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Author Topic: Offensive Deity Statues  (Read 28411 times)

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Re: Offensive Deity Statues
« Reply #120 on: February 23, 2013, 06:10:13 pm »
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At first glance, I thought it was a Hindu deity.   Totally don't get Brighid at all!

 
For some reason, I got a Christ/Mary impression. Can't say why, though. The pose, perhaps?
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Re: Offensive Deity Statues
« Reply #121 on: February 23, 2013, 07:10:19 pm »
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It's not really offensive I guess, but this http://www.goddessgift.net/images/Goddess%20Brigid%20Statue%20SS-MBRI-top.jpg is just... I mean does anyone get Brighid from this? At all? The pose is weird, and you have to love the clover tacked on.

And this statue is EVERYWHERE.

 
that's anything but Brighid, it just ... no. :eek: It's also vaguely asian-like.

And here it goes, the less Loki-like figurine ever:

http://www.figuren-shop.de/kulturen-shop/de/Wikinger/Figuren/Loki-Figur::3748.html

It has horns, only so you may parallel to the Devil and there's a dragon for reasons unknown. And what about that scyte?  it's just like something out of a japanese anime, which is kinda a shame because that particular series has a great Odin sculture and an adequate Thor.

But it gets worse when you get to this Odin:
http://www.figuren-shop.de/kulturen-shop/de/Wikinger/Figuren/Odin-Figur-Germanischer-Gott::4488.html

Just ... bad. I have no words. That has nothing to do with Odin

And this Frigga was turned into a valkyrie, with just as much sense as the statue of odalisque-Hera: http://www.figuren-shop.de/kulturen-shop/de/Wikinger/Figuren/Frigga-Figur-Odins-Frau::3923.html

I don't even want imagine Frigga reaction to having this one placed in an eventual shrine to Her.
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Re: Offensive Deity Statues
« Reply #122 on: February 23, 2013, 09:34:16 pm »
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And here it goes, the less Loki-like figurine ever:

http://www.figuren-shop.de/kulturen-shop/de/Wikinger/Figuren/Loki-Figur::3748.html

It has horns, only so you may parallel to the Devil and there's a dragon for reasons unknown. And what about that scyte?  it's just like something out of a japanese anime, which is kinda a shame because that particular series has a great Odin sculture and an adequate Thor.

 
I've seen that one before and I assumed the horns were inspired by Marvel's Loki and his ridiculous overcompensating horns.
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Re: Offensive Deity Statues
« Reply #123 on: February 23, 2013, 09:39:06 pm »
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And here it goes, the less Loki-like figurine ever:

http://www.figuren-shop.de/kulturen-shop/de/Wikinger/Figuren/Loki-Figur::3748.html

It has horns, only so you may parallel to the Devil and there's a dragon for reasons unknown. And what about that scyte?  it's just like something out of a japanese anime, which is kinda a shame because that particular series has a great Odin sculture and an adequate Thor.


I like this statue, but it doesn't look like Loki to me.

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And this Frigga was turned into a valkyrie, with just as much sense as the statue of odalisque-Hera: http://www.figuren-shop.de/kulturen-shop/de/Wikinger/Figuren/Frigga-Figur-Odins-Frau::3923.html


I like this statue, but it doesn't look like Frigga to me.

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Re: Offensive Deity Statues
« Reply #124 on: July 01, 2013, 11:36:47 pm »
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Found this today on eBay and immediately thought of this thread.  It speaks for itself! :eek:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hades-Brother-of-Zeus-And-Poseidon-God-of-Underworld-Famous-Figurine-Statue-Cool-/281057090935?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item41704edd77

 
I literally lost words. Tried to explain to the guys, failed, and they had to come look. I just can't see Hades running a three headed dog fighting ring.

Not exactly a deity statue, per se, (though in UPG) but: http://www.abaxion.com/tf111.htm

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Re: Offensive Deity Statues
« Reply #125 on: July 02, 2013, 02:32:54 am »
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I literally lost words. Tried to explain to the guys, failed, and they had to come look. I just can't see Hades running a three headed dog fighting ring.

Not exactly a deity statue, per se, (though in UPG) but: http://www.abaxion.com/tf111.htm

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Re: Offensive Deity Statues
« Reply #126 on: February 21, 2016, 04:40:22 pm »
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I'm always looking around for statues of Norse deities, but while I was searching around I came across this Bast statue: http://www.goddessgift.net/bastet-cat-woman-black-statue-PT-8857.html

Now, I'm not Kemetic, but this statue just struck me as an attempt to turn Bast into a (literal) sex kitten, and it just comes across as racist and, seriously, look at that sideboob!

While I'm at it, here's one of Herne-as-Fabio: http://www.goddessgift.net/gods-heroes-images/herne-plaque-US-WU75041A4.jpg I'm not going to lie, I kind of like it.

