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Author Topic: TV/Film: So: Star Trek Discovery  (Read 1995 times)

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Re: So: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #15 on: October 12, 2017, 07:04:44 pm »
(Um.  Sorry to tangent, but I don't have anything to say about Discovery 'cos I'm not going to sign up for a subscription service for it.  I just wanna point at my fanfic. ;P )

I know where you write.  8) I'll be checking that out, even though I haven't seen any of the reboot movies.

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Re: So: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #16 on: October 12, 2017, 09:38:48 pm »
Exactly. I am not signing up for umpteen different subscriptions to watch a show or 2 on each.  So, i have not seen game of thrones either.


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Re: So: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #17 on: October 12, 2017, 09:55:35 pm »
I hear there's a new Star Trek show out!

I haven't been watching it myself as I have no TV, but I've heard a few people's thoughts on it and they are ... mixed.

Coworker: Thought it's too action-oriented and "more like Aliens than Star Trek"
Brother: Enjoyed it, does not consider quality important.
Internet reviewer (Cracked): too much action, major plot holes.

Anyone here watching? Thumbs up or down? Does the show live up to the Star Trek name?

Background: I'm a new Trekkie - unlike Altair, I wasn't around when the originals came out. In fact, I think my parents were just born when TOS came out. But I digress ;-) I was initiated into Star Trek with Voyager and Captain Janeway. Then went on to Deep Space Nine with Captain Sisko, and currently, I'm somewhere with Captain Picard on Next Generation. Yeah, I'm hopping all over the place.

With STD, I got really attracted to it because it was shiny, and new and glitzy... and it seemed amazing. (Aside: by the Gods - who the hell came up with that abbreviation!? How did the writers NOT notice that?!)

However, now that I'm going over it again, and again, and again... there are somethings that are not quite adding up or are really unnerving me. Obviously, they're still doing the series - so these will probably get answered, but I'm still considering how they'll get over these:
  • The changing of the Klingons' appearance: why was this necessary? How the hell are they going to explain that they changed into their other forms?
  • The Electric Parasite - 'nuff said.
  • Spore Drive: Obviously, this doesn't exist in later series - and TransWarp doesn't become an actual thing until the end of Voyager with the Borg. I'm going to guess Lorca kills the mega Tardigrade from overuse?
  • Speaking of Capt Lorca - there are several things in his ... office? ... that should NOT be there, like the ISS Enterprise dedication plaque, and the skeleton of the reptile aliens (I honestly can't remember their species name), and another thing I can't honestly remember but it was a WTF moment for me.
There are other things that are bothering me as well. It's not as dark as other films - I'm looking at the Marvel movies as a prime example, as well as anything Batman, Superman, and Power Ranger related - and there seems to be a touch too much action, and little research being done. However, I think that's the point of this series: to explore what happens to the Starfleet's Prime Directive and Mission during times of war.
The acting is fairly good - writing... questionable, especially for some characters (example: I really want to wring Saru's neck because his character aggravates the hell out of me).
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Re: So: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #18 on: October 12, 2017, 11:12:45 pm »
I know where you write.  8) I'll be checking that out, even though I haven't seen any of the reboot movies.

Hee hee hee.  My work here is done.

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Re: So: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #19 on: October 13, 2017, 01:46:00 am »
This. I have Netflix and Amazon Prime Video.  If it doesn't show up there, I don't need to see it. That's all the money I'm willing to spend on subscription video services -- especially when Lyric and I watch a total of 30-45 minutes of video most days. We watch video while we eat supper.

Yeah, we have subscription services, which is enough: Prime, Netflix (we steal it from Ogre's mum), and Crave (which comes with our cable); the only reason we even saw the first two STD eps was because it airs on Space in Canada.

At least, it will for the first season; I think after that they'll ask us to subscribe to something. So there's not much incentive for me to try and like it more, anyway.
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Re: So: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #20 on: October 13, 2017, 02:05:45 pm »
Background: I'm a new Trekkie - unlike Altair, I wasn't around when the originals came out. In fact, I think my parents were just born when TOS came out. But I digress ;-)

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Re: So: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #21 on: October 13, 2017, 07:55:50 pm »
However, I think that's the point of this series: to explore what happens to the Starfleet's Prime Directive and Mission during times of war.

I think this may be what's bothering some people -- the previous Star Trek series had their share of armed conflict, but they weren't thematically about Warry Warlike Warriors of War (except maybe the later seasons of DS9, haven't seen them). There were plenty of social, diplomatic and philosophical conflicts as well as physical ones. And non-violent resolutions, like the TOS Horta episode. That, and not the space travel, is what I think is distinctive about (classic) Star Trek.

Seriously, there is quite enough war in our media already.

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Re: So: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #22 on: October 13, 2017, 08:10:21 pm »
I think this may be what's bothering some people -- the previous Star Trek series had their share of armed conflict, but they weren't thematically about Warry Warlike Warriors of War (except maybe the later seasons of DS9, haven't seen them). There were plenty of social, diplomatic and philosophical conflicts as well as physical ones. And non-violent resolutions, like the TOS Horta episode. That, and not the space travel, is what I think is distinctive about (classic) Star Trek.

