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Author Topic: Weird experience at Christian church and in need of guidance  (Read 3251 times)

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Weird experience at Christian church and in need of guidance
« on: August 27, 2011, 03:45:09 pm »
Okay, not really the question I'm going for, but length is required to understand the question.

I used to attend a non-denominational Christian church, also charismatic by the way (speaking in tongues, being filled by the holy spirit, etc.) Nothing overly eccentric, just strange. No yelling or stomping feet or anything, just very subtle I suppose.

Anyways, when the pastor prays over you with holy oil, he will speak in tongues and then tell you something. I attended with my mother a few weeks back just so I can see everyone again (I haven't been in years). So when I go up to be blessed and the pastor gets to me, he says "Someone who you think will be in your life forever won't. Someone else will come along. Don't rush into anything." The first two parts could mean any relationship, but the last part seems more romantic-oriented. He told me not to go home and try and think over who it could possibly be but just let it run its course. His statement really shook me to my core. I've been with my boyfriend for almost 4 years so of course it had me thinking, "it must be him he's speaking of". But, 4 years of being together is definitely not "rushing into anything".

I can't shake his statement. Every time I think on it, a feeling of dread and sadness washes over me.

Our relationship is great. No reason to complain at all. I feel guilty to even trip over the pastor's statement. I just dread that he was telling the truth.

I had someone recently leave my life. Slowly they are pulling themselves away from me. I wonder if that is who was being spoken of. But, rushing into something? It wasn't a romantic relationship.

I don't even really believe in this, so why does this shake me to my core every time I think on it? Ugh. :(

I regret going up to be blessed. I wish I had never heard this. Even if it isn't true and it was just some vague thing he thought of to say, it just bothers me. Some things he says are true, but until something happens, it is very vague. Like it could apply to many situations.

I just don't know. If I don't believe this, why does it bother me so much? How can I shake this? Can someone please rationalize this for me?!

ETA: Please, if you're going to be rude, don't even comment. I know this is silly, that is why I am even more ashamed of myself for believing this, but it bugs me to no end. I don't believe in the holy spirit filling people so I don't know why this is bugging me so much. It's just so strange he'd say something like that to me. Where in the world would be come up with that unless something was influencing him?!
« Last Edit: August 27, 2011, 03:46:52 pm by Elizabeth »
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Re: Weird experience at Christian church and in need of guidance
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2011, 04:02:35 pm »
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Sounds like standard fortune-teller schtick: here is a pronouncement so vague and portentous that it could mean almost anything!

Often but not always comes with a side order of "Come back and I can help!"  Sometimes they're just going for "S/He totally told me my future and it came true!" as a recruiting trick.
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Re: Weird experience at Christian church and in need of guidance
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2011, 04:20:30 pm »
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I've been telling myself this. I've known his since I was 5 and have seen him do this for many years.

Sometimes he says things strangely right, like he brought something up to my mother that had been bugging her, but I have a few theories about that.

He does this to everyone he blesses. Not just "recruitments". I remember this from when I was little. He did tell one woman "a big change will happen before the leaves change color" and I had to stifle a giggle because of course, it's not like nothing will happen in her life for three months :p

ETA: I feel so ashamed and vulnerable for letting this get to me so much. I'm sure you're right about the fortune-teller schtick. *Sigh*
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Re: Weird experience at Christian church and in need of guidance
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2011, 04:45:07 pm »
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It's just so strange he'd say something like that to me. Where in the world would be come up with that unless something was influencing him?!

 
Because keeping people off balance and questioning is one way of building a community centered on something else. (Him. What he believes is important. Whatever.)

The thing with anything vague like that is ... it's vague. The good part is you have stuff you can do. The advice I give when stuff like this comes up in Pagan settings is two-fold.

The first part is to evaluate it sensibly. In similar situations, has this person/method been accurate more often than pure guesswork would be? Do they share information or insight that absolutely could not have come from someone human (i.e. telling you something you've never told anyone, referring to something that they would have had absolutely no knowledge about.) Use a very sceptical lens when evaluating 'absolutely could not have known otherwise' - casual community conversation can give someone doing this kind of thing for the wrong reason a lot of tools. So can cold reading.

The second part is to double check it. In Pagan contexts, I tell people to go do some divination, go do some meditation, go do some ritual work around it, and see what that tells them. If multiple independent sources suggest a similar line of concern, then it's worth digging into more. If they don't, then tuck the information away, and consider it when making future plans, but don't fret about it.

In other words, treat it more like "Hey, it might be worth keeping an eye on the weather" than "Panic now!"
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Re: Weird experience at Christian church and in need of guidance
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2011, 06:15:46 pm »
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I just don't know. If I don't believe this, why does it bother me so much? How can I shake this? Can someone please rationalize this for me?!

It's very vague, almost as vague as the astrology column in the newspaper: it is something almost anyone could find meaning in. I think Jenett's advice is very good.
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Re: Weird experience at Christian church and in need of guidance
« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2011, 06:59:54 pm »
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So when I go up to be blessed and the pastor gets to me, he says "Someone who you think will be in your life forever won't. Someone else will come along. Don't rush into anything."

ETA: Please, if you're going to be rude, don't even comment. I know this is silly, that is why I am even more ashamed of myself for believing this, but it bugs me to no end. I don't believe in the holy spirit filling people so I don't know why this is bugging me so much. It's just so strange he'd say something like that to me. Where in the world would be come up with that unless something was influencing him?!

