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Now, here is my disclaimer. I realize many people would attempt, on these forums, to role-play, or attempt to make themselves feel larger than life. I am not. After a decade and many experiences to say I should, I did not wish to continue with the topic at hand, requested of me of a friend I will never meet again. Unfortunately it has been on my mind for a very long time and I would much rather make a few honest attempts before telling myself not to even try! I do hope that the fewest number of people believe I am making such attempts at fallacy!

Over a decade ago I met a very spiritual woman. I was a teenager, and her being a year younger than me of course had much more meaning! I was in my mid teens, and had already left high school a year before. Following this decision I had made a further choice to leave home, and attempt to find any true shamans left. Having no contribution to this post I may say I had questions, but most of all I wanted to find some one to help me figure out why every topic of "if this is happening, your an empath" was relating to me!

The day before I left the woman approached me. Though I apologies for bringing up a topic that some may find inappropriate, she had entered my house and asked me to have sex with her. At this time I was very good friends with both her and her long term boyfriend so I had said no... she proceeded to tell me she needed to cast a spell, and asked me again, this time further describing her request. The first question in my mind, was why would she have picked me... we had no such relationship in the past it was quite random. She went in to a story, a bit descriptive, based on spiritual events of two different religions meeting, culturally, in the town I was leaving. To me, then, it sounded very role-playish. But I was very much in to the study of people, so I was intrigued and continued the conversation. When I had made a final denial to her request she was very angered, and made a very hateful command on my future, though I do not wish to describe this willed prophesy.

After calmly accepting that if she believed that I was fine with her, but I did not at the time have reason to believe her prophecy was near my path. As I said this became quite calm, quite fast. She proceeded asked me to accept a very strange non-sexual request. Though she asked me to accept the request blind, that is, before telling me what it was. She was a friend, and obviously very distraught about something involving her beliefs. Upon assuring me it did not involved helping her cheat on her boyfriend, I accepted.

The request was this:

Upon having learned a fact, of specific value in the journey I was about to set out on though possibly not to me, I was bit to seek out the "correct person" to share it with, whom she explained she would have no contact with at any time (following up with neither would I have contact with her ever again). I was to ask a specific question, find a specific answer, and proceed to tell them what I had learned at that point in my journey, and I was done.

One would assume to believe that the woman, my friend, was having some form of confusion at that time, as I did. The specific nature of her requests and that fact that I was looking for a specific topic of discussion brings that to the forefront of mine. Though I came upon what she told me to watch for. As soon as I did I had to stop what I was doing, because I was quite surprised. Not about the information, I was at the time seeking a true follower of historical shamanic practices, but that I would actually fulfill the prophetic statement of a woman I had left behind a very long time before.

...

Now, here is my disclaimer. I realize many people would attempt, on these forums, to role-play such things, or attempt to make themselves feel larger than life. I am not. After a decade and many experiences to say I should have done this a while ago, but I did not wish to continue with this, for the display seems to me a bit dramatic, and specific enough to be reaching for straws... Unfortunately it has been on my mind for a very long time and I would much rather make a few honest attempts at what I had promised to do before telling myself not to play this strange game.

So, with out further adieu, I shall ask a question. I was asked to request any answer that one would feel viable to the question be put fourth.

Priestess, whom do you serve?

If you would please not comment, at least negatively, on the topic itself I would appreciate it. Over time I shall check to see if, by another miracle, the specifically worded answer I was requested to look for shall pop up... simply because I will not be bringing myself to do this in person =+) And while you at it you get a chance to proclaim what deity it is you have chosen to take a strong faith of!

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Now, here is my disclaimer. I realize many people would attempt, on these forums, to role-play such things, or attempt to make themselves feel larger than life. I am not. After a decade and many experiences to say I should have done this a while ago, but I did not wish to continue with this, for the display seems to me a bit dramatic, and specific enough to be reaching for straws... Unfortunately it has been on my mind for a very long time and I would much rather make a few honest attempts at what I had promised to do before telling myself not to play this strange game.

I realize I posted this twice, I mistakenly posted a draft! Im sorry for anyone I have confused!

Furthermore, I failed to add that the reason I am doing this is when I made this promise, I had done so against "something unlikely but I very much hope for"

the possibility of ever growing wings... something I personally hold dear.
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I shall ask a question. I was asked to request any answer that one would feel viable to the question be put fourth.

Priestess, whom do you serve?

If you would please not comment, at least negatively, on the topic itself I would appreciate it.


In the mythos I'm in, only the dead stars of a bygone era (and the champions of that) make such a distinction as gender specific and between liege/peon. True names don't translate, either. It's a masquerade of sobriquets for the benefit of filling the specifically-shaped holes in the human mind.


