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Re: A calling
« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2013, 02:43:52 pm »
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I've noticed some similarities with druidry and wicca.

 
Maybe look into Druidcraft? According to all-mighty Google it was developed by Phillip Carr-Gomm and combines druidry and Wicca. He is also a leader within OBOD.

Here's his book: http://www.amazon.com/DruidCraft-Magic-Druidry-Philip-Carr-Gomm/dp/1482769263/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1371295491&sr=1-2

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Re: A calling
« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2013, 02:45:14 pm »
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Maybe look into Druidcraft?

 
Oh, I should add that I'm not saying this is the tradition your grandmother followed, but perhaps it's a tradition that would fit you?

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Re: A calling
« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2013, 04:04:16 pm »
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Sounds all pretty much 101-book wicca-ish with druid-ish flavor imo.
It could very well be, that the grandmother got her information from some early Wicca off-shots books. I mean, just because she was a grandmother, doesn't mean, she was initiated in some tradition, she might as well have been book-self-taught.

 
Well, and it's important to remember--for those of us who're a little older and had to endure people insisting ten and twenty years ago that they had a grandmother who was Wiccan before Wicca was a thing, or whatever--that these days someone as young as 24 might actually have a grandmother young enough to be influenced by Wicca, because 60-some years ago is...the 1950s.  And it might mean someone finding this little baby movement and tacking it onto/conflating it with her own family traditions--I know my mother glued all kinds of New Age hoohah onto her family witchcraft tradition before transmitting it to me, because that was the popular movement for interpreting this stuff at the time.  Yes, a lot of this sounds like post-1980s neo-Wicca, and also, this is a grandma who lived until 2004 or so, so she might have been doing that neo-Wicca, and passing it on to someone who was, after all, in elementary school in the 1990s.
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Re: A calling
« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2013, 04:26:51 pm »
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Yes, a lot of this sounds like post-1980s neo-Wicca, and also, this is a grandma who lived until 2004 or so, so she might have been doing that neo-Wicca, and passing it on to someone who was, after all, in elementary school in the 1990s.


Exactly. The 80s are not just 20 years ago, no matter how much I always keep thinking this. ;)
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« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2013, 07:22:09 pm »
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Well, and it's important to remember--for those of us who're a little older and had to endure people insisting ten and twenty years ago that they had a grandmother who was Wiccan before Wicca was a thing, or whatever--that these days someone as young as 24 might actually have a grandmother young enough to be influenced by Wicca, because 60-some years ago is...the 1950s.  And it might mean someone finding this little baby movement and tacking it onto/conflating it with her own family traditions--I know my mother glued all kinds of New Age hoohah onto her family witchcraft tradition before transmitting it to me, because that was the popular movement for interpreting this stuff at the time.  Yes, a lot of this sounds like post-1980s neo-Wicca, and also, this is a grandma who lived until 2004 or so, so she might have been doing that neo-Wicca, and passing it on to someone who was, after all, in elementary school in the 1990s.

Actually my grandmother was born in the 20s in Ireland. My mother was born in 49 and didn't have me till she was 40. I am the youngest of 5 and the Closest sibling to me is 13 years older than me. I have a brother and sister both old enough to be my parents and my parents are currently in their 60s.

I know you may not have meant it as such but your post comes off rather sarcastic and rude. Please try to realize that not every person in this era was living in the city during the 80s like others and didn't even get Internet or cell phones or Even a tv until the early 2000s. Yes I'm aware that sounds a bit far fetched but please try to realize that the family I was raised in lives in a state of living equivalent to the early 90s, hence why I as a 24 year old am posting on a cr forum instead of on Facebook or Twitter.

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« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2013, 07:24:41 pm »
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Maybe look into Druidcraft? According to all-mighty Google it was developed by Phillip Carr-Gomm and combines druidry and Wicca. He is also a leader within OBOD.

Here's his book: http://www.amazon.com/DruidCraft-Magic-Druidry-Philip-Carr-Gomm/dp/1482769263/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1371295491&sr=1-2

Thank you FierFlye for this link. This is the sort of guidance I was looking for, a place to look.

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Re: A calling
« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2013, 08:35:16 pm »
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I know you may not have meant it as such but your post comes off rather sarcastic and rude. Please try to realize that not every person in this era was living in the city during the 80s like others and didn't even get Internet or cell phones or Even a tv until the early 2000s. Yes I'm aware that sounds a bit far fetched but please try to realize that the family I was raised in lives in a state of living equivalent to the early 90s, hence why I as a 24 year old am posting on a cr forum instead of on Facebook or Twitter.