While I'm at it, here's one of Cernunnos where the artist couldn't seem to decide whether he should have horns or antlers (personally, I think he looks very goat-like): http://www.goddessgift.net/cernunnos-god-statue-US-WU75711A4.html

ETA: I just saw this statue of Diana: http://www.goddessgift.net/images/diana-huntress-US-WU74615A4.jpg Why is she naked? Why is there a flower covering her genitals and why does her hair look like it's been dressed for a night on the town?

YMMV, of course, but have you ever found a statue to be offensive?

It's a subjective thing, I think. For example, the pre-christian Greeks and the Romans were not ashamed of nudity, indeed, they celebrated it (in art, at least), but once christianity came, nude statues became vandalized, phallic objects were removed or covered, and so on.
 
What I think of the Bast statue? I like it, even if it's sexualised (because why woudn't I anyway? I'm a straight guy, after all). As to the male deities' statues, I don't really have a strong opinion...the Herne one also looks sexualized, whereas the Cernunnos one just looks badass in my opinion. I can't vouch for accuracy since I don't know what those deities are supposed to look like, but I think it's just a modern/ personalized depiction of the deiteis. And Diana? Her hair's supposed to represent her being a 'civilized' being (as opposed to the barbaric cultures that neighbored the Greeks), while her naked body's supposed to represent her being connected to nature, since she's a goddess of the hunt and all that. The flower on her lap is a mystery to me though...maybe it's a sexual metaphor?

Have I found any deity statues offensive? Yes and no. Again, it's all subjective. For example, I'm not crazy for the classic Greek/ Roman nude male statues (for obvious reasons), but I don't actually find them offensive.

It's said that my ancestors did not make statues of their gods because they considered it sacriligious, and the ones that were found by archeologists were Greek-made. So coming from there, I'd say any statue would be offensive, but since the internet's full of contrasting opinions and sources, I can't be certain.
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Re: Offensive Deity Statues
« Reply #127 on: February 25, 2016, 03:46:00 pm »
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I'm always looking around for statues of Norse deities, but while I was searching around I came across this Bast statue: http://www.goddessgift.net/bastet-cat-woman-black-statue-PT-8857.html

Now, I'm not Kemetic, but this statue just struck me as an attempt to turn Bast into a (literal) sex kitten, and it just comes across as racist and, seriously, look at that sideboob!

While I'm at it, here's one of Herne-as-Fabio: http://www.goddessgift.net/gods-heroes-images/herne-plaque-US-WU75041A4.jpg I'm not going to lie, I kind of like it.

While I'm at it, here's one of Cernunnos where the artist couldn't seem to decide whether he should have horns or antlers (personally, I think he looks very goat-like): http://www.goddessgift.net/cernunnos-god-statue-US-WU75711A4.html

ETA: I just saw this statue of Diana: http://www.goddessgift.net/images/diana-huntress-US-WU74615A4.jpg Why is she naked? Why is there a flower covering her genitals and why does her hair look like it's been dressed for a night on the town?

YMMV, of course, but have you ever found a statue to be offensive?

 
Don't remember any recent (or otherwise) statues to be offensive. Those you mentioned I don't like, and the Bast one is weird, but I don't find it offensive.

Very cool thread, btw. :)
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Re: Offensive Deity Statues
« Reply #128 on: February 27, 2016, 11:15:50 am »
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I'm always looking around for statues of Norse deities, but while I was searching around I came across this Bast statue: http://www.goddessgift.net/bastet-cat-woman-black-statue-PT-8857.html

Now, I'm not Kemetic, but this statue just struck me as an attempt to turn Bast into a (literal) sex kitten, and it just comes across as racist and, seriously, look at that sideboob!

While I'm at it, here's one of Herne-as-Fabio: http://www.goddessgift.net/gods-heroes-images/herne-plaque-US-WU75041A4.jpg I'm not going to lie, I kind of like it.

While I'm at it, here's one of Cernunnos where the artist couldn't seem to decide whether he should have horns or antlers (personally, I think he looks very goat-like): http://www.goddessgift.net/cernunnos-god-statue-US-WU75711A4.html

ETA: I just saw this statue of Diana: http://www.goddessgift.net/images/diana-huntress-US-WU74615A4.jpg Why is she naked? Why is there a flower covering her genitals and why does her hair look like it's been dressed for a night on the town?

YMMV, of course, but have you ever found a statue to be offensive?

 Eh, I don't find them offensive and have never really found statues offensive, even of pagan gods.

I know with the Cernunnos specifically, is the name of the god of Gardnerian Wicca, so I am not surprised he is sexualized there.