Sounds to me as if the one who gave you this mission had difficulty separating the subtle from the gross, if you've ever dabbled in Hermeticism. The prophecy fulfillment could have been coincidental. The world's a vast and variegated place.
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In the mythos I'm in, only the dead stars of a bygone era (and the champions of that) make such a distinction as gender specific and between liege/peon. True names don't translate, either. It's a masquerade of sobriquets for the benefit of filling the specifically-shaped holes in the human mind.


Sounds to me as if the one who gave you this mission had difficulty separating the subtle from the gross, if you've ever dabbled in Hermeticism. The prophecy fulfillment could have been coincidental. The world's a vast and variegated place.

Not only coincidental, but ridiculously inevitable based on the answer itself. As I am told, it is an attempt to make sure some one makes me go through the process. At the end of the 5 steps laid out for me, there is a comment for who ever goes through it to have me ask them if they wish to change it to what ever they want, as well. It is a security feature that is inherently insecure, of that I am aware.

This fact does not negate the truth that I am bound by a promise bound with importance to continue.

Stars don't die, they shriek. A nebulae forms around them, making its size, excluding mass, a much more... specially relevant? A random fact to ease the romanticism of the topic, of course.
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Now, here is my disclaimer. I realize many people would attempt, on these forums, to role-play, or attempt to make themselves feel larger than life. I am not. After a decade and many experiences to say I should, I did not wish to continue with the topic at hand, requested of me of a friend I will never meet again. Unfortunately it has been on my mind for a very long time and I would much rather make a few honest attempts before telling myself not to even try! I do hope that the fewest number of people believe I am making such attempts at fallacy!

Over a decade ago I met a very spiritual woman. I was a teenager, and her being a year younger than me of course had much more meaning! I was in my mid teens, and had already left high school a year before. Following this decision I had made a further choice to leave home, and attempt to find any true shamans left. Having no contribution to this post I may say I had questions, but most of all I wanted to find some one to help me figure out why every topic of "if this is happening, your an empath" was relating to me!

The day before I left the woman approached me. Though I apologies for bringing up a topic that some may find inappropriate, she had entered my house and asked me to have sex with her. At this time I was very good friends with both her and her long term boyfriend so I had said no... she proceeded to tell me she needed to cast a spell, and asked me again, this time further describing her request. The first question in my mind, was why would she have picked me... we had no such relationship in the past it was quite random. She went in to a story, a bit descriptive, based on spiritual events of two different religions meeting, culturally, in the town I was leaving. To me, then, it sounded very role-playish. But I was very much in to the study of people, so I was intrigued and continued the conversation. When I had made a final denial to her request she was very angered, and made a very hateful command on my future, though I do not wish to describe this willed prophesy.

After calmly accepting that if she believed that I was fine with her, but I did not at the time have reason to believe her prophecy was near my path. As I said this became quite calm, quite fast. She proceeded asked me to accept a very strange non-sexual request. Though she asked me to accept the request blind, that is, before telling me what it was. She was a friend, and obviously very distraught about something involving her beliefs. Upon assuring me it did not involved helping her cheat on her boyfriend, I accepted.

The request was this:

Upon having learned a fact, of specific value in the journey I was about to set out on though possibly not to me, I was bit to seek out the "correct person" to share it with, whom she explained she would have no contact with at any time (following up with neither would I have contact with her ever again). I was to ask a specific question, find a specific answer, and proceed to tell them what I had learned at that point in my journey, and I was done.

One would assume to believe that the woman, my friend, was having some form of confusion at that time, as I did. The specific nature of her requests and that fact that I was looking for a specific topic of discussion brings that to the forefront of mine. Though I came upon what she told me to watch for. As soon as I did I had to stop what I was doing, because I was quite surprised. Not about the information, I was at the time seeking a true follower of historical shamanic practices, but that I would actually fulfill the prophetic statement of a woman I had left behind a very long time before.

...

Now, here is my disclaimer. I realize many people would attempt, on these forums, to role-play such things, or attempt to make themselves feel larger than life. I am not. After a decade and many experiences to say I should have done this a while ago, but I did not wish to continue with this, for the display seems to me a bit dramatic, and specific enough to be reaching for straws... Unfortunately it has been on my mind for a very long time and I would much rather make a few honest attempts at what I had promised to do before telling myself not to play this strange game.

So, with out further adieu, I shall ask a question. I was asked to request any answer that one would feel viable to the question be put fourth.

Priestess, whom do you serve?

If you would please not comment, at least negatively, on the topic itself I would appreciate it. Over time I shall check to see if, by another miracle, the specifically worded answer I was requested to look for shall pop up... simply because I will not be bringing myself to do this in person =+) And while you at it you get a chance to proclaim what deity it is you have chosen to take a strong faith of!

