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Syrian Girl killed for being Pagan
« on: March 23, 2013, 08:14:38 am »
Now I don't know if this is the right spot for it, I'm sort of confused about where to put this. But apparently this girl who lived in Syria was pagan. Her brother outed her after he had become radicalized. The whole article is in the link below but this is also happening in Egypt, where Kemetics have to pretend to be good Muslims out in the open while they worship the Kemetic gods in private.

http://wildhunt.org/2013/03/the-fall-of-a-syrian-pagan.html

This really puts things in perspective. If you think, and this is for minorities all across the board, that you have it bad at least your not over there and at least your not dead. Be glad and stop complaining, it's not like your over there. Below is the Egyptian one, though it does mention Syria.

http://wildhunt.org/2013/01/pnc-in-syria-and-egypt-pagan-voices-fall-silent.html

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Re: Syrian Girl killed for being Pagan
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2013, 08:57:18 am »
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This really puts things in perspective. If you think, and this is for minorities all across the board, that you have it bad at least your not over there and at least your not dead. Be glad and stop complaining, it's not like your over there.

 
Emphasis mine

Right, because hate crimes never happen here in the, oh so enlightened, west. People are never killed because they're gay, women are never beaten, raped and killed in this country. Trans* people are all perfectly safe, P.O.C. are never shot by police for being P.O.C...

Really? I can't even believe you said that!

Listen, I cried my eyes out when I read that story, it's truly horrifying, but to say what you did above is just plain ignorant. Maybe the community you live in is some kind of utopia where these things never happen. But, people suffer and die because of discrimination, fear and hate on a regular basis in this country.

Be glad and stop complaining? NO FUCKING WAY!

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« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2013, 10:47:21 am »
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Emphasis mine

Right, because hate crimes never happen here in the, oh so enlightened, west. People are never killed because they're gay, women are never beaten, raped and killed in this country. Trans* people are all perfectly safe, P.O.C. are never shot by police for being P.O.C...

Really? I can't even believe you said that!

Listen, I cried my eyes out when I read that story, it's truly horrifying, but to say what you did above is just plain ignorant. Maybe the community you live in is some kind of utopia where these things never happen. But, people suffer and die because of discrimination, fear and hate on a regular basis in this country.

Be glad and stop complaining? NO FUCKING WAY!

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Re: Syrian Girl killed for being Pagan
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2013, 10:50:21 am »
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This really puts things in perspective. If you think, and this is for minorities all across the board, that you have it bad at least your not over there and at least your not dead. Be glad and stop complaining, it's not like your over there.

 
What a horrible and utterly ignorant thing to say. That attitude you just expressed is exactly why injustice exists in all corners of the globe. Good job not helping the problem.
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Re: Syrian Girl killed for being Pagan
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2013, 11:30:19 am »
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This really puts things in perspective. If you think, and this is for minorities all across the board, that you have it bad at least your not over there and at least your not dead. Be glad and stop complaining, it's not like your over there. Below is the Egyptian one, though it does mention Syria.


Really, everyone's already covered it but I'm gonna rant anyway.
 
It's not a zero-sum game. LGBT people still get beaten up where I live. POC get killed for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. We as pagans are, for the most part, fortunate to live in places where we won't get dragged into the street and killed for being pagan, but the way you responded to this is looks a lot like you are using her death as an excuse for you to feel superior.

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Re: Syrian Girl killed for being Pagan
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2013, 12:23:47 pm »
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Emphasis mine

Right, because hate crimes never happen here in the, oh so enlightened, west. People are never killed because they're gay, women are never beaten, raped and killed in this country. Trans* people are all perfectly safe, P.O.C. are never shot by police for being P.O.C...

Really? I can't even believe you said that!

Listen, I cried my eyes out when I read that story, it's truly horrifying, but to say what you did above is just plain ignorant. Maybe the community you live in is some kind of utopia where these things never happen. But, people suffer and die because of discrimination, fear and hate on a regular basis in this country.

Be glad and stop complaining? NO FUCKING WAY!


As a minority living in the Bible Belt I haven't yet to experience any form of discrimination or fear. The point that I was making was that nothing that your going through will pale in comparison to what that girl went through or any woman, gay/lesiban, whoever will even come close to experiencing. Women here can drive, women over there can't, you can go out and buy things by yourself, they can't, you can worship how you want, they can't, you don't have to worry about being killed because someone doesn't like you, they have to worry about that.

So be glad that you live in a country where you don't have that fear, that's what I'm talking about. However, things can change but not yet. That's what I mean and that's what I got from the article. I'm a woman, I'm a recon, but when I read this at once I thought the following "If I think that I have it bad then I need to stop complaining but at least I'm not dead."