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Re: Offensive Deity Statues
« Reply #129 on: February 27, 2016, 12:45:23 pm »
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I know with the Cernunnos specifically, is the name of the god of Gardnerian Wicca, so I am not surprised he is sexualized there.

I'm not a trained Wiccan, but that doesn't match up with what I've heard. Where did you learn that?
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Re: Offensive Deity Statues
« Reply #130 on: February 27, 2016, 04:12:41 pm »
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I know with the Cernunnos specifically, is the name of the god of Gardnerian Wicca, so I am not surprised he is sexualized there.

 
That's...not exactly true, because these here reasons:

1. Cernunnos is actually a Gaulish god. From...about 800 BCE, if I'm remembering correctly. That was obviously before Wicca was even a twinkle in anybody's eye.

2. The names of the gods in Gardinerian Wicca, AFAIK, are oathbound, and I *sincerely* doubt people would just go ahead and give out oathbound information like candy.

3. Cernunnos, being a Gaulish god, actually has different associations from the NeoWiccan Horned God. Liminality, wealth, possibly the Underworld. He is, as far as anybody who knows Gaulish archaeological finds knows, an enigma, but many things can be inferred from the few inscriptions they've found.

4. He has never been depicted with an erect phallus, so his sexualization is kinda moot.

5. He is also not Herne, as Herne originated in South Britain, which is pretty far from Gaul.

6. Yes, Cernunnos means "Horned." Does that mean he is, from a hard/squishy polytheist perspective, the Wiccan Horned God? Nope. Not at all.
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Re: Offensive Deity Statues
« Reply #131 on: February 27, 2016, 04:52:33 pm »
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That's...not exactly true, because these here reasons:

You are exactly the person I thought should be answering that instead of me! Good timing.
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« Reply #132 on: March 07, 2016, 07:51:31 am »
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While I'm at it, here's one of Herne-as-Fabio: http://www.goddessgift.net/gods-heroes-images/herne-plaque-US-WU75041A4.jpg I'm not going to lie, I kind of like it.

While I'm at it, here's one of Cernunnos where the artist couldn't seem to decide whether he should have horns or antlers (personally, I think he looks very goat-like): http://www.goddessgift.net/cernunnos-god-statue-US-WU75711A4.html

YMMV, of course, but have you ever found a statue to be offensive?


Thank you to the participants of this thread for your interesting comments.  I've been thinking of adding some artistic representation / sculpture to my altar in the near future.  Besides giving me some companies to look at more closely, more importantly, you've passed on some ideas as to how I might approach looking for 'art' which is more than just aesthetically pleasing to my personal taste?  It would be great to see more discussion of various representations of male deity here - I'm a noobie so I don't feel at all qualified to discuss the historical aspects of physical representations by the various artists.  (That said, I'm guessing there might be other threads here which do discuss 2- / 3-dimensional artistic pieces?)

Personally, I kinda liked the Herne piece - though I agree with the person who said that doing any amount of running in the woods would get his hair caught up in low-lying branches and bushes!  The two sets of horns on Cernunnos just struck me as a bizarre juxtaposition.

Look forward to more discussion of 'God' pieces... and I'll be sure to post any ones I find along the way that strike me as a tad bid ridiculous (for my taste, that is)!
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Re: Offensive Deity Statues
« Reply #133 on: March 14, 2016, 06:40:30 am »
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2. The names of the gods in Gardinerian Wicca, AFAIK, are oathbound, and I *sincerely* doubt people would just go ahead and give out oathbound information like candy.

I agree hardcore with everything else you've said in that post. And in theory, you should be completely correct here, too. But, my understanding is that there are a few Gardnerian and Alexandrian Wiccans who more or less outright stated that the Horned God spoken of was called Cernunnos when they met for rituals. Doreen Valiente and Stewart Farrar amongst them, and I figure them to be fairly reliable sources about British Traditional Wicca.

Now, whether their conception of Cernunnos matches with what can be inferred from archaeological evidence about the Gaulish cult to the deity is completely different matter. It might just be a completely different deity that happened to be called Cernunnos by its modern worshippers. Or there might be more to Cernunnos than what the Gauls managed to convey. Who knows?

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Re: Offensive Deity Statues
« Reply #134 on: March 14, 2016, 12:50:32 pm »
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It might just be a completely different deity that happened to be called Cernunnos by its modern worshippers. Or there might be more to Cernunnos than what the Gauls managed to convey. Who knows?

 
That's generally what I've been thinking; since Cernunnos does mean "horned" and is also an archeological term of convenience (meaning that, AFAIK, whether or not an image of a horned/antlered figure was found in Gaul, they called it a Cernunnos) it makes sense that that could be A Thing.

Also, if I'm recalling correctly, it's common practice for members of oathbound trads to use false names for their gods.

However, I haven't read much BTW material, so I could also be way off-base here.
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