 
The point Valentine was making is that the "Learned it from my grandmother" is a thing that has been used a lot in the modern neo-Pagan movement.

Wicca as a religion dates in a coherent form to somewhere in the early 1950s (with bits of it in place before that, but not known outside Gardner's coven.) That means that a *lot* of people out there may have grandmothers who had a folk magic practice, or family practices that fit comfortably under the Pagan umbrella - but those things might or might not be at all related to Wicca, except in the broadest possible sense.

Around here, we tend to be a bit more precise with religious terms (because it makes it easier for people doing similar things to find each other, talk about what they're doing, etc.) and we're attentive to people making statements that can confuse people reading the thread, especially new folks.

What I'm basically saying is, we're a lot more interested in the practices you're interested in, and that calling it 'Wicca' may or may not be useful to you, and calling what your grandmother did 'Wicca' may also not be useful. I don't think any of us can tell from what you've said so far, but what people have been doing is saying "Hey, this is a kind of language that is sort of problematic, and we're seeing things that mean that more clarity would probably help us all out a lot."

I'm curious - you describe your grandmother as Wiccan, and a high priestess. Did she work in a known tradition? Did she have students who continue it? Where did she learn it?

(If she put things together, and it's not continuing, it may be a lot more useful for you to use a term like 'religious witchcraft' or 'folk magic' or something like that, than Wicca. To give you some other ideas of terms. You might also find a page on my website about different ways people use the term Wicca helpful - that's over here: http://gleewood.org/seeking/basics/range-of-uses/ . You may also find other things in that basics section helpful: while it doesn't cover all the terms and ideas common on this forum, it's informed by common practice around here, especially the "Things Pagans don't necessarily have in common" bit.)
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Re: A calling
« Reply #22 on: November 06, 2013, 09:57:09 pm »
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I know you may not have meant it as such but your post comes off rather sarcastic and rude. Please try to realize that not every person in this era was living in the city during the 80s like others and didn't even get Internet or cell phones or Even a tv until the early 2000s. Yes I'm aware that sounds a bit far fetched but please try to realize that the family I was raised in lives in a state of living equivalent to the early 90s, hence why I as a 24 year old am posting on a cr forum instead of on Facebook or Twitter.

 
Sorry, as someone who is only a year older than you and lived out in the middle of nowhere until about a year ago, I have to comment on this. In my experience, location has little to do with how tech savvy one's household is. That's more of a personal preference sort of thing. For example, my grandfather wasn't very good with newer tech, but he tried. My grandmother, on the other hand, only cared about being able to operate the TV. When I was living with them, I was not only up to date tech wise. I was learning to program computers.

So, while I don't know thing one about your family, I'd be willing to bet that there are other factors that caused them to be behind on the times with tech.

As for the Facebook/Twitter thing, that is, again, a matter of personal preference. I, as a 25 year old, post here, because I have never really cared for social networking sites. I'm especially not that fond of Facebook. It's a bit too Big Brother-ish for me these days, and I only use it for games and to check in with my family. Twitter is ok, on occasion, but it's a bit difficult to have conversations on because of the character limit.

That's another thing; different social media platforms have different atmospheres. I can't really speak for Facebook Pagans, because I don't post on FB, but you probably aren't going to have a long, meaningful discussion with anyone on Twitter. That's just not what it was made for. In that vein, forums, in general, are much more conductive to that sort of thing. This forum, specifically, tends to have a lot of thoughtful, informative conversations, which is why I prefer to lurk hangout here, as opposed to other places.

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Re: A calling
« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2013, 02:45:45 am »
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Actually my grandmother was born in the 20s in Ireland. My mother was born in 49 and didn't have me till she was 40. I am the youngest of 5 and the Closest sibling to me is 13 years older than me. I have a brother and sister both old enough to be my parents and my parents are currently in their 60s.

I know you may not have meant it as such but your post comes off rather sarcastic and rude. Please try to realize that not every person in this era was living in the city during the 80s like others and didn't even get Internet or cell phones or Even a tv until the early 2000s. Yes I'm aware that sounds a bit far fetched but please try to realize that the family I was raised in lives in a state of living equivalent to the early 90s, hence why I as a 24 year old am posting on a cr forum instead of on Facebook or Twitter.

