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Author Topic: Offensive Deity Statues  (Read 28406 times)

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Re: Offensive Deity Statues
« Reply #15 on: July 06, 2012, 11:49:42 am »
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I quite like the Bast one and it seems appropriate for a goddess connected with sex and pleasure, among other things.

 
Well, it might be appropriate for a goddess connected with sex and pleasure, but that just underscores that it's not appropriate for Bast.
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Re: Offensive Deity Statues
« Reply #16 on: July 06, 2012, 12:47:07 pm »
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Also, that statue of Hera is just awful, IMO. Juno and Hera are similar enough that I find it to be inappropriate as well.


I just found this statue of Gaia (from the same line as the Hera one, I'm assuming): http://www.abaxion.com/ut805.htm

What's with the bare midriff? Don't misunderstand me, I find bare midriffs attractive, but on the personification of Earth? I guess I much prefer the Millennial Gaia: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pXJqOp63pP4/TXaBTPiktvI/AAAAAAAABVY/lDkGSs9rBJg/s1600/gaia.jpg

Some more from the same site:

Hecate: http://www.abaxion.com/ut430.htm Is it just me, or does she look very, very angry? Upset about her bare breasts, maybe?

A valkyrie--with a chainmail bikini: http://www.abaxion.com/ut803.htm This one I can forgive because it seems more like a "generic fantasy art" piece, but a chainmail bikini, seriously?

Ochun: http://www.abaxion.com/ut754.htm Now, perhaps this is appropriate for the orisha of love and beauty, but it does seem like she's showing a *lot* of leg. Is that a hat she's wearing, with the cowrie shells? I like it, it says "I'm in charge!"

Yemaya: http://www.abaxion.com/ut755.htm Yes, I know, she's associated with the sea, but I find myself very distracted by that bikini (the fact that she's gesturing to it does not help). I think the dolphin in the image has the same idea. Compare with this Yemaya from Sacred Source: http://www.sacredsource.com/Yemaya-dark-skin-8-statue/productinfo/YEMB/

I probably seem like such a prude. I have no problem with deities being naked where appropriate (for example, Aphrodite, who is rarely depicted clothed) but I think there's a fine line between artistic license, and just....not being very respectful.

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Re: Offensive Deity Statues
« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2012, 01:05:11 pm »
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Hecate: http://www.abaxion.com/ut430.htm Is it just me, or does she look very, very angry? Upset about her bare breasts, maybe?

If there wasn't the bare boob, I'd say cool, finally one not portrayed as 'the Crone'.

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Re: Offensive Deity Statues
« Reply #18 on: July 06, 2012, 01:11:28 pm »
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Hecate: http://www.abaxion.com/ut430.htm Is it just me, or does she look very, very angry? Upset about her bare breasts, maybe?
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I probably seem like such a prude. I have no problem with deities being naked where appropriate (for example, Aphrodite, who is rarely depicted clothed) but I think there's a fine line between artistic license, and just....not being very respectful.

 
I admit when it comes to Hecate / Hekate and Artemis / Diana I am pretty prudish in what I like or dislike.  I prefer the more ancient look of their statuary than the modern rendentitions one finds today.

I dislike the referenced one as much as I despise this one from the same site.   http://www.abaxion.com/hhec.htm  or this one from the original site in question http://www.goddessgift.net/hecate-statue-with-hounds-US-WU75183AA.html

With nudity I think it really depends upon which goddess and what aspect of her is being displayed.  For instance the Arcadian / Olympian Artemis nudity is not appropriate given her chaste status in my opinion.  Yet with the many breasted Artemis of Ephesus frontal nudity is a common occurance and important feature so it is expected.

Diana Nemorensis (sp) ie Diana of Lake Nemi is a tri-formus goddess with one figure believed to be particually nude of the three that make it up.  Yet it's seldom clearly seen on the coinage which depicts it.

But that is my own personal preference of things not something i'd use to discourage anyone from creating or seeing any god / goddess as they would.  Yet artistic liscense does seem to get pushed to the extreme at times in my opinion.  Especially when I find a statue offensive and do some research into the artist and find they only created the form because it is popular and they though it would sell but have no actual connection to the goddess / god being depicted.

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Re: Offensive Deity Statues
« Reply #19 on: July 06, 2012, 01:19:47 pm »
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Nothing really comes to mind as far as being offensive, although there is this statue of Hera (http://www.abaxion.com/dq023.htm) that I don't think really suits her. She's dressed up like some sexy sci-fi heroine, not something a modest Greek woman would wear. As Hera represents the chaste, modest ideal for Greek women, and the dignified queen of the gods and patroness of marriage, I just don't feel it. However, others may get something out of it that I don't, so to each his/her own.