Not being rude, but what he said is something that a person could say to ANYONE.  Those kinds of phrases are often used by fake psychics when they do "cold readings."  I suspect the reason it if affecting you is it touches on something that has a lot of emotional charge for you.  I can understand how it will be unsettling, but I would not give it more attention that any other prediction.  From what you've said, he didn't really say anything SPECIFIC.

People come and go in and out of our lives.  I've had dear friends disappear out of my life for years and then pop back in.  Just leave yourself open to meeting new people and if there is one thing he said that is worthwhile, I'd say don't try to force any relationship/friendship to remain if it become obvious people are going their separate ways.  That, IMO, can cause more damage.  

I'd say, let it go.  If it's stressing you out this badly, I doubt it comes from a higher power, more like a person's (priest's) ego.  When I get messages that I believe are from a divine origin and they are not what I'd want to hear there still seems to be an oddly comforting feeling that comes along with it.

EDIT: in short I agree with the above posters.
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Re: Weird experience at Christian church and in need of guidance
« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2011, 07:06:13 pm »
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Also, I'd say you can take away from this experience not to go to that kind of service in the future.  Maybe they meant well at heart, but it sounds to me (since you are here on TC) that you are finding your own path.


Also just had another thought: you said you had not seen these people in awhile, and this priest said people are going to be not as present in your life, he COULD be referring to the very people of that church.  Without specifics, the statements he made to you really aren't of much merit IMO.

DO NOT let this experience damage a relationship that is currently good!  I think sometimes a person can hear bad news and then start looking for reasons to make a prediction true.  You yourself said you are THINKING this might be about a romantic relationship, when in fact it could very well be something else - like maybe a work or school relationship that is not romantic in nature.

IMO psychics that are genuinely gifted still can screw up the message they are supposed to transmit.  This guy might have a gift, but everyone can screw up telling a person something.  This happens all the time in just 'normal' conversations.
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Re: Weird experience at Christian church and in need of guidance
« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2011, 07:10:40 pm »
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Thanks for the thoughts, everyone!

Usually I'm very skeptic, this one just rocked me a bit.

I feel silly for even letting it bother me.

I definitely won't be going to another service. I am not Christian and haven't been for a few years, I just wanted to go to see old "friends". Mistake on my part ;)
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Re: Weird experience at Christian church and in need of guidance
« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2011, 07:15:56 pm »
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Thanks for the thoughts, everyone!

Usually I'm very skeptic, this one just rocked me a bit.

I feel silly for even letting it bother me.

I definitely won't be going to another service. I am not Christian and haven't been for a few years, I just wanted to go to see old "friends". Mistake on my part ;)

 
Don't feel silly.  It was an experience that hit on something potentially very close to you.   It's normal to be moved by such things.  Nothing wrong with wanting to see old friends. ;)
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Re: Weird experience at Christian church and in need of guidance
« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2011, 10:06:31 am »
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Thanks for the thoughts, everyone!

Usually I'm very skeptic, this one just rocked me a bit.

I feel silly for even letting it bother me.

I definitely won't be going to another service. I am not Christian and haven't been for a few years, I just wanted to go to see old "friends". Mistake on my part ;)

 
And the priest knew you hadn't been there, and might have thought that your boyfriend was the reason you'd "fallen away" ....

That's the problem with manipulative bullshit - it WORKS.  If it didn't work, it wouldn't be nearly so scary.  You say this guy does this sort of thing all the time.  That means he's probably VERY good at it - intonation, concern, etc.

Probably be weirder if you'd been able to roll it off easily, if he's that good at it.

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Re: Weird experience at Christian church and in need of guidance
« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2011, 01:03:28 pm »
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So when I go up to be blessed and the pastor gets to me, he says "Someone who you think will be in your life forever won't. Someone else will come along. Don't rush into anything." The first two parts could mean any relationship, but the last part seems more romantic-oriented. He told me not to go home and try and think over who it could possibly be but just let it run its course.


I have a couple of thoughts on this.

First, like everyone else has said, this is incredibly vague. So vague, that it will be true eventually. The thing is, it could be anyone. It could be any relationship at all. It could be your boss, or your neighbor or... anyone. By being all cryptic and telling you not to think about it or try to figure out who it is, he's giving himself more chances to be correct.

Also, your mom or another parishioner could have spoken to him about you and he's looking for a way to draw you to back to the church. Let's say your best friend moves away or something, then OMG he was right!

Honestly, I could say the exact same thing to a total stranger on the street and be right. Eventually.

I think maybe it's bothering you so much because this person that you've known and trusted your whole life has just set off your BS detector. That can be really confusing because you want him to be wrong, but at the same time, you don't want to have to be critical of someone you've trusted since you were five.

Without specifics that he couldn't have learned from someone else, I wouldn't put any more faith in his prediction than I would a fortune cookie.

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Re: Weird experience at Christian church and in need of guidance
« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2011, 02:15:16 pm »
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ETA: I feel so ashamed and vulnerable for letting this get to me so much. I'm sure you're right about the fortune-teller schtick. *Sigh*


You shouldn't feel ashamed. It's getting to you because you're human, and when we're told something like that, no matter the source, it can get to us.

For the sake of argument, let's say this Pastor is on the level. Whether it be a Christian prophet, a Tarot Reader, a "Fortune Teller" or whatever.........what is seen is a possibility of the future, not necessarily what WILL happen. What you can do now is look for the parts of your life that his statement may apply to. If there's an area where you see a possibility of someone leaving, and you don't want them to, do something to change it.
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