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Author Topic: The God/Goddess Training path?  (Read 1954 times)

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The God/Goddess Training path?
« on: July 19, 2012, 02:05:50 pm »
As I understand it, from hearing about other's UPG, both humans and gods come from the same source, the Divine. Through re-incarnations, the human spirit can grow and evolve by gathering experiences and knowledge. Then, at some point in the evolution, one can ascend, that is: step out of the cycle of re-incarnation and move over to the spiritworld (or whatever it's called), and become a demi-deity(?), minor deity(?).
To prepare for this transition, one must do deity-taught god/goddess training in the last of one's re-incarnation as a mortal.


I know about a few who are on this path. Seems like no-one on this path writes about it in public, though. I've tried to find information about it by googling, but there's nothing.

I'd like to know what this goddess training consists of.
How do you train to become a goddess?? Do you train specific skills? If so, which? And is it magickal skills or "mundane" skills or both?
Does it entail learning about customs of different pantheons? Is there some kind of specific deity etiquette you have to learn?

Does anyone know?

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Re: The God/Goddess Training path?
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2012, 10:20:54 am »
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Few things.

One - that sounds like a very specific type of belief - and not one that I've ever heard of in any heathen path.  Your religion says Lokean.  Are you saying this is part of a Lokean religion?

Two - The only people I've heard of that do talk about training for their godhood or anything like that are drama hounds and egomaniacs.  They may well be taking it seriously, but it's not coming from people *I* take seriously.

Three - would you really trust random stuff you found on the internet about this kind of thing?  It seems like the kind of thing that would just beg abuse.

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Re: The God/Goddess Training path?
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2012, 10:23:56 am »
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I'd like to know what this goddess training consists of.
How do you train to become a goddess??

 
My understanding of how it works in some African diaspora religions is:

Die.
Partially assimilate to the families of established powers.
Let the actions of time slowly wear away the human ties that bind you to being a composite, embodied being.
Accumulate power and respond appropriately to prayer and petitioning.
Graduate.
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Re: The God/Goddess Training path?
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2012, 10:34:47 am »
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Few things.

One - that sounds like a very specific type of belief - and not one that I've ever heard of in any heathen path.  Your religion says Lokean.  Are you saying this is part of a Lokean religion?


Nope. I've heard of cases in at least three different religions.

It's not a new pagan belief either. Ascension and apotheosis can be found in several religions/beliefs.

Quote from: HeartShadow;65157

Two - The only people I've heard of that do talk about training for their godhood or anything like that are drama hounds and egomaniacs.  They may well be taking it seriously, but it's not coming from people *I* take seriously.


None of the people I know who are on this path are drama hounds or megalomaniacs, which is why they haven't written anything about this in public. They know that it would just invite to derision.
Seems like most people don't get that it's not training for godhood in this life.
When the spirit has grown and evolved to a certain point, one can ascend to a higher level and become a demi-god or minor god.

Quote from: HeartShadow;65157

Three - would you really trust random stuff you found on the internet about this kind of thing?  It seems like the kind of thing that would just beg abuse.


I mentioned in my first post that I haven't found any info about this on the internet, which is why I'm asking about it in the first place.

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Re: The God/Goddess Training path?
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2012, 10:36:19 am »
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Assumed that a) you are really serious with this question and that b) there would be such a thing, the need to ask about it kinda disqualifies you already for the quest, no?

Let's assume that becoming a deity being requires detaching from being human, interaction and existence on the spirit planes, and maybe hundreds of years on still some other levels of existence and in other states of awareness, I highly doubt there is anything you could do on this planet to train for becoming one of those beings.

Besides that I don't think egoistical human motives - which need to be behind this, because you are human and are moved by the human desire to 'ascend' to something more - help matters.
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Re: The God/Goddess Training path?
« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2012, 10:38:21 am »
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Seems like most people don't get that it's not training for godhood in this life.
When the spirit has grown and evolved to a certain point, one can ascend to a higher level and become a demi-god or minor god.

Ah... so you are basically talking about good old enlightenment?
« Last Edit: July 20, 2012, 10:38:35 am by Tana »
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That’s what people never really understood.….Things had to balance.
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Re: The God/Goddess Training path?
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2012, 11:02:47 am »
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Nope. I've heard of cases in at least three different religions.