Seriously, there is quite enough war in our media already.

I agree with you that there is quite a bit of war in our media - however, I think that's the very reason why they're including it into this series: to have us truly examine war from multiple angles. It's upsetting to people, however, it's something that needs to be examined, and discussed. After all - if we ever want to get like Star Trek, we need to start somewhere with our discussions!
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Re: So: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #23 on: October 14, 2017, 08:18:00 am »
I think this may be what's bothering some people -- the previous Star Trek series had their share of armed conflict, but they weren't thematically about Warry Warlike Warriors of War (except maybe the later seasons of DS9, haven't seen them). .

The later seasons of DS9 were *entirely* about an ongoing war, so DISCOVERY's war is nothing new for Trek. More importantly, DISCOVERY hasn't shied away from the costs to Starfleet and the Federation of shifting to a war footing; at least one principal character doesn't hide his bitterness that his peaceful research has been coopted, like the research vessel Discovery itself, for the war effort. And it's being strongly suggested that Captain Lorca's win-at-all-costs approach is morally comprising (for example, the story arc for the giant tardigrade that Lorca is determined to exploit seems to be shaping up as classic Trek, along Horta lines).

And then there's TheGreenWizard's favorite character, Saru, who's from a congenitally threat-averse species. That should add some pacifist color to the proceedings.
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Re: So: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #24 on: October 14, 2017, 08:20:04 am »
The later seasons of DS9 were *entirely* about an ongoing war

Forgot to mention that friends who follow the fan press far more closely than I do (I follow it not at all) tell me that the show's creators say the war with the Klingons isn't intended to last past the first half season.
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Re: So: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #25 on: October 14, 2017, 01:37:30 pm »
Hi, it's an interesting discussion here, I'm a bit reluctant to say much about the first four episodes, because I want to watch more episodes to know where this is heading...

After I was so disappointed and annoyed with ENT, I learned not to get my expectations too high. (As a kid I started with TOS and TNG, then watched VOY as a teen and DS9 as a young adult.)

At first glance I find the characters interesting enough. The spores and mushroom stuff made me laugh. I'm not surprised they did come up with a new type of ship, they'll probably explain later why we didn't see a spore drive in TOS, TNG etc...

In the pilot I thought Sarek was Michael's teacher...when Michael mentioned her foster mother Amanda I immediately thought "wtf?!?" but then thought it would be interesting to see a younger Sarek and Amanda - and that being the mother to Spock can't be all Amanda was, we did see too little about her role in the other series and movies, so it might be interesting to see what she was doing on Vulcan.

Is anyone watching "After Trek" as well? At first I didn't want to watch it because I wanted to watch the new series a while before listening/reading critics about it, but then a friend recommended it and I must say it's quite funny and doesn't overanalyse everything. (Nothing against a thorough criticism of the series, it's just that I wanted to immerse myself first in the series before really considering the critic.)

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Re: So: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #26 on: January 25, 2018, 06:00:34 pm »
I hear there's a new Star Trek show out!

Anyone besides me still watching? Anybody want to weigh in on the big twist?
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Re: So: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #27 on: January 28, 2018, 01:58:39 am »
Anyone besides me still watching? Anybody want to weigh in on the big twist?
I like the twitch with Capt. Lorca (althought I'm generally not such a fan of mirror universe episodes.)

I got a bit tired of the stuff with Tyler, but let's see what comes next.

The story with the gay guys got really interesting, I'm wondering what happens next.

Otherwise I'm happy when the mirror universe arc is over. I was never a fan of that. The TOS episode that started all this was good, but in DS9 it began to annoy me. ;)

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Re: So: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #28 on: January 28, 2018, 09:13:08 pm »
The story with the gay guys got really interesting

A first for Trek on TV, which is really the canon of Trek. Though the first gay human character in non-canon Trek came from yours truly. (When I was writing the Star Trek: Starfleet Academy comic for Marvel, when they had the Trek license in the latter '90s. OK, preening over.)

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Otherwise I'm happy when the mirror universe arc is over.

As the Cylons used to say on the original Battlestar Galactica: "By your command." I really liked this latest episode; it was gripping!

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The TOS episode that started all this was good, but in DS9 it began to annoy me. ;)

Total agreement. TOS rocked it, but DS9 added nothing. And I resented the character Major Kyra became in the Mirrorverse--the Intendant--for the tired, offensive trope of lesbianism used as shorthand for decadent evil. This from a franchise that otherwise couldn't summon the courage to include LGBT characters. Pissed. Me. Off.
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Re: So: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #29 on: January 29, 2018, 02:00:27 am »
Though the first gay human character in non-canon Trek came from yours truly. (When I was writing the Star Trek: Starfleet Academy comic for Marvel, when they had the Trek license in the latter '90s. OK, preening over.)

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For which you have your very own article (well, stub) on Memory Beta. Very cool!

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