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Author Topic: Two Paths: Norse and Hellenic?  (Read 4053 times)

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Two Paths: Norse and Hellenic?
« on: July 05, 2011, 05:47:51 pm »
So this is the question that's been bugging me. I don't really have anyone else I can talk to about it, so I hope someone can help me!
I've been a Hellenist for the past two and a half years. Before that, I was a questioning teenager, and I didn't really know what to do with my life and my religious beliefs. At the time I was searching, I was terrified of end-of-the-world tales. Just thinking about it got me depressed, so I shyed away from anything that had a mention of the end of the world.
Because of that, I think I missed out on something amazing. I chose Hellenism, because I had had a strong connection and love for their mythology as a child, AND they didn't have an 'end of the world' myth. I've now heard of the version of the Fifth Age of Humans may one day end because we will prove to Zeus that we are not fit to exist on this earth anymore, but that's a far cry from the fiery destruction I'd heard of before.
But as I was searching, I fell in love with Norse mythology. My heritage is mostly from that part of the world, though it is far back. I loved it, believed it--but then my fear of the end of the world came in and took it away when I read about Ragnarok.
Now today, I feel like I should go through it all again, and possibly give up Hellenism for this, to go back to the Norse Gods and Goddesses. But then I feel bad for searching when the Greek Gods and Goddesses have taken care of me for the past years. I desperately need some help (and I'm sorry for rambling on like I have), and I don't know what to do about it. So...any advice?? :confused:
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Re: Help??
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2011, 05:49:00 pm »
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So...any advice?? :confused:


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Re: Help??
« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2011, 06:59:30 pm »
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I agree with Devo - unless asked to by your deities or unless you're seeking an exclusive priesthood position, there's little reason for you to have to pick one or the other. You can certainly honor and worship the Aesir/Vanir without having to drop the Theoi at the curb. :)
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Re: Two Paths: Norse and Hellenic?
« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2011, 11:53:39 pm »
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So this is the question that's been bugging me. I don't really have anyone else I can talk to about it, so I hope someone can help me!
I've been a Hellenist for the past two and a half years. Before that, I was a questioning teenager, and I didn't really know what to do with my life and my religious beliefs. At the time I was searching, I was terrified of end-of-the-world tales. Just thinking about it got me depressed, so I shyed away from anything that had a mention of the end of the world.
Because of that, I think I missed out on something amazing. I chose Hellenism, because I had had a strong connection and love for their mythology as a child, AND they didn't have an 'end of the world' myth. I've now heard of the version of the Fifth Age of Humans may one day end because we will prove to Zeus that we are not fit to exist on this earth anymore, but that's a far cry from the fiery destruction I'd heard of before.
But as I was searching, I fell in love with Norse mythology. My heritage is mostly from that part of the world, though it is far back. I loved it, believed it--but then my fear of the end of the world came in and took it away when I read about Ragnarok.
Now today, I feel like I should go through it all again, and possibly give up Hellenism for this, to go back to the Norse Gods and Goddesses. But then I feel bad for searching when the Greek Gods and Goddesses have taken care of me for the past years. I desperately need some help (and I'm sorry for rambling on like I have), and I don't know what to do about it. So...any advice?? :confused:

 
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Re: Two Paths: Norse and Hellenic?
« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2011, 03:56:04 am »
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So...any advice??

You don't have to give up Hellenism. You could do what the Romans did and identify the Norse gods with those of their pantheon. For example, Odin is identified as Mercury who is identified as Hermes. In a sense, you already are worshiping a Norse god just under Hellenic name and myth.
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Re: Two Paths: Norse and Hellenic?
« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2011, 02:19:16 pm »
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You don't have to give up Hellenism. You could do what the Romans did and identify the Norse gods with those of their pantheon. For example, Odin is identified as Mercury who is identified as Hermes. In a sense, you already are worshiping a Norse god just under Hellenic name and myth.

 
...That's one way to see it.

I'm of the opinion that the gods are not one and the same with each other. Though the Germanic gods were identified with the Roman gods baaed on function, the comparison didn't take into account familial relationships, origin myths, etc.
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Re: Two Paths: Norse and Hellenic?
« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2011, 05:46:40 pm »
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You could do what the Romans did and identify the Norse gods with those of their pantheon.

You could do a lot of things... doesn't mean you should.