 
For Pete's sake, I was defending the plausibility of your claims, and this is just a day after I took a lot of time to address your questions sincerely.  Unfortunately, you've shot my very charitable theory all to hell.

For the record, you're speaking to someone only a few years older than you, who grew up out in the country with very limited access to things like online resources, who also had a small, kind of ragtag and mismatched pagan community to work with.  I didn't have a cell phone until after college (though, I'm going to just say, most people didn't have them when I was in high school, because they were new and expensive technology) or any of that, either.  And I was trying to make sense of your claims by comparing them to my own family's history, where an older tradition got blended with a younger tradition--because New Age and Wicca are both very young traditions.  I know defensiveness is tempting, but people are just trying to understand where you're coming from.
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Re: A calling
« Reply #24 on: November 07, 2013, 03:38:51 am »
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hence why I as a 24 year old am posting on a cr forum instead of on Facebook or Twitter.

 
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« Reply #25 on: November 07, 2013, 05:46:37 am »
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It is a tribute to my grandmother who came from Ireland just before marrying her husband.


It's nice to honor your grandmother. But this is not the function of the country flag feature on TC.

The Cauldron is an international forum, don't know how much you've already looked around, but when you do, you will realize we have people from the USA, Canada, Germany, UK, South America, Australia and even more exotic places.

The country flags help us to know several things: Is English the posters first language. If it's not, it might explain something we misunderstood. What cultural background is the person most likely to have? When they are most likely to be online and so on.

So this is not a warning or anything staff-like, just an information how things work here and we'd really prefer it, if you changed the country flag to your actual location.

When people see it and assume you are in Ireland, and not reading the posts you mention that you're not, they might make some useless suggestions to your problem, like refering you to Irish groups and resources.
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« Reply #26 on: November 07, 2013, 08:54:29 am »
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The Cauldron is an international forum, don't know how much you've already looked around, but when you do, you will realize we have people from the USA, Canada, Germany, UK, South America, Australia and even more exotic places.


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« Reply #27 on: November 07, 2013, 08:56:36 am »
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...does that mean I get to be exotic? :D

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Of course! ;)
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Re: A calling
« Reply #28 on: November 07, 2013, 06:20:50 pm »
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So, off-topic: why do you sport the Irish flag then in your profile? People will assume you are in Ireland, which can be pretty confusing.

 
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Thank you got the link. I don't really know how to describe it as I was taught by my grandmother and she never mentioned a specific name. And she died in my early teen years. I've been trying to do some research and having so much trouble as there are literally no groups near to me that I could sit down with and talk to. She taught me all of her rituals and beliefs and I inherited her book of shadows when she died, and using that I've noticed some similarities with druidry and wicca. We follow the sabbats and worship the Lord and Lady. Mostly focus on the triple goddess except during yule and such where the Lord plays more of a part. It's just so complicated and I'm running off of teachings that I was taught growing up and into my early teens and haven't had any other influence since.

 
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Well, and it's important to remember--for those of us who're a little older and had to endure people insisting ten and twenty years ago that they had a grandmother who was Wiccan before Wicca was a thing, or whatever--that these days someone as young as 24 might actually have a grandmother young enough to be influenced by Wicca, because 60-some years ago is...the 1950s.  And it might mean someone finding this little baby movement and tacking it onto/conflating it with her own family traditions--I know my mother glued all kinds of New Age hoohah onto her family witchcraft tradition before transmitting it to me, because that was the popular movement for interpreting this stuff at the time.  Yes, a lot of this sounds like post-1980s neo-Wicca, and also, this is a grandma who lived until 2004 or so, so she might have been doing that neo-Wicca, and passing it on to someone who was, after all, in elementary school in the 1990s.

 
Hi, as someone sitting in Ireland right now I was gonna suggest some Wicca resources for you in Ireland when I saw the flag so it definitely confused me. (and slightly disappointed me XD I like seeing other Irish TCers XD)

Gotta agree with Valentine though.
If your grandmother was exposed to Wicca it was during its fledgling stage in Ireland (I have a few friends from near that era myself XD ) and it's likely most of what she could have learned may have been within a coven format-likely Alexandrian since that seems to be the most prevalent style of Wicca at that time as far as I'm aware or the neo-Wicca book format.
It likely wouldn't be any kind of mystical Irish tradition anyway :D (Don't even get me started on that stuff XD XD XD)

I'd say maybe try and see how much of your grandmother's stuff matches up with Alexandrian Tradition stuff for a start if you wanna try take it further :)
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