I saw that and I found rather sad it was the one Hera statue I ever saw around... if anything else because the artist dressed Her up as an odalisque or according some kind of oriental fashion... the one trait of the statue that actually made me to think of Hera was the peacock.
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Re: Offensive Deity Statues
« Reply #20 on: July 06, 2012, 01:20:39 pm »
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If there wasn't the bare boob, I'd say cool, finally one not portrayed as 'the Crone'.


I suppose its sort of ironic but every rendetition of her i've ever found that shows a "Crone" is a modern one.  The more archaic forms, ie statuary, pottery, poetry do not show her in such a light.   Even in her Chaldean form she is not seen as a crone or older woman though she has four differing heads that are none-human.

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Re: Offensive Deity Statues
« Reply #21 on: July 06, 2012, 01:26:20 pm »
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Some more from the same site:

Hecate: http://www.abaxion.com/ut430.htm Is it just me, or does she look very, very angry? Upset about her bare breasts, maybe?


I always hated that statue - it seems like an unfortunate attempt to play up the 'scary' factor instead of actually portraying the goddess in question ... urgh.

And I don't think you are prude. You are right about the line between appropriate portrayal and random nakedness... I do think that unfortunately often those who make those statues kinda got touch with what those deities were supposed to be about.
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Re: Offensive Deity Statues
« Reply #22 on: July 06, 2012, 04:27:11 pm »
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YMMV, of course, but have you ever found a statue to be offensive?

 
The Bast statue didn't even look much like Bast to me. It looked more like a lady wearing cat ears. :\ Still, I thought it was a gorgeous statue. It's not shrine-appropriate in my opinion (I prefer more traditional looks for shrine). Had I the funds, I wouldn't mind it as a decorative piece.

I haven't found many statues blatantly offensive. What I don't like in general is how deities (especially goddesses) have been sexualized so much. It makes things weird when shopping for statues.

"Oh, a Bast sta--um, boobs, wow. Um, well, I guess there's a . . . fertility aspect at play?"

Bleh. (Bast has "motherly" aspects to me, but not enough to justify some of the more, erm, modern depictions of her. Let's not get started with the sex, pleasure, and marijuana aspects.)

Abaxion is a big offender in this way (along with Goddess Gift), though they do have some decent product. The bronze Hestia statue is awfully pretty and modest. I can't say if it's traditional or not.
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Re: Offensive Deity Statues
« Reply #23 on: July 06, 2012, 04:33:14 pm »
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Abaxion is a big offender in this way (along with Goddess Gift), though they do have some decent product. The bronze Hestia statue is awfully pretty and modest. I can't say if it's traditional or not.


The reason I like Goddess Gift is because they don't charge me an arm and a leg for shipping like Sacred Source. I just....ignore the info. they post on each deity because I think if I were to really examine everything they say my head would explode.

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Re: Offensive Deity Statues
« Reply #24 on: July 06, 2012, 04:44:58 pm »
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http://www.goddessgift.net/hecate-statue-with-hounds-US-WU75183AA.html

I don't find the artwork that bad, but the blue color and the lunar connection don't strike me as very hecate-like. I'm not sure though that there isn't any 'stray' lunar connection somewhere.

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Re: Offensive Deity Statues
« Reply #25 on: July 06, 2012, 04:48:30 pm »
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The reason I like Goddess Gift is because they don't charge me an arm and a leg for shipping like Sacred Source. I just....ignore the info. they post on each deity because I think if I were to really examine everything they say my head would explode.

 
Good point, there. Yeah, don't read the info because you'll either (a) explode from the crazy or (b) laugh yourself to death. Sometimes it's like they make stuff up. XD

Also, Goddess Gift ships at a reasonable time. In February 2011, I ordered a statue from Abaxion that was supposed to come, at the latest, in late March. I got it in September. :hdsk:
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Re: Offensive Deity Statues
« Reply #26 on: July 06, 2012, 05:54:45 pm »
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I just found this statue of Gaia (from the same line as the Hera one, I'm assuming): http://www.abaxion.com/ut805.htm

Hecate: http://www.abaxion.com/ut430.htm Is it just me, or does she look very, very angry? Upset about her bare breasts, maybe?


I probably seem like such a prude. I have no problem with deities being naked where appropriate (for example, Aphrodite, who is rarely depicted clothed) but I think there's a fine line between artistic license, and just....not being very respectful.


Gaia looks like She's about to fall over, backwards.

I don't think that's a bare boob in the Hecate statue. If you look closely, it looks like there's a a border on a short sleeve and a V neckline. Then down by the skirt there are a few wrinkle. So, I think She's wearing a top, it's just skin tight. Either way, it's still a little too sexual for me. Though, I think that one could be fixed by painting it. If there were some color differentiation, it wouldn't look like a bare boob. I actually considered buying that one, but...no.
 
Personally, I don't think you're being a prude. Some things are just inappropriate.