To the OP, you seem clearly interested in worshipping the Norse gods as the Norse gods. In that case, I say go for it.

And don't feel guilty or something about stepping away from the Hellenic pantheon. Everyone grows and changes; nothing is static. And even if you aren't actively working with them, that doesn't mean you can't acknowledge them from time to time in whatever else you do.
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Re: Help??
« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2011, 02:20:26 am »
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I agree with Devo - unless asked to by your deities or unless you're seeking an exclusive priesthood position, there's little reason for you to have to pick one or the other. You can certainly honor and worship the Aesir/Vanir without having to drop the Theoi at the curb. :)

 
This.

There's not much of a reason to drop the Theoi. So long as you properly honor both pantheons and receive no complaints from either side - go for it I say.


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Re: Two Paths: Norse and Hellenic?
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2011, 03:07:17 pm »
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So this is the question that's been bugging me. I don't really have anyone else I can talk to about it, so I hope someone can help me!
I've been a Hellenist for the past two and a half years. Before that, I was a questioning teenager, and I didn't really know what to do with my life and my religious beliefs. At the time I was searching, I was terrified of end-of-the-world tales. Just thinking about it got me depressed, so I shyed away from anything that had a mention of the end of the world.
Because of that, I think I missed out on something amazing. I chose Hellenism, because I had had a strong connection and love for their mythology as a child, AND they didn't have an 'end of the world' myth. I've now heard of the version of the Fifth Age of Humans may one day end because we will prove to Zeus that we are not fit to exist on this earth anymore, but that's a far cry from the fiery destruction I'd heard of before.
But as I was searching, I fell in love with Norse mythology. My heritage is mostly from that part of the world, though it is far back. I loved it, believed it--but then my fear of the end of the world came in and took it away when I read about Ragnarok.
Now today, I feel like I should go through it all again, and possibly give up Hellenism for this, to go back to the Norse Gods and Goddesses. But then I feel bad for searching when the Greek Gods and Goddesses have taken care of me for the past years. I desperately need some help (and I'm sorry for rambling on like I have), and I don't know what to do about it. So...any advice?? :confused:

 
I personally see nothing wrong with worshiping gods from both pantheons. I, myself have been known to do this. I was Hellenic first, too. Then I discovered the Norse gods. I have no Greek ancestry at all, but I'm almost entirely Germanic. It's said that if you have a blood connection to the culture that used to worship these gods, that it will be easier to work magick and/or forge a connection with them.
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Re: Two Paths: Norse and Hellenic?
« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2011, 08:39:28 pm »
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You could do a lot of things... doesn't mean you should.

To the OP, you seem clearly interested in worshipping the Norse gods as the Norse gods. In that case, I say go for it.

And don't feel guilty or something about stepping away from the Hellenic pantheon. Everyone grows and changes; nothing is static. And even if you aren't actively working with them, that doesn't mean you can't acknowledge them from time to time in whatever else you do.

 
Thank you so much!! Your reply is really helpful to me---I don't think, nor do I want, to try and work with the two paths, Hellenist and Nordic all at once. This sounds best, so thank you, again!

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« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2011, 08:42:40 pm »
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I personally see nothing wrong with worshiping gods from both pantheons. I, myself have been known to do this. I was Hellenic first, too. Then I discovered the Norse gods. I have no Greek ancestry at all, but I'm almost entirely Germanic. It's said that if you have a blood connection to the culture that used to worship these gods, that it will be easier to work magick and/or forge a connection with them.

 
I'm the same here, too, almost entirely Germanic, with a bit of Scots-Irish, and no Greek heritage at all. I've heard that before, on a site for Asatru (though it wasn't for magic, it was more along the lines of being already connected, and the religion would better fit me than any other). I think I'm going to try and connect more with the Norse Gods and Goddesses for now, and see if it's something that rings true. Thank you for your response! :)

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Re: Two Paths: Norse and Hellenic?
« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2011, 08:06:11 pm »
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I'm the same here, too, almost entirely Germanic, with a bit of Scots-Irish, and no Greek heritage at all. I've heard that before, on a site for Asatru (though it wasn't for magic, it was more along the lines of being already connected, and the religion would better fit me than any other). I think I'm going to try and connect more with the Norse Gods and Goddesses for now, and see if it's something that rings true. Thank you for your response! :)


Cool!! Good luck to you! I will mention you next time I see the Old Man.
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