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God/desses and Capitalization
« on: June 30, 2012, 04:54:21 pm »
Hello there! :D:

So, as per usual I was searching around on the thread, and noticed that some people capitalize both the name(s) of their god/desses, and the third person pronouns tied into the sentences (e.g. I follow Odin. I love Him and all of His principles...). Personally, I don't do this, even for the Christian Yahweh. The god/desses I follow have never shown any preference for it. But I'm curious. Do you do this? If so, what is you're reasoning behind it? If not, why don't you?
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Re: God/desses and Capitalization
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2012, 05:20:05 pm »
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Hello there! :D:

So, as per usual I was searching around on the thread, and noticed that some people capitalize both the name(s) of their god/desses, and the third person pronouns tied into the sentences (e.g. I follow Odin. I love Him and all of His principles...). Personally, I don't do this, even for the Christian Yahweh. The god/desses I follow have never shown any preference for it. But I'm curious. Do you do this? If so, what is you're reasoning behind it? If not, why don't you?

 
I do capitalize the pronouns most of the time (at least while writing about my religion, not while simply discussing the Gods as mythological characters). The deities I honor also have never shown any preference, it just seems like a natural thing for me to do.

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« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2012, 05:41:39 pm »
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Do you do this? If so, what is you're reasoning behind it? If not, why don't you?

I capitalize the pronouns as a way of showing respect.
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Re: God/desses and Capitalization
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2012, 05:47:35 pm »
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Do you do this? If so, what is you're reasoning behind it? If not, why don't you?

 
Quote from: Aster Breo;62287
I capitalize the pronouns as a way of showing respect.

 
I usually do it, just as Aster says - it's a way of showing respect, in that 'They' are different and above the normal 'they'

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Re: God/desses and Capitalization
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2012, 05:54:07 pm »
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Do you do this? If so, what is you're reasoning behind it? If not, why don't you?

 
I really have a strong dislike of the Christian religion, and the more i watch documentaries about it, and read up on it, and watch things like the god debate, i lose more respect for it. So, in order to piss Christians off, I like to type god lowercase. However, I don't treat my gods the same. Names usually are uppercase, pronouns lowercase.
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Re: God/desses and Capitalization
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2012, 06:39:24 pm »
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IMO, the capitalization of pronouns associated with deity comes mostly from our cultural familiarity with that way of doing things via the KJV translation of the Bible. (Yes, I capitalize the B. It's respectful, just as with the Koran/Quran.) It may well predate that. I'm not a scholar in any field that would lend credence to my opinion--it's just that, my opinion, based on what I've seen and experienced.

With that said: I follow what I find to be the norm in the culture I'm dealing with. Tibetan deities (those that have been absorbed into Tibetan Buddhism--Buddhism itself is entirely nontheistic, and a philosophy rather than a religion) are written with initial capitals, but pronouns are lowercased in the materials I've found, so that's what I do. The Indian and Chinese deities' names are also written with initial capitals (Chenrezig, Avalokiteshvara, Kwan Yin). When I have reason to write about YHVH (or however I'm referring to Him at the time), I do what I did, just then; I capitalize the third-person pronouns, because that's how it's traditionally done in Biblical translations I've dealt with.

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Re: God/desses and Capitalization
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2012, 07:16:58 pm »
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But I'm curious. Do you do this? If so, what is you're reasoning behind it? If not, why don't you?

I generally do capitalize pronouns referring to deities, simply because I consider them every bit as important and as real as the JCI God. As pronouns referring to the JCI God are capitalized in standard English, I feel they should either be for all gods or no gods -- so I capitalize them for all.
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« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2012, 07:55:35 am »
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I capitalize the pronouns as a way of showing respect.

 
This. I have always used capitals to address Them. It's a sign of respect for me and a way to set Them apart from mortals.
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Re: God/desses and Capitalization
« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2012, 10:27:03 am »
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Hello there! :D:

So, as per usual I was searching around on the thread, and noticed that some people capitalize both the name(s) of their god/desses, and the third person pronouns tied into the sentences (e.g. I follow Odin. I love Him and all of His principles...). Personally, I don't do this, even for the Christian Yahweh. The god/desses I follow have never shown any preference for it. But I'm curious. Do you do this? If so, what is you're reasoning behind it? If not, why don't you?


I do..  it's polite, and shows respect.  :)  
But it's not expected of me... I don't think...  it just sort-of comes "naturally".  
Well, I think it does, perhaps it's not, I dunno!  You got me thinking now...! :confused:
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Re: God/desses and Capitalization
« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2012, 11:18:25 am »
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Hello there! :D:

So, as per usual I was searching around on the thread, and noticed that some people capitalize both the name(s) of their god/desses, and the third person pronouns tied into the sentences (e.g. I follow Odin. I love Him and all of His principles...). Personally, I don't do this, even for the Christian Yahweh. The god/desses I follow have never shown any preference for it. But I'm curious. Do you do this? If so, what is you're reasoning behind it? If not, why don't you?

 
I capitalize Their pronouns. It shows respect, and it shows that They are different from -- and greater than -- mortals.

And I'm not going to lie -- it drives me nuts when other people consistently don't capitalize pronouns for the gods. I wouldn't presume to tell others what to do, but I silently grind my teeth every time I see a lowercase pronoun for a god or goddess. (Don't even get me started on not bothering to do initial capitals on Their names.)
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« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2012, 05:25:44 pm »
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I do..  it's polite, and shows respect.  :)  
But it's not expected of me... I don't think...  it just sort-of comes "naturally".  
Well, I think it does, perhaps it's not, I dunno!  You got me thinking now...! :confused:


Sometimes I do it and other times I don't, it puts me in mind of my Catholic upbringing, and sometimes I feel that by doing it, I'm replicating the same "pattern" when I've spent so much time trying to get away from it.