It's not a new pagan belief either. Ascension and apotheosis can be found in several religions/beliefs.



None of the people I know who are on this path are drama hounds or megalomaniacs, which is why they haven't written anything about this in public. They know that it would just invite to derision.
Seems like most people don't get that it's not training for godhood in this life.
When the spirit has grown and evolved to a certain point, one can ascend to a higher level and become a demi-god or minor god.



I mentioned in my first post that I haven't found any info about this on the internet, which is why I'm asking about it in the first place.

 
I've heard about it as a VERY historical thing.  I have NOT heard about some kind of specific training course except in a very specific subset of belief.

You say you have friends that are involved in this.  Why not ask them what it involves?

It's not a question that makes any sense in my religion.  We're already Divine.  Asking how to become a god would be like asking how to become a squirrel.  We are Divine, and we are human, and one thing is not another thing because it IS a thing.

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Re: The God/Goddess Training path?
« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2012, 11:06:24 am »
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It's not a question that makes any sense in my religion.  We're already Divine.  Asking how to become a god would be like asking how to become a squirrel.  We are Divine, and we are human, and one thing is not another thing because it IS a thing.

 
Well, you're not already a squirrel, so clearly becoming a squirrel would be more complicated. ;)
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Re: The God/Goddess Training path?
« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2012, 11:24:41 am »
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Well, you're not already a squirrel, so clearly becoming a squirrel would be more complicated. ;)

 
No, Dark - Shad is "squirrelly" - there's a difference

Amber, the path to becoming God-like is summed up in two steps

Step one - give up any hope of a normal relationship with other humans
Step two - be prepared to work your ass off for a LONG time

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Re: The God/Goddess Training path?
« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2012, 12:00:31 pm »
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No, Dark - Shad is "squirrelly" - there's a difference

Amber, the path to becoming God-like is summed up in two steps

Step one - give up any hope of a normal relationship with other humans
Step two - be prepared to work your ass off for a LONG time


Is becoming god-like something you can even prepare for? I mean, it's one thing to learn about something in a controlled environment, it's another thing to do that thing out in the real world where people are people. Does part of the course cover what to do if one of my followers goes nuts and kills someone? Do I get a nice cushy PR department or are those things only for the big gods?

Maybe I'm pessimistic, but I think some humans would make terrible deities. I include myself in this, because I am really not good with people. Can I get a deity job that works with reptiles? I love reptiles! They get such a bad rap from so many people.

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Re: The God/Goddess Training path?
« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2012, 01:30:57 pm »
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Assumed that a) you are really serious with this question and that b) there would be such a thing, the need to ask about it kinda disqualifies you already for the quest, no?

I'm not personally interested in taking that path, and has said it's not for me.
I just like to gather information. ^_^

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Let's assume that becoming a deity being requires detaching from being human, interaction and existence on the spirit planes, and maybe hundreds of years on still some other levels of existence and in other states of awareness, I highly doubt there is anything you could do on this planet to train for becoming one of those beings.

Well, that's not quite accurate.
The whole point of being re-incarnated (which I believe in) is that your spirit can learn and evolve. So, in one sense we are all on this path from our very first life and onward.
From what I gather, when you've reached an appropriate point of spiritual evolution, you may then ascend to the spirit plane and begin as a very minor deity.
From the info I've been able to gather on a spirit-worker board, you can't just study and train all by yourself. This path is deity taught, but it is done on this plane.

Quote from: Tana;65164
Besides that I don't think egoistical human motives - which need to be behind this, because you are human and are moved by the human desire to 'ascend' to something more - help matters.

No, egoistical human motives are not behind a path like this. It's about spiritual evolution and being taught by deities.

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Ah... so you are basically talking about good old enlightenment?

Sort of, yeah. :-)
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Re: The God/Goddess Training path?
« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2012, 01:37:46 pm »
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Well, that's not quite accurate.
The whole point of being re-incarnated (which I believe in) is that your spirit can learn and evolve. So, in one sense we are all on this path from our very first life and onward.
From what I gather, when you've reached an appropriate point of spiritual evolution, you may then ascend to the spirit plane and begin as a very minor deity.
From the info I've been able to gather on a spirit-worker board, you can't just study and train all by yourself. This path is deity taught, but it is done on this plane.