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Re: Offensive Deity Statues
« Reply #27 on: July 07, 2012, 12:02:20 am »
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Hey, that shop offers also cool stuff.
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Yes it does! I've ordered a lot of things off Abaxion, actually. Their prices are pretty reasonable, and I've only had a problem once when I ordered a statue that for some reason couldn't be delivered, and they refunded the money pretty quickly.

There are some not-so-great things on there, like why would anyone pay for a statue like this? http://www.abaxion.com/din5.htm ... I could probably sculpt better than that myself.
 
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I just found this statue of Gaia (from the same line as the Hera one, I'm assuming): http://www.abaxion.com/ut805.htm

What's with the bare midriff? Don't misunderstand me, I find bare midriffs attractive, but on the personification of Earth? I guess I much prefer the Millennial Gaia: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pXJqOp63pP4/TXaBTPiktvI/AAAAAAAABVY/lDkGSs9rBJg/s1600/gaia.jpg

Some more from the same site:

Hecate: http://www.abaxion.com/ut430.htm Is it just me, or does she look very, very angry? Upset about her bare breasts, maybe?

A valkyrie--with a chainmail bikini: http://www.abaxion.com/ut803.htm This one I can forgive because it seems more like a "generic fantasy art" piece, but a chainmail bikini, seriously?

Ochun: http://www.abaxion.com/ut754.htm Now, perhaps this is appropriate for the orisha of love and beauty, but it does seem like she's showing a *lot* of leg. Is that a hat she's wearing, with the cowrie shells? I like it, it says "I'm in charge!"

Yemaya: http://www.abaxion.com/ut755.htm Yes, I know, she's associated with the sea, but I find myself very distracted by that bikini (the fact that she's gesturing to it does not help). I think the dolphin in the image has the same idea. Compare with this Yemaya from Sacred Source: http://www.sacredsource.com/Yemaya-dark-skin-8-statue/productinfo/YEMB/

I probably seem like such a prude. I have no problem with deities being naked where appropriate (for example, Aphrodite, who is rarely depicted clothed) but I think there's a fine line between artistic license, and just....not being very respectful.

Haha, these are too funny!
 
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If there wasn't the bare boob, I'd say cool, finally one not portrayed as 'the Crone'.

That's true, although Hekate is supposed to be a young maiden along the same lines as Artemis, so the fully developed breasts and mature kind of look don't really capture her essence for me.
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Re: Offensive Deity Statues
« Reply #28 on: July 07, 2012, 12:52:02 am »
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I'm always looking around for statues of Norse deities, but while I was searching around I came across this Bast statue: http://www.goddessgift.net/bastet-cat-woman-black-statue-PT-8857.html


I'm more bothered by how the artist is laughing hysterically at historical accuracy.

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While I'm at it, here's one of Herne-as-Fabio: http://www.goddessgift.net/gods-heroes-images/herne-plaque-US-WU75041A4.jpg I'm not going to lie, I kind of like it.


Hair is too girly for me. I'm fine with long hair on a guy, but waist-length on a god of the HUNT? Herne would be tangled up in the bushes faster than you could blink if he doesn't braid that shit. And if you're going for the long-wild-hair look, at least make sure it's 1) WILD, and 2) doesn't look like you condition it every day.

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While I'm at it, here's one of Cernunnos where the artist couldn't seem to decide whether he should have horns or antlers (personally, I think he looks very goat-like): http://www.goddessgift.net/cernunnos-god-statue-US-WU75711A4.html


...When I first saw your comment, I thought it would be a weird "horn/antler" hybrid. I didn't think it would be "horns and antlers at the same time." Forget "offensive to Herne," that's offensive to every self-respecting artist EVER.

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ETA: I just saw this statue of Diana: http://www.goddessgift.net/images/diana-huntress-US-WU74615A4.jpg Why is she naked? Why is there a flower covering her genitals and why does her hair look like it's been dressed for a night on the town?


THAT BOW IS EVIL AND MUST BE KILLED WITH FIRE. It looks like a recurve bow had a fling with a wagon yoke and this was their kid. It's way too thick for its size, and those crazy bends RIGHT before the handle mean that you'd have to draw it like a Japanese yumi to clear ten feet. And that's being generous.

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YMMV, of course, but have you ever found a statue to be offensive?

 
I've been very lucky to not see any offensive statues of the Irish pantheon so far, since I have no space for an altar and wasn't really looking for them anyway. :P
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Re: Offensive Deity Statues
« Reply #29 on: July 07, 2012, 10:14:57 am »
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I quite like the Bast one and it seems appropriate for a goddess connected with sex and pleasure, among other things.


 
Bast isn't really associated with sex and pleasure.  She's a goddess of joy and music, and an avenging Eye of Ra.  Here is a webpage for more information:  http://www.per-bast.org.
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