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Re: Syrian Girl killed for being Pagan
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2013, 12:33:54 pm »
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As a minority living in the Bible Belt I haven't yet to experience any form of discrimination or fear. The point that I was making was that nothing that your going through will pale in comparison to what that girl went through or any woman, gay/lesiban, whoever will even come close to experiencing. Women here can drive, women over there can't, you can go out and buy things by yourself, they can't, you can worship how you want, they can't, you don't have to worry about being killed because someone doesn't like you, they have to worry about that.

So be glad that you live in a country where you don't have that fear, that's what I'm talking about. However, things can change but not yet. That's what I mean and that's what I got from the article. I'm a woman, I'm a recon, but when I read this at once I thought the following "If I think that I have it bad then I need to stop complaining but at least I'm not dead."

 
As a gay man living in the Bible Belt, I take exception to this.  I AM afraid of being beaten and killed for being who I am.  I HAVE to live knowing that is entirely possible.


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Re: Syrian Girl killed for being Pagan
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2013, 12:51:22 pm »
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you don't have to worry about being killed because someone doesn't like you, they have to worry about that.

So be glad that you live in a country where you don't have that fear, that's what I'm talking about.

Tell that to Matthew Shepard

It happens here in America too; killed for being different or hounded till you take your own life - like dozens of teens every year

It happens everywhere, just that the holier-than-thou people point to other countries and ignore that it's happening in their own back yard.
« Last Edit: March 23, 2013, 12:51:43 pm by Rhyshadow »

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Re: Syrian Girl killed for being Pagan
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2013, 12:51:45 pm »
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As a minority living in the Bible Belt I haven't yet to experience any form of discrimination or fear. The point that I was making was that nothing that your going through will pale in comparison to what that girl went through or any woman, gay/lesiban, whoever will even come close to experiencing. Women here can drive, women over there can't, you can go out and buy things by yourself, they can't, you can worship how you want, they can't, you don't have to worry about being killed because someone doesn't like you, they have to worry about that.

So be glad that you live in a country where you don't have that fear, that's what I'm talking about. However, things can change but not yet. That's what I mean and that's what I got from the article. I'm a woman, I'm a recon, but when I read this at once I thought the following "If I think that I have it bad then I need to stop complaining but at least I'm not dead."

 
Ok, two points here.

One. You cannot know what or how anyone experiences anything. Neither can I. Stating that 'you cannot have it as bad as.....' is ignorant at best and insulting at worst.

Secondly, yes you are very lucky that you do not have to go through what this girl did. No one is denying that what she went through is horrific. But that does not mean that people in the Oh- so- enlightened- West are not living in daily fear for their lives. For whatever reason that may be. Yes, at least we are not dead. Doesn't mean that people are not treated so badly that, on a daily basis, they wish that they were! It is not acceptable to dengrate anybody's experiences of life. In ANY circumstance.
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Re: Syrian Girl killed for being Pagan
« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2013, 01:04:12 pm »
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As a minority living in the Bible Belt I haven't yet to experience any form of discrimination or fear. The point that I was making was that nothing that your going through will pale in comparison to what that girl went through or any woman, gay/lesiban, whoever will even come close to experiencing. Women here can drive, women over there can't, you can go out and buy things by yourself, they can't, you can worship how you want, they can't, you don't have to worry about being killed because someone doesn't like you, they have to worry about that.

So be glad that you live in a country where you don't have that fear, that's what I'm talking about. However, things can change but not yet. That's what I mean and that's what I got from the article. I'm a woman, I'm a recon, but when I read this at once I thought the following "If I think that I have it bad then I need to stop complaining but at least I'm not dead."

 
Then you're making your point very badly. You said "minorities all across the board".

Just because you haven't personally experienced something, doesn't mean those things can't and don't happen.

If you think that I've never had to fear for my life because someone knew I was a witch, you're very very wrong.

Sure, I can go to out by myself if I want, so long as I'm wearing the right kinds of clothes, and I don't go after dark.

No, I don't live a war torn country being destroyed by religious fundamentalists. But, I'm not ever going to be silent about the injustices that I see and experience here. Never gonna happen, and you have no right to tell me to be.

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Re: Syrian Girl killed for being Pagan
« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2013, 01:23:33 pm »
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As a minority living in the Bible Belt I haven't yet to experience any form of discrimination or fear.


That's great! You != everyone.

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The point that I was making was that nothing that your going through will pale in comparison to what that girl went through or any woman, gay/lesiban, whoever will even come close to experiencing.


That is an amazingly assumptive statement. How do you know Catherine's life so well as to be able to state that as fact? Are you her biographer? Are you following her around?

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Women here can drive, women over there can't, you can go out and buy things by yourself, they can't, you can worship how you want, they can't, you don't have to worry about being killed because someone doesn't like you, they have to worry about that.