Erm, that is just one viewpoint of the whole reincarnation thing.
And it is very heavily tinted by modern new age concepts.

Personally it's not valid within my belief system.
Neither do I think life (or the plural of it) is a row of school classes that need to be passed to finally 'graduate' and become a 'higher' being.

So not everybody believing in reincarnation is buying that whole package, you know.
« Last Edit: July 20, 2012, 01:38:17 pm by Tana »
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That’s what people never really understood.….Things had to balance.
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Re: The God/Goddess Training path?
« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2012, 01:51:45 pm »
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..
Well, that's not quite accurate.
The whole point of being re-incarnated (which I believe in) is that your spirit can learn and evolve. So, in one sense we are all on this path from our very first life and onward.
From what I gather, when you've reached an appropriate point of spiritual evolution, you may then ascend to the spirit plane and begin as a very minor deity.
From the info I've been able to gather on a spirit-worker board, you can't just study and train all by yourself. This path is deity taught, but it is done on this plane.

..



Hm, seems one major falicy to that logic.  It would require that each incarnation be aware of its previous incarnation and retain full knowledge and ability to acess and relate that information at will while retaining an ability to seperate one incarnation from another less they all merge into one dynamic.

If one tends to seperate the incarnations then you potentially suffer the agony of split personalities as each vies for the dominante position.  If you merge them all then you equally suffer the potential of time and sequence corruption due to multiple social issues and conditions which may no longer be applicable to the time and conditions of ones current incarnation.  

I would think especially critical as there would be a seperate identity for each incarnation along with the concepts of self vice something where a divine persona I would think would have a singular persona through out any and all incarnations of its spirit into a mortal form.

Non of that even taking into consideration the concepts of multiple time streams, demensions and / or cross current similarities and overlap of awareness between alternate realilities.

But one thing I'd point out is that historically when one see a human elevated to demi-god / goddess status it takes a trully heroic action to do so or a connection to a devine influenced birthright.  In many instances requiring both conditions for it to be recognized and the person elevated to a higher plain of existance and acknowledged by thier fellow humanity.

Just my personal opinon but why would any god / goddess attempt to create a competing demi-god / goddess that one day might potentially be elevated to a position higher than them?  Sorry from an ego perspective that seems to human and self centered.  Especially considering again those who have reached such a position via mythology or historical account never pursued such a pathway but had it placed upon them adn elevated to such a plain by their fellow humanity.

But again these are just my opinons so I admit I could be wrong.

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Re: The God/Goddess Training path?
« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2012, 02:09:28 pm »
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You say you have friends that are involved in this.  Why not ask them what it involves?

No, I said I know a few people who are on this path.
I have however asked the same question on a spirit-worker forum, and got some interesting and informative responses from people who are on a "preparation for ascension" path thingy. ^_^

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It's not a question that makes any sense in my religion.  We're already Divine.  Asking how to become a god would be like asking how to become a squirrel.  We are Divine, and we are human, and one thing is not another thing because it IS a thing.

 
In my belief (UPG) humans and gods come from the same divine source. The human spirit must learn and evolve and become "refined" (in a spiritual alchemical sense) before it is ready to go to the next "level".
It's rather like the spiritual equivalent of growing up and getting a job. ^_^


"Level", heh, makes me think of roleplaying games:
"My priestess has now enough experience points to go up to level 100 - Yay! Godhood!"

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Re: The God/Goddess Training path?
« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2012, 02:13:08 pm »
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But one thing I'd point out is that historically when one see a human elevated to demi-god / goddess status it takes a trully heroic action to do so or a connection to a devine influenced birthright.  In many instances requiring both conditions for it to be recognized and the person elevated to a higher plain of existance and acknowledged by thier fellow humanity.

 
I'm going to agree with this. Even persons who have done great or evil things in history have not presented themselves as far as I know. I've not heard of the Deity Abraham Lincoln, nor have I heard of the Deity Adolf Hitler. While either may have cults, its not a worship of the person themselves, but the ideas they embodied in life. I can imagine someone being fanatic about either, but not worshipping them. It's not to say it doesn't happen, but I feel like it's odd to say about either of them, but they are both known worldwide. I'm not sure, what then, would qualify a human to ascend in the manner being discussed here. I'm certainly open to suggestions.

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