there are primal responses within us that aren't particularly affected by the truth of the matter - I don't look at the moon and say "Ah, how well the moon reflects the light of the sun tonight," I say "Oh wow." Science sometimes helps my sense of awe, sometimes hinders it. I don't know if that adds anything to the conversation but... there's my thought, anyway.
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Re: Lady of the Stars, Take Two
« Reply #26 on: January 17, 2013, 04:41:33 am »
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Thanks for sharing.
I always felt, that the Thelemic Nuit is pretty spot on with what I feel.
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That’s what people never really understood.….Things had to balance.
You couldn’t set out to be a good witch or a bad witch. It never worked out for long.
All you could try to be was a witch, as hard as you could.\'
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Re: Lady of the Stars, Take Two
« Reply #27 on: January 17, 2013, 06:28:50 am »
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Thanks for sharing.
I always felt, that the Thelemic Nuit is pretty spot on with what I feel.


You're welcome. :)

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Re: Lady of the Stars, Take Two
« Reply #28 on: January 17, 2013, 09:11:29 am »
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I was praying the Genealogy of Brighid earlier, from the Carmina Gadelica, as I do most mornings.


You too, huh? :) I've been doing that since about '97 or '98, but I've never come across anyone else who does.

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Re: Lady of the Stars, Take Two
« Reply #29 on: January 18, 2013, 01:37:50 pm »
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Hello, friends.

I feel like I should say something profound and wise right now, but all I've got is:
:D:  I feel this way every time this subject comes up.  I feel I never do it justice.  I just hope I can give my answer without sounding simplistic or just flat out stupid.  I don't want to repeat myself too much either.

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- What does "Lady of the Stars" mean to you? (Is that even a title that makes sense for your experience?)
- What feelings and impressions do you get of Her/Them? What symbols, colors, sounds, or other sensory imaginings come to mind?
It makes complete sense for me.  My experience with Our Lady of the Stars was very literal back in 2010.  Honestly, I'm not sure if it would have had as much impact if it wasn't because I don't always do well with symbolic imagery.  She was the stars, the galaxies, the Universe and much, much more.

She was beyond ancient.  Her body was, but at the same time encircled, the universe.  

Colors I associate with Her are the colors you may see in the astronomy photos - purples, reds, greens and fiery yellows.  

She is the ultimate form of creativity, for everything emanates from Her and to Her it must return.  

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- Which deity/ies do you feel most connected to when you hear "Lady of the Stars"? For you is it one in particular, or many? Or is there a goddess "behind" the other goddesses who is just the Lady?

For me, there is only one.  The Lady Is the Feri Star Goddess, although the readings I've done about the Thelemic version of Nuit resonates as well.    

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- Really, truly and honestly, what are your worries or concerns about this new bout of UPG and our discussing it? Particularly interested in what folks involved with the 2010 LotS phenomenon have to say.

I feel better about discussing my experiences in this thread since it is private.
« Last Edit: January 18, 2013, 01:38:51 pm by Azra »
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