I don't understand how you can think that if you watch/read even a small amount of news per day. A gay man walking his poodle was recently beaten less than half an hour from where I live; if bystanders hadn't been able to intervene, he probably would have been killed. Innocent people of color are shot by cops who think they pose some kind of imaginary danger on a regular basis. That you can blithely ignore it says that you have enough privilege that you don't think it will happen to you; that doesn't mean you can speak for all minorities.

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So be glad that you live in a country where you don't have that fear, that's what I'm talking about. However, things can change but not yet. That's what I mean and that's what I got from the article. I'm a woman, I'm a recon, but when I read this at once I thought the following "If I think that I have it bad then I need to stop complaining but at least I'm not dead."

 
Yeah, but you're not a lesbian, or a trans woman, or a person of color who is routinely threatened by police. You didn't say "Hey recons! Be glad this won't happen to you!" You broadened it to speak to all minorities, erasing the lived experiences and very real threats those minorities face, even in the so-called "enlightened" West.
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Re: Syrian Girl killed for being Pagan
« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2013, 02:10:40 pm »
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That's great! You != everyone.



That is an amazingly assumptive statement. How do you know Catherine's life so well as to be able to state that as fact? Are you her biographer? Are you following her around?

Who's Catherine?

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I don't understand how you can think that if you watch/read even a small amount of news per day. A gay man walking his poodle was recently beaten less than half an hour from where I live; if bystanders hadn't been able to intervene, he probably would have been killed. Innocent people of color are shot by cops who think they pose some kind of imaginary danger on a regular basis. That you can blithely ignore it says that you have enough privilege that you don't think it will happen to you; that doesn't mean you can speak for all minorities.

Did he call the cops because I didn't hear about this in the news.
 
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Yeah, but you're not a lesbian, or a trans woman, or a person of color who is routinely threatened by police. You didn't say "Hey recons! Be glad this won't happen to you!" You broadened it to speak to all minorities, erasing the lived experiences and very real threats those minorities face, even in the so-called "enlightened" West.

True, and I don't know what lesbians and others go through. But what I do know is that minorities in other countries that are Muslim go through heck by those that think their better than everyone else. Also, and I bet you didn't know this, but this discrimination is happening to recons. In Greece they are arrested and jailed because their not Christian. So it's happening weather we like to admit it or not.
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Re: Syrian Girl killed for being Pagan
« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2013, 02:11:52 pm »
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True, and I don't know what lesbians and others go through. But what I do know is that minorities in other countries that are Muslim go through heck by those that think their better than everyone else. Also, and I bet you didn't know this, but this discrimination is happening to recons. In Greece they are arrested and jailed because their not Christian. So it's happening weather we like to admit it or not.

 
Hay, how do you get the individual gray blobs to separate from your response. Now everyone is going to think that I altered Jack's response.

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Re: Syrian Girl killed for being Pagan
« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2013, 02:15:54 pm »
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Hay, how do you get the individual gray blobs to separate from your response.

 
Put the items between the brackets [ ] before and after each section - copy and paste

So the beginning would have [ QUOTE=RedHawk;102515 ] (without the spaces) and the ending would have [ /QUOTE ] (again without the spaces

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Now everyone is going to think that I altered Jack's response.


And there you go

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Re: Syrian Girl killed for being Pagan
« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2013, 02:18:39 pm »
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Now I don't know if this is the right spot for it, I'm sort of confused about where to put this. But apparently this girl who lived in Syria was pagan. Her brother outed her after he had become radicalized. The whole article is in the link below but this is also happening in Egypt, where Kemetics have to pretend to be good Muslims out in the open while they worship the Kemetic gods in private.

http://wildhunt.org/2013/03/the-fall-of-a-syrian-pagan.html

This really puts things in perspective. If you think, and this is for minorities all across the board, that you have it bad at least your not over there and at least your not dead. Be glad and stop complaining, it's not like your over there. Below is the Egyptian one, though it does mention Syria.

http://wildhunt.org/2013/01/pnc-in-syria-and-egypt-pagan-voices-fall-silent.html

 
Let me rephrase this thread so that I don't get into mod trouble. What happened to this girl was horrible and it shows that people have no regard for what is right and decent in this world. This brother cared nothing about her and believed what some man told him. While I don't hate Muslims and believe that everyone has the right to practice their religion they have no right to kill a girl just because she turned her back on Islam.

Another thing is that everyone goes on and on about how Assad is killing people or torturing them. I will agree that I've seen the footage back when me and my mother were leaving. It was bad but the rebels are doing the same exact thing and these people think that everything is going to be so much better without Assad around. If you think that it's bad now, people of Syria, wait until the rebels win.

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