 
I'm sorry, but I'm having a hard time parsing what you wrote. If you could ask your question again in simpler language, I think that it would be helpful.

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I'm sorry, but I'm having a hard time parsing what you wrote. If you could ask your question again in simpler language, I think that it would be helpful.


From what I understood, the question was, "Priestess, whom do you serve?"

The thing is OP was told to ask people this question by this old friend who was woo-woo way into the deep end and tried to manipulate OP into a sex ritual, and blabbered predictions all the way, so OP has some lingering apprehension in asking, but had to try, because one of those predictions came true.

If someone gives the word-perfect answer to the above question, then the woo is validated and the adventures continue. Huzzah.
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From what I understood, the question was, "Priestess, whom do you serve?"

The thing is OP was told to ask people this question by this old friend who was woo-woo way into the deep end and tried to manipulate OP into a sex ritual, and blabbered predictions all the way, so OP has some lingering apprehension in asking, but had to try, because one of those predictions came true.

If someone gives the word-perfect answer to the above question, then the woo is validated and the adventures continue. Huzzah.

 
Yes and no.

I was asked my this friend to involve myself in a sexual ritual that she held in great significance, because she was very frightened by some form of opinion or action of a culture she had found. The fact that remains is her elevated emotion was higher than would be normal. When I said no, she realized I had just said no to her for sex as well, and was offended. Getting past that she asked me, if the shaman/spiritual person I found was part of this culture, to learn a few things and go through this process.

The question itself if to weed out casual interest which could come to many things. An effort to not force this on people who don't really care, an effort to stop me from talking to people whom only have a casual interest, etc. etc.

The fact is, though, that I am doing this because I made a promise. It was asked not to be something that would likely come to pass, but the thought that in some reality humans grow wings and I don't get them because I didn't ask this question to a handful of people and have a short but awkward conversation with them is a bit daunting to me. The paragraph I wrote was horrible, mostly because I am a bit bad at explaining myself, but I do hope the facts were some what legible.

While I was on my own as a teenager I ran in to a spiritual practitioner who didn't seem to fit the part of some one who would. Not very improbable, but yes, as a support to your statement, a prediction.

second, I was told that a family member whom I had not laid eyes on in years would appear in my town on new years day, me knowing nothing of it before hand. Lo and behold I have been set up as a new years gift for my brother to visit, he had 2 days notice so had no time to tell me anyway, and I havn't seen him in almost a decade. A bit more odd, but this one, I do understand, was open to interpretation and meant only to remind me that I had a promise to keep

At the end of the short conversation, theres the question to change this question/answer to anything the person wants me to as long as it weeds out people with any reason to have more than casual interest in the topic. There is also a question on if this person wants me to continue, and if they say no im done. If they say yes I keep going, until I feel, personally, that I have fulfilled my promise. I personally don't think I really need to go over 2 or maybe 4 to make myself feel like I did what I said I would.

The arguments against the topic itself are that I learned this from the beliefs of only one person, and only confirmed that he was talking about more than himself by one more, and the confirming person did it to tell me that he was part of this group and an action I was taking was stupid. I don't remember what the action was, but I did find it to be a shock, as anyone would.

As a final note, if the forum leaders would ask me to drop this and not put it up again, I would! I am not trying to belittle these forums or use them to assist some emotionally-charged adventure of mine, I am really only trying to fill a promise that allows me to tell myself honestly when I have

Though thank you for your time :)

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As a final note, if the forum leaders would ask me to drop this and not put it up again, I would! I am not trying to belittle these forums or use them to assist some emotionally-charged adventure of mine, I am really only trying to fill a promise that allows me to tell myself honestly when I have

Though thank you for your time :)

 

On a side note, I do realize that the pagan faith does not have temples, therefor the denotion of priestess is quite extreme. I did not word this question, and never actually get to! =-)

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The question itself if to weed out casual interest which could come to many things. An effort to not force this on people who don't really care, an effort to stop me from talking to people whom only have a casual interest, etc. etc.

The fact is, though, that I am doing this because I made a promise. It was asked not to be something that would likely come to pass, but the thought that in some reality humans grow wings and I don't get them because I didn't ask this question to a handful of people and have a short but awkward conversation with them is a bit daunting to me.

The question is basically an ice-breaker, then? I suppose it's a healthy challenge to start up more conversations and try to get to know more people more. Referring to this other reality where people have wings, are we talking angelic/fae/draconic otherkin or...?
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The question is basically an ice-breaker, then? I suppose it's a healthy challenge to start up more conversations and try to get to know more people more. Referring to this other reality where people have wings, are we talking angelic/fae/draconic otherkin or...?

 
Yes.