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« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2012, 05:58:41 pm »
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I usually do it, just as Aster says - it's a way of showing respect, in that 'They' are different and above the normal 'they'

 
Seconding this. When I write in a hurry, I might let the capitalization go  but as a general rule, it feels right to differentiate. I can enjoy a more 'familiar' connection with a few deities but that doesn't mean They are not Other. We are not equals and it doesn't feel demeaning to admit that - I am a divine spark, but They are the fire to that spark and I honor Them because of that. At the same time... it doesn't feel right with the Christian Father god (even I just made an exception:p).

I rationally believe that Randall is right but then... call it pettiness, call it keeping score, or something else but it's like by using capital letters with that I would be pledging an alliance I don't feel. I do recognize it's probably silly, yet...:ashamed:
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Re: God/desses and Capitalization
« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2012, 06:12:47 pm »
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Hello there! :D:
 Do you do this? If so, what is you're reasoning behind it? If not, why don't you?


Sometimes. Some of my Catholic past comes up with it and some nuns were not shy about stating their opinions of why other Gods do not deserve capitals which I found rather off putting. And I've worked with grammar and usage vipers who let themselves be offended by these kinds of details.  Part of me loves that people care about these things, but I have also seen people diminish others for not holding these usage guidelines to the same degree of importance (a lower case G could earn a kid a smack back in the day).

I try and will continue to be mindful (I know I slip up) when replying to a post, to use the example set by the OP. But is is more out of respect for the OP than the Gods. When I do slip up, it is never meant to be offensive.

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Re: God/desses and Capitalization
« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2012, 06:20:49 pm »
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Hello there! :D:

So, as per usual I was searching around on the thread, and noticed that some people capitalize both the name(s) of their god/desses, and the third person pronouns tied into the sentences (e.g. I follow Odin. I love Him and all of His principles...). Personally, I don't do this, even for the Christian Yahweh. The god/desses I follow have never shown any preference for it. But I'm curious. Do you do this? If so, what is you're reasoning behind it? If not, why don't you?


Been thinking about this one a few days now.

If it is a proper name, regardless of how I may feel about the god / goddess in question, then I tend to capitalize it.  Thus I'd capitalize the Christian God just as quickly as i'd capitalize Hecate / Hekate.

Pronouns differ a bit for me though.  If I use the pronoun in a paragraph where I have already identified the god / goddess then I usually capitalize it.  Yet if it is generically pointed to an unidentifed group then I tend not to capitalize it, unless I want to make it stand out as an identified yet unknown persona.

I also find I tend to capitalize unknownable concepts such as Spirit, Gitchie Manitou, Great Spirit, etc that are more than gods / goddesses to the cultures that use them.  Yet they can also serve in the place of gods / goddesses outside of those culture's.  For instance if I am referring to Spirit as a devine force and body I capitalize it.  Yet if it is spirit as in some facet of the soul then I tend not to capitalize such.
 
I can't say any of the gods / goddesses I follow and am sworn to have said to capitalize their names or pronouns that pertain to them in writing.  Yet education wise it influences me heavily.  Thus gods / goddesses in thier historical or spiritual facet I'll capitalize yet if I am speaking of them in a mythological facet I may or may not depending upon the focus I intend to take with the item being written.

About the only exception to this is if I get in a hurry and get messy in my grammar.  Saddly that mainly happens on message boards because I tend to get lazy in grammar and type with entering before I look it over closely.  Spelling wise now that is something different that has gotten worse over the years, especially after hitting my head.

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Re: God/desses and Capitalization
« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2012, 03:19:17 am »
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I capitalize Their pronouns. It shows respect, and it shows that They are different from -- and greater than -- mortals.

And I'm not going to lie -- it drives me nuts when other people consistently don't capitalize pronouns for the gods. I wouldn't presume to tell others what to do, but I silently grind my teeth every time I see a lowercase pronoun for a god or goddess. (Don't even get me started on not bothering to do initial capitals on Their names.)

--drily-- I apologize for being one of those people that will inevitably make you grind your teeth :ange: I'll share my reasons why I don't do it. It's mostly two big ones. The first one is that it just became a habit when I stopped following the Christian God (I do though, as you can see, capitalize names/titles). Minor rebellion if you will, though I have long gotten over that pettiness. But it was the beginning.

The other reason, and also the biggest one (and I don't know if it's like this for any other people) is that capital letters are like a neon sign to me. Maybe that was one of the reasons people (way back when) began to capitalize a god/dess's pronouns like that? :confused: Anyways, to me a capitalized word or two (such as names, places etc.) in a paragraph is fine, and it shows the proper emphasis. However the problem with pronouns is that when they show up, there are usually quite a few of them. So when I read or write something that has that many capital letters in one paragraph, that little flag that goes off in my head each time, and then what the person is trying to say, or even what I am trying to write, becomes really jerky when I'm reading it in my mind (It sort of ends up being like: I really like PAUSE to talk about STOP random things PAUSE to people STOP I don't know :p). I can't count the number of times I've had to reread a passage because I lost my train of thought noticing all the little capitalized words. I really think it has something to do with the ADD I swear I have >.>
 
So really, I don't do it myself for purely selfish reasons. It's not that I don't respect the god/desses, I really do. It personally just short-circuits my brain :p

Is it like this for anyone else? I kinda feel like a weirdo now... :o
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