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Re: 'How to be a fan of problematic things'
« Reply #30 on: April 06, 2012, 12:27:43 pm »
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And thanks for pointing out the pinkskin thing - I KNEW there was something about that that pissed me off, and I couldn't put a finger on it.  That was bugging me.

 
My very white eyes never even saw this, my very white skin felt no irritation.

Thanks for the much-needed headslap.

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Re: 'How to be a fan of problematic things'
« Reply #31 on: April 06, 2012, 12:34:17 pm »
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My very white eyes never even saw this, my very white skin felt no irritation.

Thanks for the much-needed headslap.


The worst part was when the Andorian would use "pink-skins" on the bridge, when helm officer Travis Mayweather (a black guy) and communications officer Hoshi Sato (an Asian woman) were in the same room. I was like, "Really?? UM, turn around and take a look--no really, TAKE A LOOK!!"
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Re: 'How to be a fan of problematic things'
« Reply #32 on: April 07, 2012, 04:54:03 am »
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Most notably, the events preceding a rape scene I wrote could be interpreted by some as "she asked for it."


I'd posit that it's impossible to write about rape without some asshat reading "victim asked for it" into it.  If that victim is a) a woman, and b) has been shown as having sexual agency and desire, the asked-for-it asshats might outnumber those who don't read that into it.

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And it doesn't help that in other parts of the story, the character who commits the rape is a central character likely to be empathized with.


Yeah, that increases the possibility still further.

Oh, and the fact that (unless my cognition shift was in complete error) you're not talking about Joe Schmoe and Jane Boggs, but personifications of the numinous, makes it that much trickier.  You can write Joe Schmoe as "mostly-decent guy who's crappy at respecting boundaries; people are complicated", but it's really tough to extend that to archetypal beings.

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Re: 'How to be a fan of problematic things'
« Reply #33 on: April 07, 2012, 05:00:11 am »
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The worst part was when the Andorian would use "pink-skins" on the bridge, when helm officer Travis Mayweather (a black guy) and communications officer Hoshi Sato (an Asian woman) were in the same room. I was like, "Really?? UM, turn around and take a look--no really, TAKE A LOOK!!"

 
:hdsk::hdsk::hdsk:

I'm not, as a rule, a gambler, but I'd take bets that the scriptwriter(s) involved in this were white liberals who pride themselves on being "not seeing color".

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Re: 'How to be a fan of problematic things'
« Reply #34 on: April 08, 2012, 06:07:31 pm »
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What really boggled me about Trek was that Vulcans had the EXACT SAME range of skin colors as humans.

Okay, they're all white - annoying, but not too surprising.  But the /token black Vulcan/ - I could NOT deal with that.  It's like .. really?

And thanks for pointing out the pinkskin thing - I KNEW there was something about that that pissed me off, and I couldn't put a finger on it.  That was bugging me.

 
I was kind of thrown for a loop when I watched the latest Star Trek movie, or watched other Star Trek shows and seeing how white the casts were for the aliens, when the only series I've really watched from beginning-to-almost-end was Voyager, so I guess I assumed Vulcans were naturally darker? Which obviously didn't last for long once I saw the other shows/movies...
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« Reply #35 on: September 12, 2012, 08:11:09 pm »
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Problematic all over the place Julie Taymor's take on
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Though it would have to be treated carefully and with a limited audience focus and parent permission, that movie would speak to many kids.


I LOVED this movie and I think I did see it in my late teens.

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I was angered by it I just left the room and told him he could watch the rest of the series by himself.

I think I tend to like questionable characters more than anything else. My love of Draco Malfoy would make Ms.Rowling pretty frustrated.
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Re: 'How to be a fan of problematic things'
« Reply #36 on: September 15, 2012, 08:44:17 pm »
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I kind of think of the article Lokabrenna linked as a companion piece to And we shall call this "Moff's Law".

 
Speaking of companion pieces, this one came into being a couple of months back, and I didn't think of posting a link in this thread until DionysianDame resurrected it.

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Re: 'How to be a fan of problematic things'
« Reply #37 on: September 15, 2012, 11:26:00 pm »
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Oh, BULLSHIT.  The point (at high school and uni-undergrad level) isn't to come up with something utterly new and brilliant, it's to learn how to do the process by which new perspectives can come into being.  If sciences were taught the way your teachers describe, they'd be all about history of science, and there'd be no labs.

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I was going to read the entire thread before deciding if I'd jump in, but this this this this.  
In retrospect it seems like lit classes taught me nothing other than how to regurgitate the instructor's favorite "interpretation."  If you offered up something different then you must not have been listening or taking good enough notes.  The process of analysis.
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Re: 'How to be a fan of problematic things'
« Reply #38 on: September 15, 2012, 11:28:53 pm »
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The worst part was when the Andorian would use "pink-skins" on the bridge, when helm officer Travis Mayweather (a black guy) and communications officer Hoshi Sato (an Asian woman) were in the same room. I was like, "Really?? UM, turn around and take a look--no really, TAKE A LOOK!!"


Maybe they were supposed to be racist... you know, "all hoomies look alike," or something.  
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Re: 'How to be a fan of problematic things'
« Reply #39 on: September 15, 2012, 11:48:18 pm »
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--the film version of Gone With the Wind: I got into a heated argument with someone who told me I was "ridiculous" for not accepting that it was a classic and loving it. I tried to watch it once; I lasted the first 5 minutes before I almost put my fist through my TV screen. No thanks.
Gaah.  Horrible.  For more reasons than one.  

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--Any movie about Africa or slavery...starring white people. See Amistad, Cry Freedom, etc., etc.,...

For me it's 'caricature acting'.  I see this in movies/shows trying to depict black or latino "tough guys."  Every attempt at being 'authentic' in portrayal results in epic fail... it's more of a cartoonish stereotype.  You can tell some white dude wrote the dialogue.
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Re: 'How to be a fan of problematic things'
« Reply #40 on: September 16, 2012, 12:53:12 am »
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--Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen. This movie, if I were to see it (I won't), would make me homicidal.
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If it helps, that movie was so terrible for so many reasons. I was watching it with a friend, and at one point we just looked at each other and said "WTF?" in unison. It just....why was it even made? You are NOT missing anything by not watching it, trust me.

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« Reply #41 on: September 16, 2012, 12:57:40 am »
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It just....why was it even made?

 
Because Michael Bay is evil?


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Re: 'How to be a fan of problematic things'
« Reply #42 on: September 16, 2012, 11:19:17 am »
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If it helps, that movie was so terrible for so many reasons. I was watching it with a friend, and at one point we just looked at each other and said "WTF?" in unison. It just....why was it even made? You are NOT missing anything by not watching it, trust me.

 
I'm a huge TF nut that saw the midnight show of that one; wound up having more fun waiting in line than watching the movie.

I find it most offensive that Bay thinks his audience is comprised of the dumbest people on the planet.

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