Though, there is nothing in it in relation to me forming a continuing friendship. In the sequence I was given, anyway. Tell them whatsup and ask I should keep going, I get to ask what ever questions I want (though I don't have many I can think of), tell them what I learned based on what I was asked to look for, ask if there are any questions for me (in which I am suppose to answer truthfully... fml) and the closing "shall I continue, what shall I ask" statement. Pretty simple on my part, really. I have the third part in a document to copy and paste :D. Though I did not expect so few people simply going past the romanticism (and my inability to communicate such things properly) and speaking for the sake of "I believe this deity is my served "god" " :D

as for wings, its open to interpretation :) I would hope they wouldn't be ugly, though!

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On a side note, I do realize that the pagan faith does not have temples, therefor the denotion of priestess is quite extreme.

There is no such thing as "the pagan faith".  "Pagan" denotes a large number of different religions, with different theological and practice structures.  Some of which - or some denominations of which - do, in fact, have temples.  And some of which do not hold that "priest/ess" is a temple-related role in the first place.

(ETA: )  Not getting into the question of whether "faith" is an appropriate noun here, but noting that many people, including myself, would say it absolutely isn't.
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And some of which do not hold that "priest/ess" is a temple-related role in the first place.

 
This. I am/have been a few sorts of priest/ess, and not one of those sorts required a temple.

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I did not expect so few people simply going past the romanticism (and my inability to communicate such things properly) and speaking for the sake of "I believe this deity is my served "god" " :D

 
Aside from that one part where you had to clarify my summary (and clarification's usually good), I thought I got it. This bit, I don't fully understand, though...

Do you mean to say that you expected more people to simple go past the romanticism and your communication and speaking for their deity?

Or do you mean to say that you expected exactly this amount of people to stick with the romanticism and get hung up on communication barriers, and not get to say "I believe this deity is my served god"?

Or was there an expected ratio between people who wonder about the question, and people who just simply answer the question...and the actual ratio has been the opposite?
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Aside from that one part where you had to clarify my summary (and clarification's usually good), I thought I got it. This bit, I don't fully understand, though...

Do you mean to say that you expected more people to simple go past the romanticism and your communication and speaking for their deity?

Or do you mean to say that you expected exactly this amount of people to stick with the romanticism and get hung up on communication barriers, and not get to say "I believe this deity is my served god"?

Or was there an expected ratio between people who wonder about the question, and people who just simply answer the question...and the actual ratio has been the opposite?


to make a pre statement to my clarification, my expectation was simply a personal viewpoint, and in reality is quite illogical to have, concerning the fact that there are so very many types of people out there, and these forums represent a specific number of people! the comment was wrong of me to make and please accept my apologies.

I had thought I would be able to communicate that I had hoped I would find people that would look past it, as it is inherent to the question itself, and try there hand and answering :)

I am unsure how clear I was on the purpose of this quiz, and I do not mean to be rude with that statement, if I was. The goal is to find some one in a manner that removes casual interest to attempt to find out if casual interest should indeed be allowed, supports the worship of a single specific deity over all others ( I might add it is not a very obscure one in paganism today), and is in some form of leadership position within a physical community. I had even asked her to remove the whole thing and find a direct rout to this, though she was very determined for the first person to identify themselves as having a matching deity to hers, and have a general inquiry to the topic based on that belief. She made it clear that she did not know the specifics of what I would find, but did believe there could be some form of threat to those of her "faith," inherent in the belief systems of another that she had investigated. She even expressed _minor_ concern to the possibility of physical harm to some individuals if these groups were to have belief-based discussions on a large basis, followed by explaining its very low possibility of igniting. I do realize how ridiculous that sounds, but the fact remains that that is what I promised to do. At the time I was leaving anyway, so I accepted, and ended up finding a small bit of information on the topic, therefor I am bound to share it how I promised. and left it to be not done for a very long time, for a purpose I believe is inherent here. fml. :)

on the topic of the word "faith." the word itself is a reference to trust. those who are "pagans" trust paganism. Therefor is does, in some sense, make it a faith.

I feel bad that I am showing this as such a mystery, though I do see this as a bit of a volunteer job. I am in the middle of proof reading a thesis-type document based on my inquiries and in my spare time, I give it to them and then it and all the information therein is theirs as soon as they finish reading the document. And I do hope that when the first person tells me how to find the next one, the entire process is made much easier while attempting to attain the same general goal, in which I would be glad to have a conversation at any length required on my interpretation on the purpose of her request! After a few times handing this out, too, I should restate, my "volunteer job" is complete, because I believe I made a conscious effort in good faith to do so, in relation to what I had learned.

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on the topic of the word "faith." the word itself is a reference to trust. those who are "pagans" trust paganism.

 
... to do what?

Exist as a vague, nebulous category of largely unconnected-except-by-politics religions?

I think I'm even more "um, no" about faith as a relevant category than I was before, if that's your understanding of how it works.
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